“3 Loss” Malzahn
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Scott Frost would manage to score more than 14 points with this roster on offense at Home.
Yeah we play our best when ball is spread around more. Im not sure why it’s become the, throw it to Baker every time no matter what gameplan. NFL teams that do that struggle to win when it counts.
There is a large talent disparity between UCF and Navy. Virtually everyone is available and playing, team doesn't have injuries as an excuse. Last home game for the season after having a big win on the road.
What I did see was Navy needing to convert short yardage situations, and the defense doesn't line up under center and literally giving Navy first downs. Reminded me of Brady QB sneaks when he saw defenses not lining up in time, but UCF was actually purposely doing it. Offensive play calling that doesn't attack Navy weaknesses and moving away from play calling that worked early on.
Everyone said Heupel couldn't win unless he could rely on big talent advantage. Malzahn and Co. can't even do that. Navy coaches has schooled them twice.
Navy had 0% chance of getting a first down if they got a negative play or penalty. Then they gave up a couple possessions trying to pass. They gave UCF so many chances.
LMAO. Y’all are the literal definition of entitle brats
Paid my money and cheered in person yesterday getting sunburnt. Wife couldn’t go.
No one that I head in the stands were all angsty about your entitlements to undefeated seasons.
Paid my money and cheered in person yesterday getting sunburnt. Wife couldn’t go.
No one that I head in the stands were all angsty about your entitlements to undefeated seasons.
I had 9-3 down as my prediction at beginning of season. We all know we have some growing to do in QBing and LBing. Inconsistent playing in these areas and yes I was not impressed with some of Gus’ play calling during the Navy blitzing. Draws? More screens? What happened to the long ball plays like the one Okeefe couldn’t hold onto. Not surprisingly we’re not at that higher level yet. More quality LBing and TC at QB next season will help. Remember where our kicking game and OL was at when we started. Definitely improved there.
That's cause most of them probably haven't been around long enough to witness UCF falling flat on their faces when a big win is served on their silver platters.
We will be bottom feeders in the Big 12 with Gus, book it. He can’t even win in a horrible AAC.
And of course he loves it, he said it himself that there’s no pressure like in Auburn
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Maybe, but he was being paid more than double what Gus is making. He will get us comfortably into the Big XII and when the money starts flowing we can upgrade. It’s a process.
1994 graduate here, Gus will lose the Knights more games than he will actually win.
I beg to differ. Almost every team has one or more bad losses once you get out of the top 15. Even several teams in 10-15 have bad losses. Many QBs with “it” still have bad losses. I would agree a team could be elite without a QB that doesn’t have “it” but It’s rare. Once you leave the top 15, the bad losses start to accumulate and that’s the way the sport is every year. There are very few teams that are legitimately elite each year. We don’t have a QB with “it” so I never had expectations of us winning 12 games or more this season. We could still have a very good (10-11 wins) or good year (8-9 wins). We’ll see. This is also not some kind of argument for losing to Navy. Abysmal loss but let’s see what the team is made of next week.
I’ll just start with this weeks CFI top 15:
1. #7 Clemson lost to now 8-3 Notre Dame.
2. #9 Tennessee lost to now 7-4 South Carolina.
3. #12 Washington lost to now 8-3 UCLA and now 3-8 Az State.
4. #13 Notre Dame lost to now 7-4 Marshall and now 3-8 Stanford
5. #14 Utah lost to now 6-5 UF and now 8-3 UCLA.
6. #15 K State lost to 7-4 Texas.
#1 Georgia has Stetson. Elite numbers
#2 Ohio State has CJ Stroud. Elite numbers
#3 Michigan has JJ McCarthy. This is not an elite kid. 1950 yds with 14 TDs against 2 picks. He definitely hasn’t hurt them but he also has not had to carry them. Michigan has played 11 games, with 8 at home. Their OOC games (all at home) were Colorado St, Hawaii and UConn…weak as F (11-24). The combined record of the big ten teams they have played so far is 45-43. We all know of those 45 wins there are a bunch of FCS, MAC, MWC and CUSA wins in there (probably not against the better teams in those leagues). Other than Penn State (9-2), 7-4 is the best team they have played. They did crush Penn State 41-17 but the QB was only 17/24 for 145 yds with 0 TDs and 1 pick. They ran for over 400 yds. My guess is they get their ass kicked at Ohio State this weekend, unless they can have that kind of rushing game. Michigan also has the #1 defense.
#4 TCU has Max Duggan. Elite numbers
#5 USC has Caleb Williams. Elite numbers
#6 LSU has Jayden Daniels. Doesn’t have elite passing numbers but has 15 TDs against 2 picks, and has run for 740 yds and 11 TDs. Combined that is elite.
#7 Clemson has Uiagalelei. Not elite but close, 21 TDs against 5 picks, and 496 yds and 6 TDs on the ground.
#8 Bama has Bryce Young. Elite numbers
#9 Tenn had Hooker. Elite numbers
#10 Oregon has Bo Nix. Elite numbers passing, also with 509 yds rushing and 14 TDs. I did not realize he was having this good of a year.
So basically, for the current top 10, there are 8 guys you can easily see having elite numbers, 1 above average but not elite, and the other is a little better than average. You would expect that at this point because elite QBs usually lead you to wins that would put you in the top 10. For the two guys not elite, Mich has a top 5 defense and running attack. Clemson has the #25 defense and #46 rushing attack.
As you go down the rankings the QBs generally get worse, but even one’s that might be very good are on teams that have other issues.
Looking at Plumlee (who has the majority of our games played), I would consider him a very average QB (2200 yds with 12 TDs against 7 picks), with elite running ability (715 yds and 9 TDs).
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Actually, if you look at the majority of teams, they mostly do have a bad loss in there somewhere.
It sounds like we would like to take Mikey and JRP and meld them together and we would then have a QB with the "it" factor. Sounds like Milton.
Castellanos is a mixture of JRP and Mikey. I think he may have the “it” factor as well.
We really don’t know yet if he has those qualities that will set him apart… mainly, the ability to read a defense, and throwing while under pressure. Very few QBs have those qualities together, so only time will tell whether he does.
It’s not possible to play QB with any consistency at this level when you haven’t played the position in 3 years. Gus probably threw this season away when he named him the starter, but what was the alternative? Blow a redshirt for TC? Start Mikey, who was better at some things but worse at others and doesn’t have a future here? If the QB position isn’t solid, and it isn’t, then 8-3 is probably as good as we could’ve hoped for.
Keene improved a lot from last year and could’ve made a difference, but it’s impossible to say for sure. He has no escapability and when the other team plans for him they bring the house. We just don’t have a complete quarterback.
Keene improved a lot from last year and could’ve made a difference, but it’s impossible to say for sure. He has no escapability and when the other team plans for him they bring the house. We just don’t have a complete quarterback.
Do your really think JRP would have escaped some of those rushes that came at Mikey through our pourus line and no one blocking the edges? I don't know of any QBs who would have escaped under those circumstances. Absolutely no blocking results in sacks and turnovers. That being said, you are right, we don't have a complete QB.
Pretty much all the sacks were immediate untouched blindside pressure not coverage sacks. Some QBs like Mahomes or Bryce Young can maybe elude that. And we kept running deep patterns rather than quick hitters or runs to beat the pressure.
So next year will probably be a new QB starting potentially one that has only played a couple snaps, isn't that essentially throwing away next year too?
It will be JRP. Thats why he didn’t come out as a Senior last week.
I don’t understand why there isn’t a quick outlet pass as an option incase blitz is coming. (Like all other teams run). Every team we have played has killed us when we blitzed with a short crossing route or tight end short route.
Between Gus’s offensive play calling/scheme and NO qb who can look past his 1st option, this will continue to be a struggle.
Between Gus’s offensive play calling/scheme and NO qb who can look past his 1st option, this will continue to be a struggle.
Wondering the same. ECU destroyed us doing exactly that and I don’t feel like their receivers outclass ours.
Play design was having Keene fake the handoff. Given the instant pressure he had no time to even identify the quick option much less get a throw off. Against pressure like that you can’t really afford to the RPO handoff fake. We needed to give it off on some of those handoffs to keep the defense honest. Not sure if that was Keene misreading on the RPO or if those were designed run fakes.
Historically, Miami, (and FSU for that matter) recruiting is notorious for bringing in large numbers of very highly rated skill players, WRs, DBs and RBs each year, while signing an under-representation of guys who play in the trenches. The net result of this is highly rated recruiting classes and very low performing teams on the field. To be honest, this is not actually good recruiting as it doesn't address true team needs.
From all appearances, Gus does not take this approach to recruiting. He does not commit an excessive amount of scholarships to any one position group in order to bolster recruiting class numbers. Also, he brings in players, whether high school or portal, to address the pressing team needs. I agree that we should not follow the Miami recruiting example. When I mention "good recruiting", I am referring to high quality balanced recruiting across all position groups that include current team needs. Anything less is not good recruiting, regardless of how the "experts" may rank a recruiting class.
Not all but some. In some cases a quick first step avoids the rush and can open up a huge running lane
At Auburn he was 3 loss Malzahn, here its 4 loss Malzahn. Don’t underestimate his ability to screw this game up.
No. I think you’re missing the point. JRP literally did not play the position the last 2 seasons. Whoever starts next season will be a full-time qb regardless of how many game snaps they’ve taken. And if it’s TC you will be building a foundation with a RS freshman. RRP is most likely a one-off.
It would be nice to get more consistency. For most of the years with GOL it was a good year and a down year. Recruiting is much better now I guess the transfer portal will determine what next year has in store
Not a chance. Malzahn can pick up his customary fourth loss in the AAC Championship Game, which technically counts toward the regular season.
That would be a failure of a year as well. Need to win AAC in this down year for conference.
Watching Gus as a play caller for a couple seasons now it seems like he's constantly trying to break tendencies and surprise defensive coordinators by going against the conventional thought of what is coming. So when you hit a big play with Keene throwing the ball downfield -- he calls a designed run for the immobile Keene next play. When you've got Plumlee and the running backs gaining 7 yards per play running -- he calls a reverse end around WR pass. When it works you look like a genius, but more often than not you're just getting away from what your guys do best and killing momentum. Against teams that you should be dominating in 1 on 1 battles talent-wise, just line up and keep beating them with your best cards.
I have often heard it said, "keep doing it until they stop it," or "if it ain't broke don't fix it."
This just a question. Often coaches' payouts are reduced if the coach finds new work. If that's the case with Gus, his $22 million buyout is reduced by his ucf salary of (rounding) $2 million. If that's the case (and it may not be), if we paid him a few million more, his "take home" pay would be about the same. Anyone know if that's the case with Gus?
That loss to Navy was tough to handle but I felt it coming. I don't think the loss to Navy was a QB problem. It was an O-line problem. Not many holes to run through and very little to no time for the QB to throw. We are close to having a great team but still not there. I hope we can recruit bigger and faster players in the Big12 as well as the transfer portal.
No. Gus's buyout from Auburn is unaffected by pay at a new school. UCF was able to get Gus for pennies on the dollar for this reason. In fact, his salary at UCF matches his salary when he took Auburn to the BCS National Championship Game in 2013.
We gashed them on the run for over 6 per carry. We ran it 18 times and dropped back to pass 38 times.
