FDA issues vaccine warning
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Yes you can, and you will because you're scared that I'm right and it makes you feel safer by telling me how dumb I am. That's how confirmation bias works.
If you just want attention and that’s your reasoning to try and get it, then you go right ahead and believe it. You make a box 📦 of rocks 🪨 look like Einstein
Ummm, that's US Media BS. Look at the statistics. Of course they are going to play with percentages, but when a kid is 1/100th as likely to have serious disease than a 30-something ... that's still jack. We're talking orders of magnitude!
Seriously ... look at the statistics! The CDC is not hiding them. When I first brought them up, you guys said I was lying. Then when I shared them, you said "1 is too many." Well, we might as well get rid of guns too if that's the standard.
Of course, kids are still 2.5x more likely to die from pneumonia, let alone other things. You guys have not provided a single shred of any evidence or study, and I've provided the moon. Seriously ... you're in with the US Media on assumption, and the horror story I warned about is coming true!
(please explain to me how kids are the problem?!?!?! They are not spreading it!)
^^^ You are literally insulting me and arguing with me for things I never said.
And you say I don't understand mRNA vaccines?! When did I say no one should get them?!
And there was a reason the elderly had a priority early on under EUA. For some reason, you keep ignoring that!
You keep acting like these things were perfect from Day 1. You literally didn't care to read anything. Not even 5 words, forget 5,000.
I think @Ucfmikes posts every time another prediction of mine comes true. Although he's changed from backtracking to just continuing to lie about anything I've ever stated.
I've never been against mRNA and never said no one should get them under EUA. Although it is funny that no Pharma has produced any study that shows a reduction in spread/transmission beyond asymptomatic.
In fact, the 'shedding' claim has been debunked, so they don't even put it in marketing any more.
I've never been against mRNA and never said no one should get them under EUA. Although it is funny that no Pharma has produced any study that shows a reduction in spread/transmission beyond asymptomatic.
In fact, the 'shedding' claim has been debunked, so they don't even put it in marketing any more.
Ugh. What prediction of yours came true?
1) That the mRNA vaccines will have long term side effects? Wrong
WE JUST DON’T KNOW!
2) That the J & J vaccine was better?
Wrong
3) That young people aren’t carriers of Covid and don’t spread it? Wrong
4) That vaccines don’t significantly stop the spread and certainly more than the unvaccinated. Wrong
5) That Big Pharma and the government were in with one another to get the vaccines out prematurely? Wrong
Do I need to continue?
It’s obvious that they reduced spread. Just look at the damns graphs since the vaccines have come out. What other reason do you have?
You are lying. You don’t understand them. Otherwise, you would not say that “we just don’t know” about side effects. YOU DON’T KNOW, because you have no understanding or background in how they work. It’s not even remotely your field of study. The people who developed this mRNA technology have so much more knowledge on the subject matter that it would literally make you look like a caveman
He's just lying his butt off, taking a modicum of all my statements and applying them as he sees fit. Just like he said everyone shouldn't get vaccinated. He argues with what he wants to attribute to me, not what I actually said.
And he still cannot differentiate between disease/death and spread/transmission. That's what's killing most of us looking at the statistics, and how vaccination is not stopping spread/transmission. And now the first studies are coming in showing it's not.
All EUA vaccines right now have warning labels. The under-reporting of just immediate/short-term complications into VEARS is the US FDA's primary concern now, just as the NIH warned early on, and then showcased in the statistics of how many offices have never reported one ... ever (even pre-SARS-CoV-2 vaccines). They are much more numerous, and have nothing to do with inert compounds used in lipid bubbles that everyone stated 'was the only issue.' It wasn't, far from it!
I don't think people realize that some of the problem with SARS-CoV-2 isn't just the coronavirus itself, but how the body reacts. So if we're using spike proteins to cause the body to react, there are going to be outlier cases where the body over-reacts! Duh! That's why protracted development of a traditional vaccine works best, all while having far longer-term protection.
That's why I'm still hopeful that Ad type vaccines end up having the longest duration of protection. But in the same regard, they could also have the longest term 'reaction' too. And for some people, that's going to be an issue. The J&J Ad26 type worked very well on me, but I'm still having some over-reaction in my eyes. I've just chalked it up to the risk, as we have no tests or other ways to identify how one will react ... yet.
But we're learning more. Just like we now know what to look for in the case of young men after the 1st shot. Virtually all went unreported. Even the Israelis had that problem, but it was far worse in the US where doctors told them they were young'n healthy and didn't need to worry. After all, mRNA on the 2nd shot can kick the heart like a full blown varsity practice for hours in the right people, which is why we're seeing similar issues, and at 100-1,000x times the nominal rates for their age group.
I'm still hopeful long-term for mRNA being the 'way forward' in 'quick reaction' by Pharma that no other vaccine development is capable of, especially if the US FDA continues to hand out 'get out of jail free' cards. But considering kids don't get it, and don't even spread it orders of magnitude less than even what I originally thought (one things I was wrong about), and most of the major complications are affecting both kids and people under 25 the most ... I'd wait on getting a 2nd shot of a mRNA if I had a poor reaction to the 1st shot, if I was under 30.
The live, attenuated vaccine will be coming out of trial development soon. Hopefully it'll be under EUA next year. That has the most potential. And for those immunocompromised, a less capable, but safer, deactivated option will also be available too. That might come out under EUA first, earlier than live, attenuated too.
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I’m not lying at all. You have said it all. The problem is that your posts are too damn numerous and wordy to look them up. Vaccines stop spread better than no vaccines and only a fukcing moron like you would think otherwise
Why do you think that cases dropped dipshit?
Which 'cases'?
Serious disease and death?! Of course.
Those 45+ made up 93% of death and a similar mega-supermajority for ICU visits.
Vaccinating them, the highest risk group, after 65+ ended up being the right call.
Infections and disease, including testing positive? The opposite!
It's time for people to start admitting that vaccination is not stopping the spread/transmission, and that's now getting backed up by actual, real studies of secondary transmission.
I warned and warned and warned ... people like @Ucfmikes set the wrong expectation!
Heck, kids don't even spread it as bad as I thought ... so they aren't the problem.
It's us mid-aged, even us vaccinated, after the elderly in hospitals ... but we're the ones walking around, unlike the horizontal geriatrics!
Which is why you 100% make up what I said!
Case closed, you say my words come from your rectum!
Case isn’t closed until I say it’s closed. Look at the damn graphs you dumbass. Cases, hospitalizations and deaths have all dropped until when??? Drumroll
People stopped getting vaccinated. That’s why nearly all the new cases are the unvaccinated and younger people. Stop arguing with facts.
The only thing that you should be warning is Dunkin’ Donuts and a Chinese buffet before you arrive
Ucfmikes and I have had our fair share of debates over Covid-19. Last year he was adamant that we couldn't afford to have our economy crippled by the pandemic. Regardless of the risks, he said we needed to get back to 'business as usual' ASAP. At the time, I argued that we couldn't just wave a wand and magically restart the economy without a vaccine for Covid-19 because everything hinged on the public's confidence, not the dictates of our state and federal leaders.
But fast-forward to now and Ucfmikes has stayed true to his convictions. I admire that. While I may not have agreed with him about Covid then, I now strongly agree with him about the urgency of getting everybody vaccinated.
The fastest way to get our economy back to full-speed is for all Americans to get vaccinated. I find it incredibly bizarre how some of the same people who joined him last year in the 'we gotta reopen' refrain are now doing everything in their power to prevent us from fully reopening. What's up with that?
These be strange times.
But fast-forward to now and Ucfmikes has stayed true to his convictions. I admire that. While I may not have agreed with him about Covid then, I now strongly agree with him about the urgency of getting everybody vaccinated.
The fastest way to get our economy back to full-speed is for all Americans to get vaccinated. I find it incredibly bizarre how some of the same people who joined him last year in the 'we gotta reopen' refrain are now doing everything in their power to prevent us from fully reopening. What's up with that?
These be strange times.
We are already fully open and deaths are so low they practically mirror vehicular deaths. There's no reason whatsoever to think we should actively push for more vaccinations. If people want to, great. If not, who cares? All of the risks to society are now gone so we can move on and respect personal choices.
Yep. It's time to stop the 'we need to get to 50%, 70%, 85%, blah...' non-sense. The lockdowns were only supposed to be 2 weeks, then 4 weeks, then ... 4 months and ... yeah.
At this point, vaccinations are for those who want to protect themselves. Effective immunity is just not going to happen with mRNA vaccines. A live, attenuated, intranasal vaccine will likely be required.
So.., what reduced the spread then? Masks?😷🙄. Social distancing? 😂. Or was it the arrows on the floor at Publix?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What a dumb shit
The spread/transmissions aren't down.
You guys are confusing hospitalization and death with infections and positive tests.
Oh yeah. Scroll down to daily new cases and look at the dates. Dumb shit
United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
Do you bother to read your own sites? Seriously. And it's more than a week behind. Positive tests have been going back up on average since June, and definitely spiked almost continually over the past 10 days (over +10% now). Check the CDC and you'll understand what I mean.Oh yeah. Scroll down to daily new cases and look at the dates. Dumb shit
United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
Spread/transmission is increasing. It's not just because of the Delta variant either, although that is adding to it as it's now half the cases, no argument that it's hurting in addition. But this is what I have long been warning about.
Based on the 'expectation setting' you've made, you're going to justify lockdowns ... yet again. Sigh ... it's like stating 'facts' about something in capitalism that you cannot predict, and then the Marxists get to say, "You're wrong! We're taking over ... again!"
I'm here saying, "You're both stating irrelevant information based on assumption, control and hope."
I honestly don't know what is going to happen for sure. That's the difference between you and I, I've never stated what will happen, but only what the realities are, and what the risks are, based on authoritative details you never bother to read.
So.., which one of these bold words are important and why? You are mentally unstable, because you lack the ability to make concise points and thoughts. You are all over the place. Nobody can follow your moronic, wordy rants
The graph correlates nearly perfectly with the vaccines. Once again, you are making no useful point or relevant argument
It’s fun to show what he and dumb ass crazy hole write to people who study this and work on this for a living. People who research and have degrees from major institutions and rake in millions in research grants. They think these two are completely out in left field, wrong, and stupid.
Ummm ... that's not true.
The US Media and your assumptions are saying that, not all researchers and doctors, far from it! Many have been warning about the wrong expectations set, just like I have been repeating. But considering it's professional suicide to say it, especially grant-wise, and Pharma's not going to do it, it is what it is. But, case-in-point ...
When the CDC, not just the FDA, is recommending against 'boosting' with a mRNA, after having an Ad vector like the J&J, but some doctors are saying "it's safe" ... that's the 'wake up' call! Heck, one RN was saying "We have boosters for a reason" and "We cannot wait," but she even is utterly irresponsible with those statements, because ...
Those are FDA approved "Boosters" after specific vaccines with specific schedules, not this "It cannot hurt" that has never been tested ... not even clinically! The FDA came out and admitted after such comments that they've never even heard of any 'trial' where any mRNA was used to 'Boost' an Ad type, and only the on-going 'Booster' trials of the mRNA continue.
The FDA even clarified it did not recommend mixing shot #1 and #2 of any mRNA that was not the same, but the CDC 'allowed it' as an emergency to 'fit in the windows' if one wasn't available -- mRNA and mRNA, never Ad type with mRNA! They are not even clinically testing such now! Let me say that again, they are not even clinically testing such, and recommend against it!
This is utter misinformation ... by doctors and RNs!!! I honestly cannot believe what I'm seeing, doctors stating things that not just the FDA, but even the CDC, currently recommend against ... and utterly falsely mis-stating what a 'Booster' is! But it's happening!
Again, it's so bad that even the CDC had to publicly recommend against it, because TV reporters are quoting people, even medical professionals, to tell people to 'consider' it. I'll actually wait to consider until at least the CDC isn't against it! But I'd like to see actual, clinical trials!
This 'Pro-Vax' and 'safe' non-sense is going beyond nuts! This is a perfect example of 'misinformation' by even doctors and RNs at odds with the FDA and, even more so, the CDC!
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Ummmm. Yes. It is true.
I will give you two guesses as to whether I read the rest of your megalomaniac ramblings.
