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2024 Election Thread

KnighttimeJoe said:
I think you grossly underestimate how beatable Biden is going to be. We shall see...
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I'm not here to jump on the Biden re-election bandwagon. But that said, I have a hard time imagining I won't be voting for old Joe again in 2024. Most Americans prefer stability (even the 80-year old variety) over Batshit Crazy.

My gut tells me I'm not alone. I believe there are huge numbers of moderate, conservative-leaning, voters who feel they've been disenfranchised by the GOP.
 
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DaShuckster said:
I'm not here to jump on the Biden re-election bandwagon. But that said, I have a hard time imagining I won't be voting for old Joe again in 2024. Most Americans prefer stability (even the 80-year old variety) over Batshit Crazy.

My gut tells me I'm not alone. I believe there are a huge number of moderate, conservative-leaning, voters who feel they've been disenfranchised by the GOP.
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If inflation, interest rates, and gas prices are all out of whack and people's retirements are still in the shitter, all bets are off.
 
we just had an amazing jobs report and inflation has ticked down consecutive months. He can barely stand up but negotiated a better debt deal than Obama did in similar conditions.
 
Knight_Classes_begin_7pm said:
if you say everyone, that's 100% wrong
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Nothing is absolute. It was a figure of speech. You basically said that it’s just Trump supporters and Republicans. That’s 100% wrong

A poster just posted his approval rating amongst Democrats and Republicans. If you think that Republicans are the only ones not happy with his performance, well that’s just disingenuous. You may hate Republicans and Trump, but Biden has low ratings across both parties

Just stating the facts and sticking with them, so the argument is basically over.

He’s not popular
 
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KnighttimeJoe said:
No shit. Fact still remains there is a huge portion of the Democratic Party that thinks he’s not doing a good job and don’t want him to run.
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I don't disagree. If you look at ANY President in modern times (D or R), a huge portion of the people don't approve of the job he's doing. Take away the initial 'Honeymoon' period of most new administrations and it rare to see an approval rating near 50%, let alone above it.

But it becomes a different deal when you start comparing the incumbent against other candidates for the job. A big part of a President's job is to inspire the country and that's hard for anybody as old as Biden is. That said, the Republican Party is an absolute clown show right now.
 
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DaShuckster said:
I don't disagree. If you look at ANY President in modern times (D or R), a huge portion of the people don't approve of the job he's doing. Take away the initial 'Honeymoon' period of most new administrations and it rare to see an approval rating near 50%, let alone above it.

But it becomes a different deal when you start comparing the incumbent against other candidates for the job. A big part of a President's job is to inspire the country and that's hard for anybody as old as Biden is. That said, the Republican Party is an absolute clown show right now.
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As long as the people that of this country can admit that the proper answer is that both parties have embarrassing candidates who are unfit to be the POTUS
I’m not sure how anyone could be honest with themselves by supporting any of the presidential candidates

The “he’s better than Trump” or “at least he’s not Trump argument” is lame. The least of the evils vote is just not going to fly for 4 more years

So there’s a 99% chance that Trump, Biden, and Desantis is going to be our president in 2024? How is that possible?
 
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I doubt Christie has much of a chance at winning, but he is definitely going to make the debates interesting. I wonder if he will go after Desantis too, not sure how Ron would be able to handle him.
 
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KnighttimeJoe said:
Don't forget that during the 2016 debates, CC effectively ended Marco's presidential run in about 30 seconds.
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Christie is tough in those types of settings. Kind of a no nonsense, straight shooter type. I doubt he has much of a chance at winning, but he will definitely call out Trump, and probably Desantis to a degree, on their bs. I do wonder if Trump will actually show up for debates though.
 
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To me, it doesn't matter how many Republicans enter the field if they are all going to defer to Trump. CC has more balls than any of the others but how far he goes remains to be seen.

You get the feeling all these Republicans have entered the race in the hopes that Trump will self-destruct and they can proceed from there. But unless you're going to be honest and address Trump's BS directly like Liz Cheney, it's meaningless babble.
 
DaShuckster said:
To me, it doesn't matter how many Republicans enter the field if they are all going to defer to Trump. CC has more balls than any of the others but how far he goes remains to be seen.

You get the feeling all these Republicans have entered the race in the hopes that Trump will self-destruct and they can proceed from there. But unless you're going to be honest and address Trump's BS directly like Liz Cheney, it's meaningless babble.
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CC had balls in 2016 and couldn't join Trump's campaign fast enough after he bowed out.
 
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KnighttimeJoe said:
CC had balls in 2016 and couldn't join Trump's campaign fast enough after he bowed out.
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He definitely isn't some sort of hero by any means, but I don't remember him really going after Trump much back then, and that part is obviously going to change. Supposedly, Trump told him he was going to endorse him when he (he as in Trump) dropped out because even Trump didn't really think he had a chance to win.
 
KnighttimeJoe said:
CC had balls in 2016 and couldn't join Trump's campaign fast enough after he bowed out.
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That's going to be CC's Achilles' heel. On the debate stage, he's going to be asked, 'where the hell were you with these Trump complaints two years ago?'
 
Poolside Knight said:
Trump notes his crowd is more enthused about bigotry than they are for tax cuts: "It's amazing how strongly people feel about that. I talk about cutting taxes, people go like that, I talk about transgender everybody goes crazy. Five years ago you didn't know what the hell it was"
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Ever since he announced he was running for President in 2015, Trump hasn't been shy about showing his distain for his followers. (i.e. "I could shoot somebody in the middle of 5th Avenue...") But essentially being called 'stupid bigots' by their leader doesn't seem to lessen his standing with his diehard MAGA base.
 
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I doubt Christie has much of a chance at winning, but he is definitely going to make the debates interesting. I wonder if he will go after Desantis too, not sure how Ron would be able to handle him.
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If he helps Desantis beat Trump I am all for him being in the race. I would like to see a Desantis/Kennedy battle for the White House. I don't see it happening, but it would be my preference.
 
goodknightfl said:
I would like to see a Desantis/Kennedy battle for the White House.
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The reason our country has traditionally had political parties is to provide a system for vetting candidates. When it comes down to it, most Americans tend to choose who to vote for based on the person, not the party. But that party affilication used to give you a sense of what they value.

Once upon a time, the Republican Party emphasized being fiscally conservative, being pro-business, and having a strong national defense. Those were values I could believe in -- and did for 25 years.

But what does the party stand for today?

Fiscal conservativism? Hardly. The nation's biggest debts have been rung up during Republican Presidents. Strangely, the GOP politicians in Washington only give a sh*t about the debt when a Democrat is in the White House. I applaud the fact that the two parties actually sat down together and talked about the national debt for a change. It was refreshing. Too bad, the Republicans' concern about the debt was complete bullsh*t since they had a gun to the nation's head. Yeah, guys, you REALLY cared about the nation. :rolleyes:

Pro-Business? Yeah boy! Ask Disney. And when they DO support business, its usually at the expense of our environment.

Strong National Defense? LOL Not anymore. Trump and Republican influencers openly root for authoritarian governments. Seriously, WTF???

So based on their actions, what are we to assume the GOP values today? Disrespect for the law? Touting freedom while seeking to control other people's lives? Being anti-immigration when businesses across the country are desperate for labor?
 
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Poolside Knight said:
it’s funny how Republicans say Biden is too old who can’t find his pants but then try to claim he is some criminal mastermind.
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It's all typical politics-speak.

It's just like the mock handwringing about Hunter without saying a peep about the Trump family feeding at the government-influencing trough. Do you think Ivanka Trump's 41 company patents approved by the Chinese government had nothing to do with her Daddy? :) Hell, Trump's son-in-law negotiated billions in personal sweetheart deals with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia as Donald was getting ready to leave office.
 
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KnighttimeJoe said:
Fact still remains there is a huge portion of the Democratic Party that thinks he’s not doing a good job and don’t want him to run.
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The real issue isn't Biden's performance, it's that most Americans believe he's too old to be President. In my opinion, it's not about the 'job' he's done. His modest record is not bad given the situation at home and around the world right now. Put Biden's accomplishments in the body of an energetic, charismatic 50 year old, and his numbers would jump.

What Americans want in their leader is someone who can INSPIRE them. Let's face it, that's not Biden. But the trouble is, most Americans are scared to death of Trump returning to the White House. The Dems are not going to be making a move away from a sitting President with Donald looming on the horizon.

Trump is a Constitutional crisis just waiting to happen.
 
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DaShuckster said:
The real issue isn't Biden's performance, it's that most Americans believe he's too old to be President. In my opinion, it's not about the 'job' he's done. His modest record is not bad given the situation at home and around the world right now. Put Biden's accomplishments in the body of an energetic, charismatic 50 year old, and his numbers would jump.

What Americans want in their leader is someone who can INSPIRE them. Let's face it, that's not Biden. But the trouble is, most Americans are scared to death of Trump returning to the White House. The Dems are not going to be making a move away from a sitting President with Donald looming on the horizon.

Trump is a Constitutional crisis just waiting to happen.
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This …most center left Dems love what he has passed . Infrastructure is a very big deal that has been talked about through multiple presidencies and he actually did it with GOP votes . His age and ‘looking it’ is what is hurting him along w
him being a very weak messenger

 
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What we're seeing take place now is THE BIG LIE: 2023.

Since the DOJ is STILL fcuking around with their boatload of evidence Trump led the insurrection, THE BIG LIE (2020) hasn't yet been debunked for the illiterate 30% of the country who still consider Trump got 'robbed' out of reelection.

But wait! Now there's more!

THE BIG LIE (2023) has now been unveiled upon the American public! We're supposed to believe that "Biden's DOJ" charged poor, innocent Donald with "espionage." Can you believe these crazy lefties would stoop so low??!? What's more, poor, innocent Donald "did the same thing Biden and Pence did" but "he is the only one being charged." And get this: "Hillary Got Away With It" but they're persecuting poor Donald for The Same Thing!!! "Unequal justice for Republicans, baby!"

Why all this bullsh*t disinformation you ask? Because all these chickensh*t politicans KNOW that Trump is guilty as sin. So instead of defending the indefensable (particularly when you have Trump on tape admitting to it), they'll skirt the whole guilt/innocent issue altogether by using their new "Unequal justice" line. So it's no longer about Trump's crimes (and we haven't even gotten to the biggest ones yet.) It's REALLY all about....(cue drum roll)...different treatment for Republicans vs Democrats!!! We know for a fact this strategy has worked on some folks here. That apparently is good enough for the MAGA base so there you go! :)
 
KnighttimeJoe said:
And LMAO: Trump's poll numbers have gone UP since his 37 indictments:
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The classified documents thing is a nothing burger compared to what's still to come.

Imagine the numbers skyrocketing after Trump's Georgia election tampering indictment and -- if we all live long enough -- the eventual federal charges surrounding his role in the January 6th insurrection.
 
DaShuckster said:
The classified documents thing is a nothing burger compared to what's still to come.

Imagine the numbers skyrocketing after Trump's Georgia election tampering indictment and -- if we all live long enough -- the eventual federal charges surrounding his role in the January 6th insurrection.
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The Stormy Daniels thing was a nothing burger.

CNN et al. would have you believe, however, that the 37 indictments are going to be his undoing. Who knows.

The Georgia election tampering, to me, is the central case--not 6 Jan.
 
His primary polls

General Election it hurts enough w Independents and a small number of Republicans who are sick of the drama
 
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