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Charleston church shooting: 9 'killed because they were black,' official says

Maybe they're not racist. But that's what it projects to most anyone who views it, including roughly 100% of black people. That's my point- why even fly a flag that literally repulses an entire race of people that are your neighbors and fellow residents, if it's not meant to do exactly that?

I don't buy that southern white people fly this flag because they really give a shit about the Civil War. I've met several jackasses who wear Confederate stuff and it's typically to let everyone know that they're a racist good ol boy.

I don't care what it was- if I was wearing, flying, or doing something that was basically a giant middle finger to my black friends and colleagues, I'd stop immediately. To know this, and not stop, is either signaling that you're a flat out racist, or that you genuinely do not give a shit about how painful it is to the black people that just might be your friends or colleauges. Neither option is good or acceptable, IMO.

For example, I can't stand Yankees and their holier than thou New England / New York liberal bullshit and attitude. I'd much rather identify with the deep south. Other than the Confederate Flag, how does one show southern heritage and pride?
 
The only thing about this flag debate that is irritating to me is saying that everyone who flies/has one is 100% racists. That's a load of shit. Many of these country boys that fly it, do so because is says they're a rebel! At least that's how I've understood it from those that I knew growing up. Now i'm just your typical suburbanite.

"weeehooo! See my flag? I'm a rebel, the gubment can't tell me what to do, pew pew pew, gitrdone"

That's how I see everyone who flies the flag, but then again, I'm not black. I see fliers as wild-eyed rednecks not racists.

I do agree that it does not belong flying anywhere on state/government property given the government message using this flag back in the day. I think that is entirely disrespectful and ignorant.
 
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They may be a rarity but where I grew up some of my black friends who rode horses and bulls etc had rebel flag merchandise , clothing etc . Maybe we were the exception but we were all country folks here , all hung out together etc . Nobody gave a flying **** about slavery , a flag etc because we were all just friends . We must be a different breed of redneck
 
The only thing about this flag debate that is irritating to me is saying that everyone who flies/has one is 100% racists. That's a load of shit. Many of these country boys that fly it, do so because is says they're a rebel! At least that's how I've understood it from those that I knew growing up. Now i'm just your typical suburbanite.

"weeehooo! See my flag? I'm a rebel, the gubment can't tell me what to do, pew pew pew, gitrdone"

That's how I see everyone who flies the flag, but then again, I'm not black. I see fliers as wild-eyed rednecks not racists.

I do agree that it does not belong flying anywhere on state/government property given the government message using this flag back in the day. I think that is entirely disrespectful and ignorant.

Well, they're not racists but they're still ignorant bafoons. While they get to play "rebel" like a child, they're offending virtually every black person that they encounter along the way.
 
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Looks like the flag might be coming down. Congrats guys, we did it. Racism is now gone from SC*
Bet the shooter had no idea the flag is on state capitol. Debateable at best if it would do anything to actually reduce racism... But hey as long as all the smarter than the rest of world folks get a chubby grandstanding & scoring political points...
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Nobody said it would end racism. Why should the flag of those who wanted to destroy the country and were defeated fly on government property? What's wrong with a museum?

Also BT, your black friends were an extreme rarity.
 
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And for the record I never display anything but the American Flag and also don't display any confederate stuff because I understand many are offended and I care about that . My point is just that those who like to display it with no ill intent are not racist or ignorant or anything else IMO . The ones that are have a special place in hell
 
thats like saying just because some dude has an aryan nation tattoo on his neck, doesnt mean he's a racist...
I don't have a confederate flag and don't give a damn about defending its use . But to say anyone who guys one is a racist is 100% ignorance
 
And for the record I never display anything but the American Flag and also don't display any confederate stuff because I understand many are offended and I care about that . My point is just that those who like to display it with no ill intent are not racist or ignorant or anything else IMO . The ones that are have a special place in hell
it was added to the georgia flag in the 50s as a result of the civil rights movement...it meant something very specific when it was added and people that dont realize that are a special level of stupid...
 
For example, I can't stand Yankees and their holier than thou New England / New York liberal bullshit and attitude. I'd much rather identify with the deep south. Other than the Confederate Flag, how does one show southern heritage and pride?

Perhaps this whole thing is a big step towards Yankees not having a reason to feel holier than thou. But, in the meantime, if it's that important to you, take your pick:

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Petition begun to have monument to Confederate soldiers at Lake Eola removed

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/...-to-confederate-soldiers-at-lake-eola-removed

This is different, much different than a flag being raised over a state capitol ground. A flag is something easily put up or taken down, and it's an actual symbol more than anything of historical important.

This monument on the other hand has stood since 1917. It is literal history and one of the older things that exists in Orlando, which in itself makes it a "free standing museum". If you go to Europe there are countless examples of old monuments, buildings, etc that were put up to commemorate eras that current populaces would probably rather forget. But they're kept because they are part of the history of the city, and also serve as reminders about bad history and lessons learned.

Hell, I went through the arena in Nuremberg that Hitler built to stage his Nazi Party rallies. It's still standing and maintained by the German Government to serve as a reminder of what happened, rather than destroying it and pretending it didn't happen.
 
This is different, much different than a flag being raised over a state capitol ground. A flag is something easily put up or taken down, and it's an actual symbol more than anything of historical important.

This monument on the other hand has stood since 1917. It is literal history and one of the older things that exists in Orlando, which in itself makes it a "free standing museum". If you go to Europe there are countless examples of old monuments, buildings, etc that were put up to commemorate eras that current populaces would probably rather forget. But they're kept because they are part of the history of the city, and also serve as reminders about bad history and lessons learned.

Hell, I went through the arena in Nuremberg that Hitler built to stage his Nazi Party rallies. It's still standing and maintained by the German Government to serve as a reminder of what happened, rather than destroying it and pretending it didn't happen.

I agree.
 
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I'd like to see an open board between the white supremacists and new black panthers. It'd be like the fan forum when usf had fans.
 
This is different, much different than a flag being raised over a state capitol ground. A flag is something easily put up or taken down, and it's an actual symbol more than anything of historical important.

This monument on the other hand has stood since 1917. It is literal history and one of the older things that exists in Orlando, which in itself makes it a "free standing museum". If you go to Europe there are countless examples of old monuments, buildings, etc that were put up to commemorate eras that current populaces would probably rather forget. But they're kept because they are part of the history of the city, and also serve as reminders about bad history and lessons learned.

Hell, I went through the arena in Nuremberg that Hitler built to stage his Nazi Party rallies. It's still standing and maintained by the German Government to serve as a reminder of what happened, rather than destroying it and pretending it didn't happen.

I'm a geek for Orlando history. Here is a photo of that statue when it was originally at Central & Magnolia in the intersection, before vehicle traffic made it a hazard.

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For example, I can't stand Yankees and their holier than thou New England / New York liberal bullshit and attitude. I'd much rather identify with the deep south. Other than the Confederate Flag, how does one show southern heritage and pride?

The hell? Drink some freakin sweet tea and eat some grits. Why the hell do you care to show gang like affiliation? Steve A is right on. Take a pick of SEC hats and throw one on.
 
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The hell? Drink some freakin sweet tea and eat some grits. Why the hell do you care to show gang like affiliation? Steve A is right on. Take a pick of SEC hats and throw one on.

Sweet tea and grits are good but it will be a cold cold day in The hell before I put an SEC hat on.
 
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