Denmark tells Bernie to STFU

[UCFKnight85]

My company fired 40% of their workforce since they couldn’t compete with the tax burden to fund $97 Trillion in new spending.

Oh, never mind. Comrade Sanders has promised me a federal job! His tax burden destroyed the private job I loved so he could fund this government job I never wanted.

thanks, Bernie!

 

[Crazyhole]

My company fired 40% of their workforce since they couldn’t compete with the tax burden to fund $97 Trillion in new spending.

Oh, never mind. Comrade Sanders has promised me a federal job! His tax burden destroyed the private job I loved so he could fund this government job I never wanted.

thanks, Bernie!

Hopefully they've greased all of the moving parts on the printing presses.

Hashtag make the US great like Venezuala!

 

[fried-chicken]

In other words: “this article is pretty God awful for my defense of this socialist so I’m going to use the most vague possible examples to insist that Comrade Sanders can install $97 Trillion of new spending and not decimate our economy”

Ok

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

Bernie doing some massive love with an evil dictatorship. Not a great look.

 

[fried-chicken]

So a dude goes to the hospital because he was in China and was developing flu like symptoms. He's afraid he has coronavirus and doesn't want it to spread after seeing it in China. He gets tested and it comes back negative.

He now owes $3800.

USA! USA! USA!

I hope the next person who thinks they might transmit a global pandemic has better insurance or doesn't read this story because they may just try to tough it out and cause a coronavirus outbreak in the US.

Isn't this the exact behavior we want to encourage? Why is this dude getting screwed? That's right, our system is horse shit.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/health-care/article240476806.html

 

[Crazyhole]

So a dude goes to the hospital because he was in China and was developing flu like symptoms. He's afraid he has coronavirus and doesn't want it to spread after seeing it in China. He gets tested and it comes back negative.

He now owes $3800.

USA! USA! USA!

I hope the next person who thinks they might transmit a global pandemic has better insurance or doesn't read this story because they may just try to tough it out and cause a coronavirus outbreak in the US.

Isn't this the exact behavior we want to encourage? Why is this dude getting screwed? That's right, our system is horse shit.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/health-care/article240476806.html

Good for the hospital. They should be able to make as much money as possible when the patient doesn't ask what they charge.

 

[fried-chicken]

Good for the hospital. They should be able to make as much money as possible when the patient doesn't ask what they charge.

Pandemic it is.

 

[sk8knight]

So a dude goes to the hospital because he was in China and was developing flu like symptoms. He's afraid he has coronavirus and doesn't want it to spread after seeing it in China. He gets tested and it comes back negative.

He now owes $3800.

USA! USA! USA!

I hope the next person who thinks they might transmit a global pandemic has better insurance or doesn't read this story because they may just try to tough it out and cause a coronavirus outbreak in the US.

Isn't this the exact behavior we want to encourage? Why is this dude getting screwed? That's right, our system is horse shit.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/health-care/article240476806.html

So, you are leaving out the part of the article where it says that insurance is paying for more than half of it as long as he submits some documentation. Simply put, the overall bill was $3300; he is not going to pay that much. Way to cherry-pick a story that is already biased to make an anti-trump and anti-insurance slant.

You are also missing all of the context of the conversations that he had with his medical provider and all of the decisions that he made where he steered his diagnosis and treatment. Also missing all of the information that he was presented with when he bought his plan that told him what he'd have to do on a claim. If he didn't read any of that stuff to make an informed decision, that's on him.

Also, Florida has been trying to get out in front of Coronavirus in many ways, one of which is obtaining low-cost test kits from the CDC for urgent cares and emergency rooms. Unfortunately, many of these were defective. I'm not sure that you can lay blame on insurance companies for that issue nor for the decisions made at the hospital.

 

[fried-chicken]

So, you are leaving out the part of the article where it says that insurance is paying for more than half of it as long as he submits some documentation. Simply put, the overall bill was $3300; he is not going to pay that much. Way to cherry-pick a story that is already biased to make an anti-trump and anti-insurance slant.

You are also missing all of the context of the conversations that he had with his medical provider and all of the decisions that he made where he steered his diagnosis and treatment. Also missing all of the information that he was presented with when he bought his plan that told him what he'd have to do on a claim. If he didn't read any of that stuff to make an informed decision, that's on him.

Also, Florida has been trying to get out in front of Coronavirus in many ways, one of which is obtaining low-cost test kits from the CDC for urgent cares and emergency rooms. Unfortunately, many of these were defective. I'm not sure that you can lay blame on insurance companies for that issue nor for the decisions made at the hospital.

What rationale could there be with someone attempting to contain the spread of a global pandemic paying a single dime. We should probably be PAYING people to get tested if they think they have coronavirus to encourage catching this shit early, not having people wonder if they're gonna be hit with a 2 grand bill for doing something that could save hundreds of lives.

What is wrong with yall?

 

[sk8knight]

What rationale could there be with someone attempting to contain the spread of a global pandemic paying a single dime. We should probably be PAYING people to get tested if they think they have coronavirus to encourage catching this shit early, not having people wonder if they're gonna be hit with a 2 grand bill for doing something that could save hundreds of lives.

What is wrong with yall?

Go down the the hospital and pay his bills if it’s that important to you.

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

Go down the the hospital and pay his bills if it’s that important to you.

It isn't important to him to pay. He wants someone else to pay. Pretty much every solution.

 

[fried-chicken]

**** the dude who worried he'd brought back coronavirus, am I right? Shouldn't have gotten sick. Shouldn't have gone to the hospital. Next time put the entire country at risk both health and financially and you won't have to pay 3 grand.

 

[Crazyhole]

**** the dude who worried he'd brought back coronavirus, am I right? Shouldn't have gotten sick. Shouldn't have gone to the hospital. Next time put the entire country at risk both health and financially and you won't have to pay 3 grand.

Do you think the hospital should legitimately charge 3300 dollars for this?

 

[sk8knight]

**** the dude who worried he'd brought back coronavirus, am I right? Shouldn't have gotten sick. Shouldn't have gone to the hospital. Next time put the entire country at risk both health and financially and you won't have to pay 3 grand.

Did someone hit your repeat button?

Let me say this again, the Florida government is already planning for prevention and is acquiring low-cost tests. This is a valid place for government to step in, where something unforeseeable happen that threatens the stability of the state. Why do you think that insurance providers are responsible to prevent pandemics?

 

[fried-chicken]

Do you think the hospital should legitimately charge 3300 dollars for this?

Are you families with the basic economic of price elasticity? Treatment for coronavirus is probably pretty damn inelastic.

What consumer of medical services, who thinks he has the freaking coronavirus, is out price shopping?

You just made a great argument for single payer setting prices because people in immediate need of healthcare go to the hospital that's the closest and deal with the consequences of the bill once their life is no longer at risk.

 

[Crazyhole]

Are you families with the basic economic of price elasticity? Treatment for coronavirus is probably pretty damn inelastic.

What consumer of medical services, who thinks he has the freaking coronavirus, is out price shopping?

You just made a great argument for single payer setting prices because people in immediate need of healthcare go to the hospital that's the closest and deal with the consequences of the bill once their life is no longer at risk.

So the government WILL be setting prices under MFA. I can't see that leading to any problems.

 

[fried-chicken]

So the government WILL be setting prices under MFA. I can't see that leading to any problems.

Medicare sets prices now... of course they will put downward pressure on pricing.

 

[Crazyhole]

Medicare sets prices now... of course they will put downward pressure on pricing.

So why not just do price controls now and let me buy my own insurance as I see fit?

 

[firm_bizzle]

My company fired 40% of their workforce since they couldn’t compete with the tax burden to fund $97 Trillion in new spending.

Oh, never mind. Comrade Sanders has promised me a federal job! His tax burden destroyed the private job I loved so he could fund this government job I never wanted.

thanks, Bernie!

Mexico is sending you a check.

 

[fried-chicken]

So why not just do price controls now and let me buy my own insurance as I see fit?

Because that's socialism or something right?

 

[Crazyhole]

Because that's socialism or something right?

No, not at all. In a market where people are incapable of making their own choices, price controls are the only way to go so that the free market can continue to exist. It will lead to increased quality of care because quality will no longer be wasted by providers on things that are unnecessary. It's a very static amount of supply that shouldnt be split up any more than is possible.

 

[fried-chicken]

No, not at all. In a market where people are incapable of making their own choices, price controls are the only way to go so that the free market can continue to exist. It will lead to increased quality of care because quality will no longer be wasted by providers on things that are unnecessary. It's a very static amount of supply that shouldnt be split up any more than is possible.

This interests me. How would price controls be set up in a non single payer system.

 

[Crazyhole]

This interests me. How would price controls be set up in a non single payer system.

Carter did it with gasoline, but he didnt do it right which is why we had gas shortages. It needed to take into account demand in each market and set different prices for each city/town/village. It would be much easier with healthcare on things like pharmaceuticals where every market is identical. You couldn't do it to doctors who require different salaries because the cost of living isn't the same from state to state and you'd have to take into account things like fixed and static expenses for hospitals so we'd have to trust them to not game the system, otherwise the best doctors would move to small towns with low costs of living and expect patients to come to them. The alternative would take a ridiculous number of analysts to determine what a fair market value is for a provider to charge.

 

[fried-chicken]

Carter did it with gasoline, but he didnt do it right which is why we had gas shortages. It needed to take into account demand in each market and set different prices for each city/town/village. It would be much easier with healthcare on things like pharmaceuticals where every market is identical. You couldn't do it to doctors who require different salaries because the cost of living isn't the same from state to state and you'd have to take into account things like fixed and static expenses for hospitals so we'd have to trust them to not game the system, otherwise the best doctors would move to small towns with low costs of living and expect patients to come to them. The alternative would take a ridiculous number of analysts to determine what a fair market value is for a provider to charge.

So what would we need health insurance companies for? If prices are fixed and demand is inelastic then health insurance companies are just administering an identical product and they've already shown to have 700% higher administrative cost per user than medicare. They would be bad at the only thing they would do.

 

[Crazyhole]

So what would we need health insurance companies for? If prices are fixed and demand is inelastic then health insurance companies are just administering an identical product and they've already shown to have 700% higher administrative cost per user than medicare. They would be bad at the only thing they would do.

Insurance is a hedge, or a gamble if you prefer the term. I'm willing to gamble against major illness this year so I gamble lightly. If I thought there was a greater chance of getting sick then I'd pay more for the coverage.

 

[fried-chicken]

Insurance is a hedge, or a gamble if you prefer the term. I'm willing to gamble against major illness this year so I gamble lightly. If I thought there was a greater chance of getting sick then I'd pay more for the coverage.

Mother of God.