Boom Natural Immunity
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I don't. But you supposedly do and continually don't know WTF you're talking about.
No, not "almost every single one of those deaths" was preventable. That is a ridiculous statement on its face.427,000 people aged 75 and younger have died of COVID in less than 24 months.
COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023 | Statista
Between the beginning of January 2020 and June 14, 2023, of the 1,134,641 deaths caused by COVID-19 in the United States, around 307,169 had occurred among those aged 85 years and older.www.statista.com
Since April 2021, almost every single one of those deaths was preventable.
I know you'll redirect with your next response, but even you have to be able to grasp what's going on here.
Hey Mike's, I don't give medical advice. I shared two studies that indicate immunity acquired through getting COVID is robust and Johns Hopkins has documented it has so far lasted two years. The other article written by a doctor then makes the argument that our public policy needs to recognize natural immunity as good as being vaxxed. We are the only industrialized nation that ignores it.
I highly recommend you seek the advice of your doctor. I sought the opinion of two general practitioners and a cardiologist. ALL said I don't need the vaccine.
I have said it repeatedly , if you are not vaccinated, have comorbidities and are over the age of 55 consult your doctor to get vaccinated.
You all laugh me ,what ever. I have laid out my education and career moves . I am proud of my UCF science degree . I am proud of the rigors and debate and critical thinking skills I picked up from UCF. I got a great education there . None of you who mock me have yet to say what you do ,or what degrees you earned.
Science is meant to be debated,,tested and critically examined. No person who stands up and says I am science ,I am the final word should be trusted. If Science is settled then shut it all down shut the research,the universities, the funding . Shut it all down if there are no more questions . Just rely on guys like the Oracle Fauci to send us edicts from on high.
I figured everyone would look at the John's Hopkins study with promise and hope. I am not a threat to anyone , I am highly likely not going to get COVID again and I won't be sick enough to have a viral load to spread it.
I don't recommend getting alpha or delta if it ever comes back in lieu of a vaccine. However, it's time for public policy in America to recognize the 65 million survivors as good to go. That's entire point of my posting these reports. It was not to debate vaccine versus waiting to get COVID . It's to open up our nation .
You have to admit, it is ****ing hilarious watching him simultaneously brag about having a science degree and then use his anecdotal evidence with a sample size of 1 as if that is proof of the same caliber as a peer reviewed study, in the exact same post.
The irony is almost overbearing.
I posted two studies ,CDC and Johns Hopkins . Legitimate science based research on lasting immunity developed through infection. I then shared my personal story . I find it funny you can't see the difference and then mock me for it? Who is the idiot here ?
I am sorry you can't find it interesting how 10 of us get COVID, the one who doesn't was vaccinated and then flipped to omicron none of us with Delta get omicron and the vaccinated person did. It's an observation,no much more no real conclusion can be drawn but it's interesting if you ask me . If any argument is being made here it's not what Mike's is saying. It's the immunity acquired from Delta appears to be working for the 10 that got .
You guys just immediately go to defend the vaccine when I am not even attacking it . I am attacking our crappy public policy that ignores immunity acquired from infection. You should too because you have to ask why are they purposely ignoring it?
I think we have more than enough evidence to the contrary, unfortunately.
You should stick to advice about chocolate 🍫 Willy Wonka. If you don’t like the rules in this country, move to Russia or China. People don’t even know if they have natural immunity, so you have to risk death from Delta to get it. Not smart, but we keep having to repeat it to morons
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Because it's called context, dumb ass. Read the rest of the posts from me regarding this in the thread.
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You should totally write about that in your diary tonight, just before you cry yourself to sleep.
Again, read the Results of the John's Hopkins study .Their medical school did the research, not me.
I can't be any more clear . If you ain't vaccinated and never had COVID consult your doctor get vaccinated.
Your position and Ninjas position is EVERYONE regardless of what ever must be vaccinated.
My position is yah, most people should get it ,but if you already had COVID ,you don't need to get it. Again two general MDs and a cardiologist confirmed my position with me . John's Hopkins and CDC also this week confirmed it . I am taking the advice of my doctor.
The horse left the barn on me getting it and prior to getting your opinion of me getting vaxxed was valid. After having gotten covid, your opinion no longer applies . Situation changed. I do not advocate getting COVID to avoid getting the shot . Never have.
Some of y'all's reading comprehension is troubling. Those that are critical of my position did you read either pieces I posted at all?
Mike's, I am a citizen, tax payer ,employer of this awesome country. I ain't leaving. I am doing what Americans do. They stand up when things aren't right. It's not right public health officials ignore immunity gained through infection.
Lol. None of that is true. You're just too stupid to see when Mike edits someone's post.
None of it is true, eh? Here are your very words, unedited, you liar:
Knightime, you posted that at 164. I responded to it ..your subsequent posts which I didn't read , yah ,make sense . But those posts were after the simple statement 79 year olds deserve to die . Perhaps that's sarcasm . There were a lot of deaths from old people not dieing from COVID but with COVID . So, I stand corrected reading your subsequent posts because there is stuff in there I agree with.
Nowhere in that post did I say I was suicidal over Christmas. I was uncomfortable because of things that had happened prior.
And I can be real. And honest. Whether it's through a keyboard or in real life. Why does that make you uncomfortable and feel the need to attack?
I haven't dug into this data, but there's a big risk of baking in survivorship bias. In vaccinated populations, many more vulnerable individuals are still alive because of vaccination. In unvaccinated (natural immunity groups), you've culled the most susceptible individuals already (they're dead).
Think of dumbed down extreme version like this. Imagine 1% of the pop will die if they catch the virus due to a particular risk-factor. The other 99% will always be fine no matter what, but no one knows if they are at risk. For that 1%, it's 90% fatal if your unvaxed, 10% fatal if you are vaxed. What happens over time?
Vaccination rates are ~70%, so let's assume that's how our sample of 1 million breaks down and that everyone is exposed/infected.
After Wave 1:
*300k unvaxed, 1% susceptible, 90% fatal for them = 2,700 dead. But most importantly, only 300 susceptible individuals left alive. Overall IFR of 0.9%
*700k vaxed, 1% susceptible, 10% fatal for them = 700 deaths, but most importantly, 6,300 susceptible still alive. IFR of 0.1% (8x better than unvaxxed)
Wave 2 hits the now culled population
*300 unvaxed susceptible individuals alive, 90% fatal = 270 death, 30 still alive. IFR in Wave 2 of 0.09%. Wow a 10x improvement!
*6,300 vaxed susceptible individuals alive, 10% fatal = 630 deaths, 5,670 still alive. IFR in Wave 2 of 0.09%.
Wave 3 Hits further culled population
*30 unvaxed susceptible individuals alive, 90% fatal, 27 deaths, 3 still alive. IFR in Wave 3 down to 0.009%. Another 10x improvement!
*Vaxxed pop has 567 deaths and an IFR of 0.08%.
So by Wave 3, the naturally immune (unvaxed) group has an IFR about 10x better than the vaxed group. The reality of course is that the vaccinated group is still protecting their vulnerable members at a much higher rate, the naturally immune group just doesn't have many people left who are susceptible.
You can see how easy it would be to use this data as evidence that natural immunity is providing better and better protection over time. I'm not saying that's what these studies are showing, but it would be really easy for people with a narrative to ignore the asterisks/qualifications in these assessments and publish "news stories" with erroneous narratives.
Think of dumbed down extreme version like this. Imagine 1% of the pop will die if they catch the virus due to a particular risk-factor. The other 99% will always be fine no matter what, but no one knows if they are at risk. For that 1%, it's 90% fatal if your unvaxed, 10% fatal if you are vaxed. What happens over time?
Vaccination rates are ~70%, so let's assume that's how our sample of 1 million breaks down and that everyone is exposed/infected.
After Wave 1:
*300k unvaxed, 1% susceptible, 90% fatal for them = 2,700 dead. But most importantly, only 300 susceptible individuals left alive. Overall IFR of 0.9%
*700k vaxed, 1% susceptible, 10% fatal for them = 700 deaths, but most importantly, 6,300 susceptible still alive. IFR of 0.1% (8x better than unvaxxed)
Wave 2 hits the now culled population
*300 unvaxed susceptible individuals alive, 90% fatal = 270 death, 30 still alive. IFR in Wave 2 of 0.09%. Wow a 10x improvement!
*6,300 vaxed susceptible individuals alive, 10% fatal = 630 deaths, 5,670 still alive. IFR in Wave 2 of 0.09%.
Wave 3 Hits further culled population
*30 unvaxed susceptible individuals alive, 90% fatal, 27 deaths, 3 still alive. IFR in Wave 3 down to 0.009%. Another 10x improvement!
*Vaxxed pop has 567 deaths and an IFR of 0.08%.
So by Wave 3, the naturally immune (unvaxed) group has an IFR about 10x better than the vaxed group. The reality of course is that the vaccinated group is still protecting their vulnerable members at a much higher rate, the naturally immune group just doesn't have many people left who are susceptible.
You can see how easy it would be to use this data as evidence that natural immunity is providing better and better protection over time. I'm not saying that's what these studies are showing, but it would be really easy for people with a narrative to ignore the asterisks/qualifications in these assessments and publish "news stories" with erroneous narratives.
Hilarious. You really have issues. None of it was true!!! Lmao. We should have baker acted you right then and there.
You have a ton of problems. I’m perfectly comfortable pointing that out.
You're on an anonymous message board, and I'm willing to bet that you aren't strong enough to admit anything vulnerable about yourself even when nobody knows who you are. I do have tons of problems. So do you. The difference is that I'm confident enough to admit it while you are a coward. You've become nothing more than an avatar that mocks others and throws bombs because it makes you feel better about your own issues. SAD!
Your problem is that you are so desperate for friends and human interaction that you actually think that we give a crap about you
Omicron. Same thing that happened everywhere with Omicron.
Israel is at 66.2% vs our 64.2% fully vaxed (2 dose) rate. We're actually slightly ahead for single doses. They are way ahead on boosters at 55% vs 27%.
Regardless, they are not "almost fully vaccinated" so I don't know where you get that from but I recommend new sources of information with less biased narratives.
You are correct. There is a natural selection of sorts going on there . I think the core problem is people want to conflate this an either or proposition. Meaning, some would argue get sick to GET immunity versus the shot . I don't hold that position.
My position is the horse has left the barn for many ,including everyone like my brother and his family who got alpha before the mRNA was available. Do we ignore immunity obtained through infection regardless and say it doesn't count to prove you can go out to dinner or say maybe fly on an airplane ?
That is the issue here . However, some just freak out that anything other than to have to be jabbed repeatedly is the solution . Yet, they ignore the basic science behind how immunology works. It's like getting COVID doesn't create any immune response and only the mRNA injection does. Our public policy needs to acknowledge immunity gained through infection .
I like your analysis though. One thing is clear that two years after getting sick their bodies are still cranking out antibodies to covid.
I think it's cleaner to track against total population when comparing country-to-country over time if you're trying to parse out the impact of vaccination on infections/deaths. Better apples-to-apples. If you only use vaccine-eligible for the denominator then that number changes over time and you wouldn't have consistent data to compare.
Here's recent data from Isreal. And you're right that ~85% of adults are vaccinated. So you have to look at case rates and severity. The article below notes that even though only 14% of adults are unvaccinated in Isreal, they make up 100% of ECMO patients.
You might be missing the bigger picture here. Public policy now does acknowledge it, but the cult will ignore that too. They have no choice, because the alternative is to admit that you became passionate about something that was a lie. Then everything comes into a question and that is really uncomfortable.
There are 51,000 israelis over the age of 90.I think it's cleaner to track against total population when comparing country-to-country over time if you're trying to parse out the impact of vaccination on infections/deaths. Better apples-to-apples. If you only use vaccine-eligible for the denominator then that number changes over time and you wouldn't have consistent data to compare.
Here's recent data from Isreal. And you're right that ~85% of adults are vaccinated. So you have to look at case rates and severity. The article below notes that even though only 14% of adults are unvaccinated in Isreal, they make up 100% of ECMO patients.
Just try to do the math on the "over 90" group. The chart is per 100,000. Cut that in half right out of the gate. Then cut it down to covid cases. Then cut it down to "severe" covid cases.
It's probably like 2 vaxxed and 3 unvaxxed people in reality, but if you present the numbers in a certain way that fits the narrative, go for it.
You might be missing the bigger picture here. Public policy now does acknowledge it, but the cult will ignore that too. They have no choice, because the alternative is to admit that you became passionate about something that was a lie. Then everything comes into a question and that is really uncomfortable.
sorryantivaxxer.com | stories of anti-vaxxers who died from COVID.
They thought COVID was a scam, until they lay dying from it. sorryantivaxxer.com tells their story using their own facebook and twitter posts.
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It's not down to 2 and 3 people. It's per 100k population - not per 100k COVID cases- so if the actual pop is ~50k then the actual numbers are half what is shown in the chart. So like 45, 7, and 25.
Interesting you picked on the over 90 group - if anything that's the group that suggests the vaccines are least effective.
