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If life begins at conception then illegal immigrants who get pregnant in America are carrying American citizens and shouldn't be deported. Also, anyone who is pregnant on welfare should be able to get a welfare check for their unborn living human child as soon as they miss their period.
Where's the push for these changes?
In my America every 6 week old fetus has full American citizenship and all rights granted to them including the 2nd amendment. I expect little guns to be inserted into the womb, for self defense.In some states fathers don't even need to pay child support until the baby is born. Why is that?
One of the most ignorant things I’ve ever read here , and that’s saying somethingIn some states fathers don't even need to pay child support until the baby is born. Why is that?
One of the most ignorant things I’ve ever read here , and that’s saying something
38 states and Federal law recognize the child in utero as a living human being when it comes to violent crimes committed upon pregnant women. 23 of those and the federal statutes recognize the child at any stage of development. Why is that?In some states fathers don't even need to pay child support until the baby is born. Why is that?
If a 6 week old fetus is alive then why are we deporting our own citizensIn a country where the left is proposing elective abortions until birth, and in a country where one sitting Governor proposed abortion BEYOND birth, it's required that States start taking action to enforce basic constitutional protections of life.
i think you are right. i think they want to bring this to the supreme court. i hope it fails.This thing, in its very conception, was designed to go to the Supreme Court. It's going to get knocked down at every higher court and the folks from Alabammer who came up with it know this.
38 states and Federal law recognize the child in utero as a living human being when it comes to violent crimes committed upon pregnant women. 23 of those and the federal statutes recognize the child at any stage of development. Why is that?
In a country where the left is proposing elective abortions until birth, and in a country where one sitting Governor proposed abortion BEYOND birth, it's required that States start taking action to enforce basic constitutional protections of life.
The left is not pushing for that. This is nothing more than a made up talking point. Women who get abortions typically do so as early as possible (minus health issues down the road, but in those cases the woman typically wanted to give birth). Absolutely no woman in her right mind is going to carry a child late into her pregnancy and then decide to abort it, and there are many doctors who would never perform that procedure.
Really? You may want to tell that to the 2-3 blue states that have already passed laws making elective abortion legal up until birth.
And you're right- no doctor will perform a late term abortion "to save the life" of a mother. They'd deliver the baby. Yet this is what I keep hearing to justify these laws coming from states like NY. So which is it?
Really? You may want to tell that to the 2-3 blue states that have already passed laws making elective abortion legal up until birth.
And you're right- no doctor will perform a late term abortion "to save the life" of a mother. They'd deliver the baby. Yet this is what I keep hearing to justify these laws coming from states like NY. So which is it?
There is going to be a major fracture in the pro-abortion crowd coming soon. The majority of them justify it to themselves in ways that already make them uncomfortable. Now with the fringe taking the reigns in pushing for infanticide I have a feeling that a lot of them are going to distance themselves from the politics of the issue and see this for what it is.
If a 6 week old fetus is alive then why are we deporting our own citizens
There were nearly as many abortions past 20 weeks (11.5 k est) last year as there were gun homicides (14k including accidents and justified shootings). Yet one is insignificant and the other is one of the biggest issues in our society. Why is that?The left is not pushing for that. This is nothing more than a made up talking point. Women who get abortions typically do so as early as possible (minus health issues down the road, but in those cases the woman typically wanted to give birth). Absolutely no woman in her right mind is going to carry a child late into her pregnancy and then decide to abort it, and there are many doctors who would never perform that procedure.
Yes, really. Making it legal up until birth is for health reasons. Again, no woman is going to carry a baby for 9 months then suddenly decide to abort it. Not to mention, most doctors would not perform that procedure unless it is a health issue. Late term abortions are almost always due to some sort of health issue.
There were nearly as many abortions past 20 weeks (11.5 k est) last year as there were gun homicides (14k including accidents and justified shootings). Yet one is insignificant and the other is one of the biggest issues in our society. Why is that?
You literally just argued against your own point but I'll just make this really simple - if this was really the intent of these laws, why didn't they specify that it can only be performed for the most critical medical emergencies only? (which again, is a fallacy as complications this late are resolved by delivering the baby, not killing it).
Why not pass bill language like that? Instead the bills have all passed which leave elective abortions 100% legal and allowed up until the point of birth.
I agree but you said that almost all abortions are done early. I wanted to point out the scale and that you totally minimized it for the sake of painting pro-lifers as crying wolf.They are two separate issues, and I would say both are significant, or we wouldn't have conversations about them.
Also you’re wrong about women carrying at terminating late. Do some research and you’ll find that medical reasons are the least of the 5 or 6 reasons women terminate late. The medical justification is made up as well, since they have to deliver the baby one way or another. They should deliver it live. It’s only in the case where the woman decides to kill the baby that they abort if they have to terminate a late term pregnancy.I agree but you said that almost all abortions are done early. I wanted to point out the scale and that you totally minimized it for the sake of painting pro-lifers as crying wolf.
I didnt say that was the only issue, I said that the primary reason late term abortions happen. Some people also believe in choice. But, both things can be true. I haven't argued against my own point a bit. People can believe in choice, while also realizing that the majority of abortions are early term abortions.
Most pro-life people hold that position because they believe it is life at conception. Saying that rape or incest are no longer exceptions may make them somewhat uncomfortable but it won't make them question the basis for their position.I would say it is just the opposite. I think they pro life crowd are going to be the ones fractured. It is one thing to be opposed to abortion in general. It is quite another to be opposed to it with no exceptions and that involves potentially life long prison sentences for doctors.
No rape or incest clause? Horrible.
Most pro-life people hold that position because they believe it is life at conception. Saying that rape or incest are no longer exceptions may make them somewhat uncomfortable but it won't make them question the basis for their position.
So basically, Democrats have abandoned the entire premise of "viability" to finally recognize when a child is a child then, yes? There used to be this notion (wrong IMO but still a notion) that many D's opposed abortion past 20 weeks since that was the "point of viability". After that, it was "really a child in there and it deserved protections.
That's gone then, right? You can't just say it's about choice. If we have a child in the womb in the 3rd trimester then that child must be afforded legal protection. That does and should supersede any "choice" at that point.
So all I can deduct from your point is that yes, Democrats are now shifting their opinion to render children in the womb, until birth, as not actually being viable children and not afforded ANY legal protection.
Which is extremist in every way, to say the least.
I agree but you said that almost all abortions are done early. I wanted to point out the scale and that you totally minimized it for the sake of painting pro-lifers as crying wolf.
I think Democrats stance is the same it has always been, in that abortion should be legal. I personally, and I am sure many others, arent really comfortable with late term abortions, but I also realize that being a guy it has nothing to do with me.
From 03-14 only 1.3% of abortions came after 21 weeks gestation. So yes, I think that implies the majority of abortions are done early. I didnt mininimize anything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_termination_of_pregnancy
So what is the acceptable number of “viable” children to be aborted annually? What percentage?
Clearly that should be zero. If the baby doesn't need the mother to survive then there isnt much rationale left to kill it.So what is the acceptable number of “viable” children to be aborted annually? What percentage?
This non answer and recycled talking points tell me that my questions raised uncomfortable realizations for you
Clearly that should be zero. If the baby doesn't need the mother to survive then there isnt much rationale left to kill it.
Most pro-life people hold that position because they believe it is life at conception. Saying that rape or incest are no longer exceptions may make them somewhat uncomfortable but it won't make them question the basis for their position.
I hate that last line of rationalization. Life is created by a male and a female. Both have responsibilities and obligations. Saying the man loses any choice also removes responsibilities. Because the man is in the equation does not devalue the woman. Because the woman is carrying the baby does not remove the man’s stake in the child.I think Democrats stance is the same it has always been, in that abortion should be legal. I personally, and I am sure many others, arent really comfortable with late term abortions, but I also realize that being a guy it has nothing to do with me.