Boom Natural Immunity
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Let's go with the 30-39 age range if that helps. 1.2 million people, so you have about 70 that have had severe covid and apparently all of them are unvaccinated. Take it over 2 years and you're talking about 3 people per month. #perspective
These are case rates per 100k population. That's not a total for the entire pandemic - it's how many people per 100k currently have a case of severe COVID (however Israel defines "severe"). It's not a number that goes up over time it's a number that fluctuates depending on current conditions. #peoplewhocantreadchartsgoodandwannalearntodootherstuffgoodto
Ok, then go back to the 80+ age group if we are talking about current cases and reconcile those two numbers. Tell me how you get to a decimal point.
The often sited per 100k is mostly hocus pocus
* Who counts as ‘unvaccinated’ 1/2/3 jabs, how many days , etc.
* The denominator is debatable and in fact the UK had two different models based on different assumptions and denominators. Of course they publish the ones that make vaccine look better
* For covid versus with covid
* Overcounting unvaccinated at hospital admissions. No vax card? unvaccinated 🙄
The deck is stacked and still the data looks terrible
In this case, there is no possible way that we aren't talking about an extremely small number of people. It is broken down to such a small subsection of the total population that it literally can't be greater than just a handful of people.
Yea data can be easily manipulated. You demonstrate this regularly.
Overcounting at hospital admissions is absurd. My wife works in medical records and she laughs hysterically at these kinds of arguments. In her system at least vaccination status is self reported. And they have consistently had 95%+ unvaxxed for COVID hospitalizations.
So either vaccinated people are lying en-masse to her hospital system, she's in on the conspiracy, or you're out to lunch.
Wait - I think I understand your question.
Are you asking how you can have a decimal point for a "per 100k" rate when the actual population is below 100k? I think you are but you're probably going to spin it as something else when you realize how dumb this is.
Unless 100k is perfectly divisible by population total, you're almost always going to have a decimal point rate. I'll randomly pick some numbers and do the math for you.
Population: 32,459
Severe COVID: 8
100,000/32,459 =3.08080963...
8*3.08080963 = 24.646 per 100k
#math
OK. So let's assume that there is a static denominator here of (x) number of people. It covers literally everybody in the total group. If you add a+b+c in those groups it equals a rational number. Somehow, we have a+b+c not equalling an rational number. We have broken this down into subgroups that include a rational number because there isn't a partial person out there.
Now let's look at the subsects:
Total people = 50,000
Total possible time frame: 1/52nd
Maximum total in any subsect by category: 46 - other subsects - 1/52.
We are talking about a tiny number of people. Probably 3 or 4 max.
This isn't about me. It's about transparency and accuracy of public health data. But nice try. Look, everyone knows you are a weak ass data scientist sitting around moping at your actuarial desk job taking orders every day.
I hope that has riled you up enough to answer. What 'misinformation' are you accusing me of? Please don't disappoint me with more Rays nonsense. Let's compare my covid record in the dungeon and here to your record shall we? I'm game if you are.
LOL. Good luck riling me up.
You literally just said that hospitals are counting people as "unvaxxed" if they don't have their vax card on them at time of admission thus inflating hospital unvaxxed COVID numbers. We're just nameless internet posters here, but I personally have a first hand source in a local hospital system that knows that's bogus because they track that via patient self report. Do you have some kind of evidence to the contrary?
Ok you've got the math figured out. It's only a "misrepresentation" if you're shitty at understanding data - which granted most people are. The purpose is to normalize the data so you can compare different populations.
Whether it's per 100k, per 10, or per 1 googleplex, it tells you exactly the same thing. Now, if the data source constantly changes the rate to suit a narrative - for example publishing different population groups at different rates to create the impression that one group is worse than another, that would be a problem.
If I reported the US in per 100k and compared it to a population reported at 10k without re-normalizing, then yea I'm probably trying to do something shady (or I'm clueless).
It's a misrepresentation exactly BECAUSE people are shitty at understanding data, and this is a perfect example of that.
Good luck with this. He’s just making stuff up. Hospitals take a history and have questionnaire intake forms. They absolutely never ask you for a vaccination card in Florida. Your dealing with someone who has no idea about hospital policies sitting at home all day and hasn’t worked in a hospital a day in his life
I will have to dig, but be patient. It's been reported multiple times by different sources.
Even a North Carolina hospital admin got caught cooking the books. Most hospital admins are covidians like the bulk of mainstream medicine, and we see what covidians are capable of as far as corrupting the data. Especially when "pandemic of the unvaccinated" propaganda campaign was unfolding. You are citing a single hospital's policy. Do you have something that shows this policy is enforced at a state or Federal level? I can answer that one, it's not, and there is no consistency in reporting.
So let me get this right. Your claim is that someone - let's say a tourist from Spain presents to a local hospital with severe covid, and he or she is not able to substantiate his or her vaccination documents, they check the little 'vaccinated' check box on admissions? Riggght. And all the guys that got their vaccine at McDonalds to get a free big mac that tossed their vax card with the wrapper? Or the little old ladies that tossed theirs and so on?
No substantiation = no vax. Check with your resource again to make sure you are getting the right answer. Not saying your wrong, but did you ask the right question to begin with. Electronic substantiation is also allowed obviously, but we've dumbed it down intentionally in the US with paper cards and many do not have electronic records easily linked to a remote hospital system
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@Boosted87 Here is the covidian hospital admins in NC caught cooking the books. "We need to be really scary and blunt. If you don't get vaccinated, you are going to die".
Still working on the other stuff, but this should be enough evidence to refute your initial attack on my claims of falsified or "conservative" data coming from hospital admins.
Still working on the other stuff, but this should be enough evidence to refute your initial attack on my claims of falsified or "conservative" data coming from hospital admins.
Little more digging. Looks like the CDC considers my example a vaccination status of unknown.
@Boosted87 can you confirm with your source their policy on unknown versus vaxxed versus unvaxxed? How does that get reported up? If your friend is reporting unsubstantiated vaccine as vaccinated, looks like that’s going against CDC guidelines.
In 🇺🇸 I suspect unknown are lumped in with unvaccinated . In uk, believe they break it out
@Boosted87 can you confirm with your source their policy on unknown versus vaxxed versus unvaxxed? How does that get reported up? If your friend is reporting unsubstantiated vaccine as vaccinated, looks like that’s going against CDC guidelines.
In 🇺🇸 I suspect unknown are lumped in with unvaccinated . In uk, believe they break it out
@Boosted87 signing off for the night. I hope you drill down and read all the replies to that tweet. It has links to blogs.
Please ask your friend if they are reporting unsubstantiated as unknown. Would like to understand this better. Never said it goes on everywhere .
Pandemic of the unvaccinated propaganda campaign encouraged CNN loving liberal hospital admins to be criminal or “conservative” in reporting . That campaign is winding down now, so maybe we’ll get real data and stop fooling ourselves.
Please ask your friend if they are reporting unsubstantiated as unknown. Would like to understand this better. Never said it goes on everywhere .
Pandemic of the unvaccinated propaganda campaign encouraged CNN loving liberal hospital admins to be criminal or “conservative” in reporting . That campaign is winding down now, so maybe we’ll get real data and stop fooling ourselves.
Man thanks @Boston.Knight for your tireless "research" this could end up being bigger than your stock market crash claim of 2011.
Good thing you bought gold during the best performing decade in DJIA history.
Keep up the good fight, one day you'll stumble on the truth about chemtrails.
Good thing you bought gold during the best performing decade in DJIA history.
Keep up the good fight, one day you'll stumble on the truth about chemtrails.
I think it’s hilarious that when any educated, sane poster comes to the WC to have an honest, educated and innocent conversation with @Boston.Knight , @Crazyhole or @UCFBS they instantly become super annoyed with their complete lack of knowledge in the subject matter. The visiting posters abandon them after a short back and forth conversation, until they figure out how crazy they are and discredit them like the rest of us
NEVER TO RETURN!! 😂😂😂😂
NEVER TO RETURN!! 😂😂😂😂
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Yes, to you everytime you post. Isn’t it time for you to wrestle a Kreepy Krauly for pool cleaner supremacy? 😂😂😂😂
By the way your boy Nauti is a regular member of the nut job class, but thanks for playing
Boosted, do you see why the engineers in the forum are always right? We think critically. I’m shocked that someone who is doing something actuarial is so far off on this. Especially with all the insurers taking it on the chin for vaccine induced excess mortality. It’s literally your livelihood. But I also had someone in the dungeon tell me his actuarial brother had it wrong on natural vs vaccine immunity. That was 6 months ago, obviously their models are now fixed
Can you and your wife review this blog post and verify the technical accuracy of what’s being reported? I will get back to the author with any feedback you may have . I would like to understand a fudge factor to apply to public facing numbers
Can you and your wife review this blog post and verify the technical accuracy of what’s being reported? I will get back to the author with any feedback you may have . I would like to understand a fudge factor to apply to public facing numbers
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Speaking of insurers taking it on the chin. I really don’t know how the actuaries were and still are so upside down on this. Based on my good friend boosted going over his flu vaccine models from 1985, I suspect wholesale bias and disregard of state level raw data
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Safety of COVID-19 VaccinesSpeaking of insurers taking it on the chin. I really don’t know how the actuaries were and still are so upside down on this. Based on my good friend boosted going over his flu vaccine models from 1985, I suspect wholesale bias and disregard of state level raw data
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Hundreds of Millions of People Have Safely Received a COVID-19 Vaccine
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- Fever
- Headache
- Tiredness
- Muscle pain
- Chills
- Nausea
Serious Safety Problems Are Rare
In rare cases, people have experienced serious health events after COVID-19 vaccination. Any health problem that happens after vaccination is considered an adverse event. An adverse event can be caused by the vaccine or can be caused by a coincidental event not related to the vaccine.
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The Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson/Janssen COVID-19 vaccines will continue to undergo the most intensive safety monitoring in US history. This monitoring includes using both established and new safety monitoring systems to make sure that COVID-19 vaccines are safe.
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- COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.
- Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines under the most intense safety monitoring in US history.
- CDC recommends you get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as possible.
- If you are fully vaccinated, you can resume many activities that you did prior to the pandemic. Learn more about what you can do when you have been fully vaccinated.
Hundreds of Millions of People Have Safely Received a COVID-19 Vaccine
More than 539 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine had been given in the United States from December 14, 2020, through January 31, 2022. To view the current total number of COVID-19 vaccinations that have been administered in the United States, please visit the CDC COVID Data Tracker.
COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. COVID-19 vaccines were evaluated in tens of thousands of participants in clinical trials. The vaccines met the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA’s) rigorous scientific standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality needed to support emergency use authorization (EUA). Learn more about EUAs in this video.external icon
The Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson/Janssen COVID-19 vaccines will continue to undergo the most intensive safety monitoring in US history. This monitoring includes using both established and new safety monitoring systems to make sure that COVID-19 vaccines are safe.
Common Side Effects
After COVID-19 vaccination, some people may feel ill, with symptoms like fever or tiredness for a day or two after receiving the vaccine. These symptoms are normal and are signs that the body is building immunity. Some people have no side effects. Others have reported common side effects after COVID-19 vaccination,such as:- Swelling, redness, and pain at the injection site
- Fever
- Headache
- Tiredness
- Muscle pain
- Chills
- Nausea
Serious Safety Problems Are Rare
In rare cases, people have experienced serious health events after COVID-19 vaccination. Any health problem that happens after vaccination is considered an adverse event. An adverse event can be caused by the vaccine or can be caused by a coincidental event not related to the vaccine.
You were all good until you called all of the unvaxxed population naturally immune. All unvaxxed haven’t caught the virus and thus it’s not equivalent. But that’s just proving your point that we need to be careful with the statistics.
No!
There are countless TOP EXPERTS in the field telling the masses that Pharma is controlling the narrative and what they are doing is WRONG and You are ignoring them!
I thought you guys would wake up with the FDA and other experts publicly rebuked Pfizer'S CEO on 'Boosters' (re-vax), refused to budge being against vaccines for kids without clinical studies and then when the FDA refused to let expert panels decide.
The current set of vaccines were NEVER supposed to he shotgunned onto kids! Even other countries are coming to the same conclusions as the FDA experts did! Heck, many of them are now experts outside the US!
This is juts proof positive why mandates should NEVER be accepted, along with a narrative where there is NOT expert consensus! Get your fingers out of your own ears!
Ucfmikes ignoring recovery and saying vaccines prevent people from being out sick, as a valid reason for expanded statism is just more proof.
It's NOT about what has been proven, but ONLY about what you THINK and HOPE. Because if it was about expert consensus, then you'd be complaining like we are! So many MDs are pissed off right now too.
The CDC has lost all credibility, worse than before on flu vaccines, and the FDA destroyed itself in 2021, which is the saddest story of all. The FDA is now wholly controlled by Pharma, instead of being a balance of independent, expert panels versus a series of leaders friendly industry.
The later now controls, as they've removed the former as it kept shooting down new drugs, general vaccines, and definitely unproven vaccines on kids.
I didn’t read one single word of this nonsense. But I absolutely did make sure to give it a thumbs down.
Once again let me spell this out in a language that MAYBE A NARCISSIST CAN READ
YOU ARE AN ANTI-VAXER, ANTI-GOVERNMENT, ANTI-BIG PHARMA CONSPIRACY THEORIST WHO IS INDIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MURDERING COUNTLESS INNOCENT PEOPLE DUE TO SPREADING MISINFORMATION HERE AND THROUGHOUT SOCIAL MEDIA. YOU LACK SELF-AWARENESS AND HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO BE WRONG TIME AND TIME AGAIN REGARDING COVID
AND VACCINES. YOUR INCREDIBLE LACK OF SELF-AWARENESS AND EXTREME NARCISSIM DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO SEE THAT
ADDITIONALLY, THE ABOVE TRAITS HAVE MADE POSSIBLY A ONCE PROMISING CAREER INTO A COMPLETE FAILURE. YOU’RE INSECURE ABOUT THAT, BUT WE ARE NOT FOOLED BY YOU
YOU’RE AN UNHEALTHY 400lb MAN WITH A FAILED CAREER WHO
LIVES IN A SHACK IN RURAL ALABAMA. YOU ARE NOW AT BEST A PART-TIME I.T. SPECIALIST WHO PERFORMS ODD JOBS WHEN YOU CAN GET ONE AND KEEP IT UNTIL THEY CAN’T STAND YOU.
READ THIS 10 TIMES!
