I suspect that one of Buttigieg's biggest challenges will be getting the African American vote.
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I suspect that one of Buttigieg's biggest challenges will be getting the African American vote.
CalExit had more to do with rural and more conservative CA citizens getting tired of being railroaded by liberals who live within 30 miles of the coast over and over and over than anything being pushed by Russia. Maybe they jumped on with their shitty bots but the idea didn't emerge from Russian bots convincing farmers and inland CA residents to start resenting the fact that LA and SF treat them like shit.
Yeah, next thing you know, I'll really jump off the deep end and start referring to South American immigrants as invaders.
Of the various minorities in this country, African Americans have the lowest acceptance rate of Gay marriage. Maybe that won't impact Buttibieg's support or maybe it will.
Lol what a load of bullshit. This is just a rehash of liberals invoking religion when it’s suitable to raise this absurd point that “Jesus would be a socialist!”. This talking point has been used for 30 years whenever a Democrat needs to gain support to pass a massive new entitlement or social program.
Hint: actual religious people already live their lives looking out for those in need. Saying they don’t unless they support federal government welfare expansion is just disingenuous. And we know that’s exactly what’s behind comments like these.
Also, always interesting how the “religious left” seems to lose their religion when it comes to the sanctity of life and protecting the unborn. Nancy Pelosi apparently receives Communion just prior to attending NARAL events where they’re popping bottles for late term abortion coverage.
I was waiting for your typical post. I repeat this again, you are by far the most partisan one on this board.
Anyway - they don't lose their religion - they realize that it's not their place to tell another human being what to do with their body. Just because you believe that someone should have the right to have an abortion doesn't mean you agree with abortions. There's a big difference which seems to be lost on you.
Sorry that I don't want to allow 85 to send yet another thread spiraling into a "democrats are baby murderers" tangent. He does this multiple times per month and it's not productive.
This is a typical response for leftists. It just underlines the fact that for a leftist, politics trumps religion every time. Even when the two carry the same position, liberals place more value in the political aspect of it than they do in the religious aspect. When the 2 diverge, politics wins. I truly do not understand that throught process.
It has nothing to do with politics! It has everything to do with not telling another human what to do with their body. Just because I personally believe something is right/wrong doesn’t mean someone else may think differently.
Your religion does not trump someone else’s religion or someone’s lack of religion.
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Wow.
Since Pete is currently one of the distant, back-of-the-pack candidates, I'm guessing Republican pollsters are noticing something.
Ok well as a self proclaimed non religious person, I always appreciate you telling us what religious people should and shouldn't believe spiritually and morally. Thanks for again participating.
If you believe that every life originates with God, as is literally taught without exception by Christianity and most every other religion, then it's incompatible to say "Well, destroying that unborn baby is an affront to God and unquestionably an act of evil, but hey I gotta support that right for people to do it as a good Christian!"
Trying to convince people that supporting abortion - to now include abortion until birth - is somehow compatible with the most basic tenants of Christianity is just absurd and nothing more than a left wing attempt to again warp religion into some broader social political construct than an actual religious and spiritual doctrine.
Yeah, SHAME ON YOU, bqknight. Everybody here knows that's 85's job!!!!
1. I’m not “non-religious”. I’m non-organized religion.
2. I’m not telling you it has to be compatible with your faith. I’m telling you your faith doesn’t give you the right to tell another women what to do with her body. Especially when faith should play no role in decisions within government.
And my faith says you should have no right to decide which unborn child dies and which doesn’t. It’s not just “her” body, there is another body in there whose life exists through God.
See the difference?
Yes but faith should not be brought into politics is what I’m saying. Of course it’s going to but it shouldn’t. Religion should not dictate policy.
The notion that Fundamentalist Christians somehow have the moral upper hand on the abortion debate is not supported by the Bible. The Bible never talks about abortion. All it does regarding the unborn is to talk about when life begins: when a baby takes its first breath of air.
We all know how years ago conservatives began using terms like "killing babies" in an effort to sway people to their viewpoint. But in order to "die" a person has to have been alive. The unborn, by the very definition, have yet to breath their first breath of life.
Except that the founders acknowledged God repeatedly and for more than 200 years so did the rest of our government. Policies, good and bad, we’re based on values and tradotions with foundations in religion. The systematic stripping of religion from politics is a recent thing. Make no mistake, it’s a fundamental change to our country.
With that said, I’m an agnostic and I don’t feel strongly either way. But I will say that we have a critical mass of throwing away things that made this country great. We can put positive change into place without throwing out everything just because. All change is not good.
Republicans on this board should never be trusted as a source of information. When 85 and Wayne say he's got no chance it's meaningless. Pete is polling ahead of everyone except those with massive name recognition advantages.
He could win it.
Of all the absurd things you've written this is easily the most profoundly stupid and ridiculous. And ultimately, really disgusting since you're now trying to twist passages from the Bible to insist that abortion (yes, the killing of babies) is somehow supported in the Bible and sanctioned by God.
How's this passage? There are roughly 35 others very much like it.
John 1:3-4
All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
Note that it doesn't caveat "life". Nor does it discriminate against the unborn when talking about "life". The Bible crystal clear that life comes from God and that this is both divine and holy. It's utterly dumb and incompatible then to argue that the Bible also sanctions the killing of that innocent life.
Honestly, suggesting that abortion is supported within the Bible and by God, specifically because it didn't directly address the issue (which wasn't even a thing 2,000 years ago) is just nuts. I honestly can't believe you even attempted to make this argument after trying to tell us what a great Christian you are.
More 85 bullsh*t. I said the Bible doesn't speak to abortion. And it doesn't. If anyone is doing any "passage twisting," it's you.
This is not true. There are recipes for herbal concoctions (in medical documents) to end unwanted pregnancies dating back to 1550 BC. There are at least a couple of writings from Christian leaders in the first century AD that equated abortion to murder and infanticide. Even very early Christians were dealing with the question of abortion.
If this hilariously stupid line of thinking is how you're going to try and spin the fact that you support abortion while also trying to fly the good Christian banner, then fine. You clearly need to engage in some seriously deranged circular logic to arrive at convincing yourself that the Bible, Christianity, and ultimately God are totally cool with the slaughter of unborn life.
Sorry folks, I wasn't intending to go way OT to engage in the 1,000,000,000th online abortion debate. I simply wanted to point out 85 is full of bullsh*t when he says the Bible speaks to abortion. It doesn't matter how many times he tries to spin it otherwise.
And before he continues to talk about "the killing" of the unborn, he might want to dust off and read Genesis 2:7: "And the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul.”
Breathed life into his nostrils? Became a living soul? Gosh, if I didn't know better I'd think Genesis was describing the birth of a baby. Imagine that.
Abortion was never once considered when my wife was pregnant. But it was a happy and exciting thing for us -- my wife and I were in a loving relationship and looked forward to starting a family together.
But if a woman has been raped by her father or some other sleazeball relative or became pregnant by a smooth-talking immature lowlife who bails on her at the drop of a hat once the news is shared, that feels like an entirely different deal to me.
And before he continues to talk about "the killing" of the unborn, he might want to dust off and read Genesis 2:7: "And the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul.”
Breathed life into his nostrils? Became a living soul? Gosh, if I didn't know better I'd think Genesis was describing the birth of a baby. Imagine that.
Abortion was never once considered when my wife was pregnant. But it was a happy and exciting thing for us -- my wife and I were in a loving relationship and looked forward to starting a family together.
But if a woman has been raped by her father or some other sleazeball relative or became pregnant by a smooth-talking immature lowlife who bails on her at the drop of a hat once the news is shared, that feels like an entirely different deal to me.
You’ll find a good deal more people on the right are ok with abortifacients in cases of rape and incest than you think. As for the other case, that warrants discussion. You’ve got one side begging people to only have consensual sex in a relationship where both are committed, I.e. marriage. You’ve got the other saying sex is a beautiful natural thing and should be engaged in without reservation. Those are two wholly different cultural viewpoints and it’s not easy reconciling them.
Again, if you are honestly trying to tell yourself that God approves of the slaughter of unborn life because of some trivial “approval by omission” from the Bible that you’ve delusionally convinced yourself of, then you are clearly irrational beyond debating on the subject.
I guess that’s par for the course considering you want to ruin kids’ lives over a smirk and call people racist based upon lies.
Lol yea. Would hate to have the “religious left” have to answer for their cheerleading of abortion!
Avoid uncomfortable contradictions!
This is actually a good strategy for you given that your party is openly embracing abortion til birth and at least in VA, after birth. I would sure hate defending those positions too, “as a Christian”, so best if you guys steer clear of that.
We have threads for your insane ranting. Don't infect every thread with unhinged Facebook meme level science. We're discussing the 2020 Democratic primary here.
lol ok. I eagerly await your next post glorifying the Midwest Mayor and talking about the religious left or whatever.
In the meantime we'll see which candidates atone for lying and disgracing this nation by pushing the fake news COLLUSION! story line against the President.
One of the things I like most about him is that he's not partaking in the "rah, rah impeach Trump" bandwagon. See video below. LOVE his answer. Stop focusing on trying to find Trump's trump card and let's just VOTE HIM OUT!
If Trump really scraps pre existing conditions he is giving the other side a political gift.
Some of the idiot mouth breathers in lower income brackets that didn’t know Obamacare and ACA are the same thing now rely on it and like it
