even bernie has come out and said that he would have to raise taxes on everyone
2020 Democrat hopefuls
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Trumpism looking pretty rough in literally every election since he lost the popular vote by 3,000,000.
I won't make an electoral college prediction but I will go on the record that he'll lose the Popular vote by as much as 5 Million in 2020.
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this idiot is still bitching that we have an electoral college and liberals from CA and NY can’t singlehandedly pick Presidents
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How is Kentucky “deep red” when there has been one republican governor since 1971 and he served one term. The guy that won, his daddy was the governor for eight years before the current governor. Learn your facts before you post.
How is Kentucky “deep red” when there has been one republican governor since 1971 and he served one term. The guy that won, his daddy was the governor for eight years before the current governor. Learn your facts before you post.
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Trump won KY 62-32... But no, go ahead and grasp straws that KY is a liberal haven. That makes sense.
There are conservative friends of mine in Kentucky that voted Democrat in this governor race because of the current Governors handling of teacher issues in the state recently . They felt this guy was a better candidate . Like most republicans they will vote against their party when the opposition runs a better candidate . It’s not our fault that’s about as rare as a USF championship in football
He didn't say that, dumbass, he merely stated the fact that despite being a nationally red state it's also a state that historically has also elected moderate Democrats. A lot like West Virginia.
The only people grasping at straws here are people like you trying to assert that this some sort of massive bellwether turning point (D WINS KY GOVERNOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1) even though they've won every Governor race in KY but 2 since 1971.
Also you might notice that D's like this are moderates and barely squeaking by. Good luck when you offer up a socialist far-left wing culture warrior next year.
Trump is still solid in Ohio and Florida, which keeps it close. I don't think he takes PA, MI and WI again. My upset special is NC and AZ.
They only do that on the state level. If those 2 were running for Senate, Bevin would have won by 10.
Gov. Bevin was AHEAD by 5 points before Trump took his Red Hat Road Show to Kentucky to 'help'.
Tell me again how popular he is.
Tell me again how popular he is.
Gov. Bevin was AHEAD by 5 points before Trump took his Red Hat Road Show to Kentucky to 'help'.
Tell me again how popular he is.
No he wasn’t. You’re just lying again. He’s been neck and neck in every single poll and he’s the 2nd most disliked Governor in the country.
Your penchant for lying has gone out of control
i read that castro just fired a bunch of his staffers. probably going to drop out soon. i wonder if he makes the next debate.
Gov. Bevin was AHEAD by 5 points before Trump took his Red Hat Road Show to Kentucky to 'help'.
Tell me again how popular he is.
You are watching too much Scarborough. That was some random poll. State polls are highly unreliable, just ask Gov. Gillum. I actually think that Beshear should have won by more, unpopular governor, unpopular president, familiar last name, better looking and more likable candidate.
There's really only four legit candidates left: Warren - Biden - Sanders - Buttigieg
Buttigieg may have some challenges with the African American community but as time moves on and we get closer to Iowa, Mayor Pete is looking more and more viable. If he wins Iowa -- which is a definite possibility -- he could do this thing.
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Not exactly an all-star lineup.
The mayor of South Bend isn't an all-star regardless of his sexuality.
That's gonna be a problem. Plus he's young (37). The kid is wicked smart and would run circles around Trump if people could get over the gay thing. But as a caveat, I never thought that America would elect a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama either.
The only group that Buttigieg polls poorly in is black Americans, but yeah that's probably enough to tank his bid if he wins the nomination
My point is simply that Buttigieg is a formidable candidate who is well-spoken and well-versed on the issues facing America. When it comes to checking all the boxes, he comes awfully close. That's an 'all-star' politician in my book.
Voters may prefer other candidates of either party but one would be hard-pressed to look at him and exclaim "Omigawd, Hell NO to Pete" … unless they are upset about the idea of an openly Gay President. Truth is, though, there are a lot of those voters out there.
Buttigieg started out strong but slowly he started becoming a middle of the road centrist dem. Centrist dems are getting smoked he's no longer running for president, he's running for Indiana senator or a leadership role in the DNC.
If the Democratic primary voters are smart, they'll elect a Middle-of-the-Road Centrist as their standard bearer. There is no way that Buttigieg or Biden would lose to Trump.
The ultimate Democrat candidate will beat Trump in the popular vote regardless of who it turns out to be. But there is a chance -- be it a small one -- that the Rust Belt could vote Trump over Warren or Sanders and win in the Electoral College.
I would agree with you if the winning candidate was Joe Biden. But given the batsh*t craziness of the Trump Administration, that's not a bad goal to have. Even a do-nothing Uncle Joe Administration would be better -- and a hell of a lot safer -- than what we have now.
But I would argue that thanks to his skill set, Buttigieg would have an opportunity to bring the country together more than anybody we've seen in a generation.
I think it's far more complex than that. Hillary - with all of warts - was as mainstream/centrist of a candidate as the Democrats could have put up, and she got beat. I'll grant you that virtually ANY other candidate could have beat Trump in 2016 - including a hard left populist like Bernie.
2020 is a different beast. Trump won less than 50% of the popular vote during the primaries in 2016. There was a heavy "never trump" sentiment. Fast forward to 2019 and Trump has support of ~90% of Republicans. The party apparatus is behind him. It's been years now since guys like Ted Cruz were questioning his temperament and calling him a narcissist.
So - is easier to beat Trump with small ideas that are acceptable on the center-left / center-right, while risking the motivation of the base? While Trump will have an EXTREMELY motivated base? Or are you better off with Big Ideas that fire up the base, risk abandoning the center, but directly undercuts Trump's populism?
The reason I don't underestimate a Bernie/Warren in the General is that economic populism in a General election in 2020 America is going to be far more popular than talking heads realize right now. Much of that populism undercuts Trump's populist appeal, and fleshes out a clear set of ideas against Trump's total vacuum of ideas. It will be really fascinating if it happens.
He won't even sniff the Democratic nomination polling poorly with black Americans. It might also be a deal-breaker with hispanic Americans.
I'm not so sure that the warren/Bernie version of populism is more popular than trump . JMO, but I don't think the middle class is very enamored with the idea of medicare for all in the way they are proposing it. "Free stuff" sells for a small segment of the population but not enough to win national elections......yet.
