2020 Democrat hopefuls

[DaShuckster]

I think it's far more complex than that. Hillary - with all of warts - was as mainstream/centrist of a candidate as the Democrats could have put up, and she got beat.

Hillary's loss had diddily-squat to do with her centrist politics. She lost because: 1) she was so unlikable that Trump seemed like a legitimate, "oh, what the hell" alternative; and 2) she ran a horrible campaign.

The reason I don't underestimate a Bernie/Warren in the General is that economic populism in a General election in 2020 America is going to be far more popular than talking heads realize right now. Much of that populism undercuts Trump's populist appeal, and fleshes out a clear set of ideas against Trump's total vacuum of ideas. It will be really fascinating if it happens.

I'm not underestimating Warren's populist appeal either. It's hard to imagine any of the Democrat candidates losing to Trump. But that said, the Rust Belt States voters who will ultimately decide the election will have to be convinced that a "socialist" like Warren or Sanders is more scary than four more years of batsh*t crazy Trump. It's not even an issue when Trump is compared to Buttigieg or Biden.

 

[fried-chicken]

Trump was unknown. I remember in 2016 a lot of people said, of he won't actually do the stuff he says its all for show. He still got 3,000,000 fewer votes.

Now that he's a known shit head that's leading a party who's taken a beating at every election since he came to power I think its pretty clear that people who are engaged have decided against him and warren is the best path to victory because her policy will excite and motivate people who aren't engaged. Biden can't motivate the disengaged voter.

 

[DaShuckster]

warren is the best path to victory because her policy will excite and motivate people who aren't engaged. Biden can't motivate the disengaged voter.

Under normal circumstances, I would agree with your assessment. However, don't underestimate how engaged the typically-disengaged voter will be this coming election to get rid of Trump.

 

[fried-chicken]

The last 4 years a lot of baby boomers have died and a lot of gen-z have turned 18. Gen Z are the most politically aware generation and their ideas are mostly progressive. They are going to agree with Warren on climate change which is an issue they have almost universal support for. In 2018 the youth vote was up 42%.

Trump won a few key states by slim margins but he had a lot of advantages that he won't have in 2020

 

[fried-chicken]

Under normal circumstances, I would agree with your assessment. However, don't underestimate how engaged the typically-disengaged voter will be this coming election to get rid of Trump.

I'm talking almost exclusively about youth voters. They don't identify with one political part or another but their ideas are aligned with Warren. She will share their ideology.

 

[UCFknights123]

I’ve already written Warren and Biden off as dominating Trump in the polls but having low turnout numbers and it being super close. Same old, same old, they appeal heavily to the core dems and that’s about it.

Pete, I’m really not sure on. I thought him and Beto were the same person until last week.

If Yang could win the nomination I think he’d have the easiest time beating Trump, but he’s going to have a lot harder time winning the primary.

 

[DaShuckster]

Pete, I’m really not sure on. I thought him and Beto were the same person until last week.

er..what?

Okay, I guess they were both non-senior citizen, white males.

 

[UCFknights123]

Okay, I guess they were both non-senior citizen, white males.

I don’t see race, they blended together. Although I now realize Beto was the one who thought taking everyone’s guns was a good campaign platform and Pete didn’t.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Democratic candidates for 2020= Unelectable

People are going to stay home on Election Day and all the Trumpsters will show up

The left wing radical democratic candidates are too scary to the average American voter.

People don’t care about the Ukraine. They care about healthcare, taxes, gas prices, illegal immigration, the economy, safety, etc

 

[UCFKnight85]

I'm talking almost exclusively about youth voters. They don't identify with one political part or another but their ideas are aligned with Warren. She will share their ideology.

this just in: delusional liberal thinks socialist minded youth voters will turn out in masses to vote

signed,

Every liberal since 1950

 

[goodknightfl]

Democratic hopefuls all know Epstein did not commit suicide.

 

[DaShuckster]

People don’t care about the Ukraine. They care about healthcare...

Speaking of healthcare, when is Trump going to reveal the 'beautiful' plan he campaigned under in 2016 that will replace Obamacare with something 'so much better.'

Talk about delusional voters.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Democratic candidates for 2020= Unelectable

People are going to stay home on Election Day and all the Trumpsters will show up

The left wing radical democratic candidates are too scary to the average American voter.

People don’t care about the Ukraine. They care about healthcare, taxes, gas prices, illegal immigration, the economy, safety, etc

You wish. Nobody is staying home in 2020. There will probably be close to 150M voters.

 

[UCFBS]

this just in: delusional liberal thinks socialist minded youth voters will turn out in masses to vote
signed, Every liberal since 1950

Makes for great US Media ratings, but it's also backfiring. I think we've been headed in this direction since the '90s, when Congress tore down the walls preventing huge media conglomerates.

That's why our parties are jokes. We're being run by US Media ratings, not what is important. Even Trump, a Reality TV Star, has been the ultimate for the US Media business.

 

[UCFBS]

You wish. Nobody is staying home in 2020. There will probably be close to 150M voters.

I'm not staying home. But as of right now, I'm likely not going to vote for any of the nutjobs of either party.

Biden is also out for me.

 

[UCFWayne]

im still holding out hope that hillary decides to run again.

 

[UCFBS]

im still holding out hope that hillary decides to run again.

She doesn't have to run ... she just has to keep flapping about the Russians, vast right-wing conspiracy theories and other things and how a woman can't win the White House. Even many of the ladies I know are sick of that last one.

 

[Boosted87]

You wish. Nobody is staying home in 2020. There will probably be close to 150M voters.

Yea I think yesterday's election in Kentucky was interesting. The Republican incumbant lost even though he got something like 200,000 more votes than last election. Turnout went from 30% to like 45%.

 

[Crazyhole]

Yea I think yesterday's election in Kentucky was interesting. The Republican incumbant lost even though he got something like 200,000 more votes than last election. Turnout went from 30% to like 45%.

I heard that literally every seat in Kentucky was on the ballot. Is that typical? If not, it would explain why turnout was so high.

 

[Crazyhole]

I think that at this point there is only one slam-dunk opponent for the dems against Trump: Michelle Obama. Everyone else is no better than a tossup.

 

[Boosted87]

Hillary's loss had diddily-squat to do with her centrist politics. She lost because: 1) she was so unlikable that Trump seemed like a legitimate, "oh, what the hell" alternative; and 2) she ran a horrible campaign.


I'm not underestimating Warren's populist appeal either. It's hard to imagine any of the Democrat candidates losing to Trump. But that said, the Rust Belt States voters who will ultimately decide the election will have to be convinced that a "socialist" like Warren or Sanders is more scary than four more years of batsh*t crazy Trump. It's not even an issue when Trump is compared to Buttigieg or Biden.

Yea I generally agree with you. There's comfort in a generic democrat because in theory Trump excites the base for you. To that end I agree Biden or Mayor Pete beat Trump in a way that makes the mainstream feel comfortable. The attacks will come regardless and I'm mostly convinced that any Democrat will be marketed as a socialist from the right.

That said, I think the "rust belt" is exactly where populist appeal is going to be the strongest. I think she'll win back more of those lost voters in that region that a centrist would. Those voters may have lost faith in Trump but I also don't know how eager they are to return to the status quo created the issues they're dealing with.

 

[Ucfmikes]

You wish. Nobody is staying home in 2020. There will probably be close to 150M voters.

We heard that in 2016. Then everyone said that they would rather vote for nobody

 

[Ucfmikes]

I'm not staying home. But as of right now, I'm likely not going to vote for any of the nutjobs of either party.

Biden is also out for me.

That’s fine. That’s how trump will win. Again

 

[Ucfmikes]

Speaking of healthcare, when is Trump going to reveal the 'beautiful' plan he campaigned under in 2016 that will replace Obamacare with something 'so much better.'

Talk about delusional voters.

Medicare for all!!! Weeeeeeee!!!

We had a plan, but the TDS Democrats nixed it.

Additionally, now that John McCain isn’t around, maybe we can pass one

 

[DaShuckster]

We had a plan, but the TDS Democrats mixes it.

Really? I must have missed hearing about it.

Additionally, now that John McCain isn’t around, maybe we can pass one

The only thing McCain did is STOP the Republicans from killing Obamacare (and with it, insurance protections for people with preexisting conditions).

Not once did I hear what Trump's 'beautiful' health care replacement was going to be once he took office.

One would think that in order to protect everyone's health insurance Trump and his Republican Congress would have crafted a healthcare plan that, if passed, replaced what we have now instead of simply killing Obamacare and saying 'trust us, we'll get you something better...um, down the road.'​

 

[firm_bizzle]

We heard that in 2016. Then everyone said that they would rather vote for nobody

Nobody said that in 2016. Those were possibly the worst candidates in American history and still more people voted than ever (barely).

 

[UCFKnight85]

Really? I must have missed hearing about it.

The only thing McCain did is STOP the Republicans from killing Obamacare (and with it, insurance protections for people with preexisting conditions).

Not once did I hear what Trump's 'beautiful' health care replacement was going to be once he took office.

One would think that in order to protect everyone's health insurance Trump and his Republican Congress would have crafted a healthcare plan that, if passed, replaced what we have now instead of simply killing Obamacare and saying 'trust us, we'll get you something better...um, down the road.'​

Is this just your way of trying to deflect away from the fact that your party will run a lunatic who pushes MFA based upon false numbers that would drive our economy into the toilet?

 

[beelit47]

Medicare for all!!! Weeeeeeee!!!

We had a plan, but the TDS Democrats nixed it.

Additionally, now that John McCain isn’t around, maybe we can pass one

This. John mccain broke from the pack and killed it since he had a bad case of TDS. Talk about a horrible candidate to face Obama in 2008.

am glad that they got the stupid mandate thrown out

 

[beelit47]

Really? I must have missed hearing about it.

The only thing McCain did is STOP the Republicans from killing Obamacare (and with it, insurance protections for people with preexisting conditions).

Not once did I hear what Trump's 'beautiful' health care replacement was going to be once he took office.

One would think that in order to protect everyone's health insurance Trump and his Republican Congress would have crafted a healthcare plan that, if passed, replaced what we have now instead of simply killing Obamacare and saying 'trust us, we'll get you something better...um, down the road.'​

Heres the plan: deregulate the whole thing, let doctors, hospitals, and insurers compete on price. Competition drives costs down. Problem solved.

 

[Crazyhole]

There's really only four legit candidates left: Warren - Biden - Sanders - Buttigieg

Buttigieg may have some challenges with the African American community but as time moves on and we get closer to Iowa, Mayor Pete is looking more and more viable. If he wins Iowa -- which is a definite possibility -- he could do this thing.

Lol if trump gets impeached and this goes to the Senate, buttigieg will pretty much be the only candidate who will be able to campaign for about 2 months. Sanders, Warren, Harris, and Booker are required to be there for the trial and Biden will be a witness so he'll be compelled to be there.

 

[Boosted87]

Lol if trump gets impeached and this goes to the Senate, buttigieg will pretty much be the only candidate who will be able to campaign for about 2 months. Sanders, Warren, Harris, and Booker are required to be there for the trial and Biden will be a witness so he'll be compelled to be there.

I think this is a primary driver for the speed we're seeing in this process (by DC standards). The Iowa caucuses are at the beginning of Feb. If the Senate Trial isn't wrapped up by then this becomes a mess for the Dems.

 

[DaShuckster]

If the Senate Trial isn't wrapped up by then this becomes a mess for the Dems.

A mess for...the Democrats??!?

I tend to think that a President who has served less than one term who has been impeached for abuse of power (and let's be honest here, incompetence) is not in the best position to win reelection.

Oh, wait, I forgot. There's going to be such a grassroots groundswell of sympathy for Trump from Rust Belt Dems and Independents that he's going to roll into a second term.

 

[Crazyhole]

I think this is a primary driver for the speed we're seeing in this process (by DC standards). The Iowa caucuses are at the beginning of Feb. If the Senate Trial isn't wrapped up by then this becomes a mess for the Dems.

It would give us a lot of insight into which candidates the media prefers. In this scenario, the only real exposure to voters these guys would have would be the media and that time is finite. Every one of them would be lobbying for time on rachel maddow, o'Donnell, etc. so the producers would have to prioritize.

 

[firm_bizzle]

This. John mccain broke from the pack and killed it since he had a bad case of TDS. Talk about a horrible candidate to face Obama in 2008.

am glad that they got the stupid mandate thrown out

Who should have faced Obama? Mitt? Huckabee? or Ron Paul?

 

[firm_bizzle]

Heres the plan: deregulate the whole thing, let doctors, hospitals, and insurers compete on price. Competition drives costs down. Problem solved.

The problem with healthcare is that government is kinda involved. It either needs to be all in or all out. When government is kinda involved, it only makes things more expensive by propping up profits for corporations at the consumer's expense, .ie housing, student loans.

 

[Crazyhole]

Who should have faced Obama? Mitt? Huckabee? or Ron Paul?

Fred Thompson.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Fred Thompson.

Cue the Law & Order intro.

 

[UCFknights123]

The problem with healthcare is that government is kinda involved. It either needs to be all in or all out. When government is kinda involved, it only makes things more expensive by propping up profits for corporations at the consumer's expense, .ie housing, student loans.

Granted it’s a city state, Singapore is sorta in, sorta out of their health system and it works great.

 

[Crazyhole]

Granted it’s a city state, Singapore is sorta in, sorta out of their health system and it works great.

Except it takes 20% of a workers wages and 17% contribution on top of that from the employer. Works great= ridiculously expensiv .

 

[firm_bizzle]

I heard that literally every seat in Kentucky was on the ballot. Is that typical? If not, it would explain why turnout was so high.

It's like that every 4 years. People came out this year, especially in the suburbs. BTW, those suburbs with the Covington Catholic kids that got harassed in DC all went democrat.