The whole point of electronic balloting is to reduce the risk of mistakes or fraud. I'm cool with that, but as is evidenced by the video I shared it hasn't improved that possibility at all. IMO, this election isn't the issue, its that this election might have set the groundwork for fraudulent elections in the future if we don't take the threat seriously
You are smarter than this. This expert also said that Michigan had more votes than voters. Because his data was for Minnesota.The more concerning report is what is coming out of Antrim County, MI.
An independent security firm (run by a former Republican candidate for something or other) concluded "The Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results.” -
Results of Antrim County Audit of Ballot Counting Machines Released - 9 & 10 News
The results of an audit of ballot counting machines in Antrim County are being made available to the public. A judge authorized the release of the report Monday morning. A lawsuit filed last month by Bill Bailey led to the forensic examination, which was done by the Allied Security Operations...www.9and10news.com
Of course state officials have disagreed, but there are concerns here. Given the system is such that Biden will be President, there's no rush anymore. Let's take all the time that we need to figure out conclusively if there was fraud or not and to assess and correct any issues with the systems and technology in place.
Yes but aren’t we being told that the Union is lost when people don’t have faith in our elections? That’s not just smart people or political people, that’s all people.
I mean sure. It sucks that Trump is undermining the election and causing people not to have faith in the election, but him repeating a claim of widespread fraud 10 thousand times doesn’t make it so any more than him claiming Ted Cruz’s father killed JFK, Obama is not American, or vaccines cause autism makes those things true. It’s cool that you have “done enough cyber security” to think you know something, but eliminating these questions with software was the reason we increased our paper ballot percentage from 82% in 2016 to 95% in 2020. This was part of a massive effort to close potential fraud loopholes. For every instance of Hugo Chavez “flipping” hundreds of thousands of votes to Biden, we have actual physical ballots that beg to differ.
As President-Elect said tonight in his address to the nation, Trump's own head of cyber security declared this year's election The Most Secure in American History.
I’m glad that you’re perfectly secure in thinking that having paper ballots secure elections, but they do not. The mail-in ballots had very little security to them and the systems, whether manual or computer, were fraught with issues. We’re any of them exploited? Most likely. How many? Who knows. But you gaslight people asking reasonable questions. Just remember, the shoe will be on the other foot at some point.
Reasonable questions? LMAO. Nice try. You pretend to sound reasonable but you're as much of a partisan chud as our Trumpster wacko pack.
There have been tons of reasonable questions asked about this election. Some have had reasonable answers, but some have been ignored. In the end it isnt going to change who the president is on January 21st, but thats not a reason to not ask valid questions.
Let's not play games here. Following the election, the 'tons of reasonable, valid questions' were asked with the sole motivation of delegitimizing the election and keeping Trump in office
Meh. There have been tons of questions that regardless of outcome were pretty objective. Of course there is an element of wanting Trump to win but that doesn't invalidate every question that comes up.
Did the drop boxes in PA break the 14th amendment? Some people only had to travel 2 blocks to find one, others had to travel 200 miles. Is that equal protection? It was based on population density but doesn't it show preference to metro areas?
Soon after the narrator made this comment, he was arrested for child sex trafficking and distribution of Japanese anime porn that went against the laws of multiple countries.
The Republican that Trump hand picked to oversee these things said it was the most secure election in American history. Are there instances of fraud that make up a tiny fraction of the votes? Maybe. But there is no meaningful amount of fraud that could swing an election. Every county operates independently when running their elections and utilizes non partisan poll workers overseen by poll watchers who count paper ballots. There is a paper trail. That’s why allegations of running ballots multiple times or software flipping votes only make sense to people incapable of rational thought. After a while you are just grasping at straws here. Fraud is a pretty big claim. And thus far even Trumps attorneys won’t argue fraud took place in an actual court. They just plant seeds in the court of public opinion. And congrats, you ate it up. I mean the latest theory is that Hillary was “flipping” votes in 2016 to beat Bernie Sanders in the primary, but forgot to flip votes in the general election to win it. Or that they flipped votes to Biden this year but couldn’t spare a few more votes to flip the senate.
I don’t think you understand equal protection. Counties operate independent of one another. A county choosing to make it easier to vote doesn’t violate a law because another county chose not to. It’s the same thing with the curing process which was allowed in some counties. Some counties allowed ballot curing and some did not. It’s not an equal protection case where you would discard legally cast votes that were cured. The “remedy” in that case would be to allow curing in the other counties. Or level up. You don’t level down and throw everyone’s vote out.
There's no doubt that there are enough paper ballots to show that Biden won. That's kind of where the challenges went awry. There is no doubt that the possibility exists that there were hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots submitted but there is no way to prove it, so just move on and do what you can to make sure it isn't a possibility in the future
I'm not arguing one way or another on this, its just a question of what equal protection means. Clearly some places necessitate different methods than others realistically, but by the definition of the law we are getting into some gray area. At what point does practicality supercede equality?
The judge threw that equal protection suit out. Counties have discretion on running their elections. Allowing a cure process is not an equal protection violation. The measures put in place were meant to franchise not disenfranchise voters. The process had been on the books for many years but was only objected to after Trump lost. Etc, etc. There’s no meat on the bones of this one.
Its a federal crime punishable by prison time to commit election fraud. Meanwhile there are videos and poll watchers in place. The logistics of actually pulling off a fraud operation of this scale and recruiting people willing to do jail time if caught (likely) all across the country are incredibly far fetched. I mean you will always get the one offs like the guy who tried to vote for his dead parent in PA. But these things are detectable and the penalties too high for there to be systematic fraud.
Trump has nothing to do with what I'm saying. Equal protection is pretty subjective, but at what point is it obvious that equal isn't really equal? How is it even determined?
Equal protection is in place to prevent discrimination and protect your rights against such discrimination. Someone being able to fix an error on a legally cast vote or having a closer drop off location doesn’t materially impact your right to vote.
I could just as easily argue that obtaining a photo ID doesn't materially impact your right to vote, or showing up in person doesn't materially impact your right to vote. Where is the line drawn?
For your corrupt mailmen theory to work, it requires:
There was actually a mailman who threw mail in ballots out in 2020. I think he was just lazy and was throwing all the mail out, but it occurred in a deep blue area of New Jersey. He was caught. It was in the news.
Stop and think for a minute about the nonsense of it all.
Well it would be traceable...easily in fact...if thousands weren’t receiving their mail in ballots in the mail...you don’t think they would suspect the mailman?
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Keep in mind, you're discussing this with a poster who thinks a corrupt mailman can throw away enough ballots to sway a Presidential election.
Redo and force in person voting.
