60k Homicides in Brazil a Year

[UCFWayne]

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...s-strict-gun-laws-haven-t-stopped-its-killers

thats almost the size of ucf or a small town gone every year. how is that even possible? thats the highest rate in the world right now. almost 73% of the homicides are with guns. i believe guns are illegal down there.

 

[chemmie]

Lol.
Did you actually read the article?

 

[bqknight]

Lol.
Did you actually read the article?

Obviously not.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Brazil is a hole dude. I went to São Paulo a few years ago and while the tourist area is nice, it gets very shitty and dangerous fast. The cops either police the slums for bribes or they don’t and they turn into war zones.

And the traffic is insane. I don’t know how anyone gets anywhere . All of the CEOs have copters and the high rises have landing pads just to avoid driving.

 

[Poolside Knight]

Rio is the best city to go as a tourist, Ipanema is heaven on Earth

 

[UCFWayne]

Lol.
Did you actually read the article?

60k homicides in a year and most were from guns that are banned. Latin America is home to 43 of the world’s 50 most murderous cities: 19 of them are in Brazil.

what did i miss? because some guy thinks more legal gun ownership will lead to more murders? murders have gone down while gun ownership has soared here. maybe brazil is different, but good people should be able to protect themselves.

 

[bqknight]

60k homicides in a year and most were from guns that are banned. Latin America is home to 43 of the world’s 50 most murderous cities: 19 of them are in Brazil.

what did i miss? because some guy thinks more legal gun ownership will lead to more murders? murders have gone down while gun ownership has soared here. maybe brazil is different, but good people should be able to protect themselves.

You just obviously didn't read the article when you first posted it. You said you think guns were illegal down there and the whole first part is about how it may be hard to get a gun but they are legal and most guns on the street come from legal purchases that then end up in the wrong hands.

 

[UCFWayne]

You just obviously didn't read the article when you first posted it. You said you think guns were illegal down there and the whole first part is about how it may be hard to get a gun but they are legal and most guns on the street come from legal purchases that then end up in the wrong hands.

so straw buyers that have access to guns most brazilian cant legally get sold those guns to criminal organizations? omg that never happens

 

[bqknight]

so straw buyers that have access to guns most brazilian cant legally get sold those guns to criminal organizations? omg that never happens

Eh? All I said was you obviously didn't read the article before you posted it. The article means nothing to the USA IMO, Brazil is completely different than here. It's not even remotely relatable.

 

[NinjaKnight]

. maybe brazil is different, .

 

[chemmie]

You still haven't read the article, Wayne.

 

[UCFWayne]

Eh? All I said was you obviously didn't read the article before you posted it. The article means nothing to the USA IMO, Brazil is completely different than here. It's not even remotely relatable.

60k people killed, mostly by guns, in a country that largely bans guns. i think they should revisit their gun laws so that their law abiding citizens have a better chance to protect themselves. that was the only point i was trying to make.

 

[Poolside Knight]

Wayne you might want to make comparisons to developed nations(Canada, Australia, Japan, England) and not the 3rd World.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Wayne you might want to make comparisons to developed nations(Canada, Australia, Japan, England) and not the 3rd World.

I often raise the point that Japan has the highest suicide rate in the world despite guns nowhere to be found. Conveniently, it's a typically ignored point. And it's relevant given that the majority of "gun deaths" in this country are from suicide.

I get whiplash trying to keep up when I can, and can't, reference other countries for policy. Such as when I referenced the fact that Canada and Australia have merit based immigration systems, like the one the current Admin wants. Few people listened to this point in between yelling "RACIST!" over and over.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Wayne you might want to make comparisons to developed nations(Canada, Australia, Japan, England) and not the 3rd World.

Extremely strict gun laws are just that no matter what country they are in. If anything they are even more destructive in countries like Brazil where law abiding citizens are at even more risk.

I also don't see where Wayne was comparing the US to Brazil, he was just discussing Brazil.

 

[Poolside Knight]

I often raise the point that Japan has the highest suicide rate in the world despite guns nowhere to be found. Conveniently, it's a typically ignored point. And it's relevant given that the majority of "gun deaths" in this country are from suicide.

I get whiplash trying to keep up when I can, and can't, reference other countries for policy. Such as when I referenced the fact that Canada and Australia have merit based immigration systems, like the one the current Admin wants. Few people listened to this point in between yelling "RACIST!" over and over.

Ok but at least you are using nations in a similar economic state. There are many reasons while Brazil is not a good example to use.

 

[UCFKnight85]

This is kind of like when the Bernie Bros talk about how awesome socialism is and they reference Norway and Denmark exclusively. Near homogenous white societies.

Somehow the brown people socialism of Latin America gets left out.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Ok but at least you are using nations in a similar economic state. There are many reasons while Brazil is not a good example to use.

Just to be clear here though, Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world. Ahead of Canada and Australia. It has economic issues surely but it's not like we're talking about Ecuador or Honduras.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Ok but at least you are using nations in a similar economic state. There are many reasons while Brazil is not a good example to use.

Wayne wasn't comparing Brazil to the US. Just discussing the gun laws in Brazil.

 

[Poolside Knight]

I'm rooting for Brazil and think it is a good thing for the U.S. to have South America flourish. The problem there and in any Latin American country is the corruption in Government which ruins progress being made.

 

[UCFWayne]

I'm rooting for Brazil and think it is a good thing for the U.S. to have South America flourish. The problem there and in any Latin American country is the corruption in Government which ruins progress being made.

corruption is a major problem and why nothing will change down there for a very long time.

 

[OldManKnightFan]

I'm rooting for Brazil and think it is a good thing for the U.S. to have South America flourish. The problem there and in any Latin American country is the corruption in Government which ruins progress being made.

Pool, maybe if more of the people had guns they could fight the corrupt government?

 

[bqknight]

Pool, maybe if more of the people had guns they could fight the corrupt government?

You mean...a civil war/revolution? GREAT IDEA!

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

You mean...a civil war/revolution? GREAT IDEA!

It was such an awful thing when we had our revolution. Everyone should just be content under corrupt and oppressive governments.

 

[UCFKnight85]

You mean...a civil war/revolution? GREAT IDEA!

Umm. We are debating right now the constitutional limits that do or don’t exist from a Bill of Rights that was drafted in the middle of....a revolution.

Do you not wish the people of Cuba or Venezuela had the means to overthrow their dictators?

 

[bqknight]

Umm. We are debating right now the constitutional limits that do or don’t exist from a Bill of Rights that was drafted in the middle of....a revolution.

Do you not wish the people of Cuba or Venezuela had the means to overthrow their dictators?

Our revolution occurred in a completely different time.

As you said, Brazil is one of the largest economies in the world. A revolution there would not be a good thing.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Our revolution occurred in a completely different time.

As you said, Brazil is one of the largest economies in the world. A revolution there would not be a good thing.

So just suck it up Brazilians. No one cares that your government is corrupt. We need your money.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Our revolution occurred in a completely different time.

As you said, Brazil is one of the largest economies in the world. A revolution there would not be a good thing.

We rebelled against the most successful economic juggernaught in history at that point.

Dumb Founding Fathers. Should have just appreciated what they had here!

 

[bqknight]

So just suck it up Brazilians. No one cares that your government is corrupt. We need your money.

That’s exactly what I said, thanks!

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

That’s exactly what I said, thanks!

No problem!

We only care about Hispanics in the US that can or will in the future vote for us. To all those stuck under dictators and corrupt, oppressive governments south of our border, tough luck for being born in the wrong country. Americans are the only ones that can revolt. If you can travel thousands of miles across barren deserts, trecherous mountain ranges and then promise to vote for us when you get here we'll give you protection in CA.

 

[OldManKnightFan]

That’s exactly what I said, thanks!

So would you rather live in America or Brazil? And why?

 

[Poolside Knight]

Pool, maybe if more of the people had guns they could fight the corrupt government?

Brazilians love life too much to turn into a Syria. Information, Social Media, and everyone having a camera to live stream in their pocket is more likely to topple a Government in today's World than having an AR15.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Brazilians love life too much to turn into a Syria. Information, Social Media, and everyone having a camera to live stream in their pocket is more likely to topple a Government in today's World than having an AR15.

Everyone already knows what goes on in Brazil and pretty much every third world country. Someone posting on instagram isn't going to change anything. Lol. I'm sure the Castro and Kim are terrified of the tweet that is going to force them to give up power, unless of course that tweet is from Trump letting them know they're dead.

 

[Poolside Knight]

And I haven't followed all the details but Brazil already had one President recently resign early without any threat of some militia dream civil war but mostly with peaceful protest(& I'm assuming info being uncovered). That fighting tyranny argument is laughable in today's America with the technology the Military has now.

Venezuela is a whole other discussion.

 

[Poolside Knight]

Everyone already knows what goes on in Brazil and pretty much every third world country. Someone posting on instagram isn't going to change anything. Lol. I'm sure the Castro and Kim are terrified of the tweet that is going to force them to give up power, unless of course that tweet is from Trump letting them know they're dead.

I'm talking about open societies. There are massive differences between Brazil & Cuba/North Korea

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

I'm talking about open societies. There are massive differences between Brazil & Cuba/North Korea

Brazil is corrupt. Everyone knows that. What are tweets going to change? People are going to give up their money and power because of mean tweets?

 

[UCFKnight85]

And I haven't followed all the details but Brazil already had one President recently resign early without any threat of some militia dream civil war but mostly with peaceful protest(& I'm assuming info being uncovered). That fighting tyranny argument is laughable in today's America with the technology the Military has now.

Venezuela is a whole other discussion.

I will only address your last sentence in first paragraph. Because that’s laughable. The Taliban have shriveled for 17 years while facing our military. Assad was nearly brought to his knees but guys with AKs. The FARC waged war on the Colombian Government for years using nothing but guerrilla tactics with small arms.

 

[sk8knight]

And I haven't followed all the details but Brazil already had one President recently resign early without any threat of some militia dream civil war but mostly with peaceful protest(& I'm assuming info being uncovered). That fighting tyranny argument is laughable in today's America with the technology the Military has now.

Venezuela is a whole other discussion.

What makes you think the military wouldn’t split in an American civil war?

 

[Poolside Knight]

I will only address your last sentence in first paragraph. Because that’s laughable. The Taliban have shriveled for 17 years while facing our military. Assad was nearly brought to his knees but guys with AKs. The FARC waged war on the Colombian Government for years using nothing but guerrilla tactics with small arms.

You are bringing up the Taliban who sleep in caves to make a comparison with modern American society fighting off tyranny? cmon man. Anything that gets close to tyranny in this country is going to be toppled with information, not some rednecks AK in Arkansas

And I have a family member that has worked in Latin America his entire adult life so I'm well aware of the Farc, Panama, Venezuela, etc

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

You are bringing up the Taliban who sleep in caves to make a comparison with modern American society fighting off tyranny? cmon man. Anything that gets close to tyranny in this country is going to be toppled with information, not some rednecks AK in Arkansas

And I have a family member that has worked in Latin America his entire adult life so I'm well aware of the Farc, Panama, Venezuela, etc

We're talking about Brazil, not the US.