If you want to live, yes.
If you like Russian Roulette and can read 5,000 word manifestos and believe them, then no
FDA issues vaccine warning
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If you like Russian Roulette and can read 5,000 word manifestos and believe them, then no
Wow. Look mom. I’m famous. I’ve been referenced in red and red bold. My lifelong dreams have been fulfilled
Follow the daily statistics. They don’t lie. Cases and deaths are rising. Older people are refusing the vaccines as well. Tell us all what happens next?
Where did I say this?
I have repeatedly stated the mRNA vaccines have massively reduced hospitalization and deaths, especially for 45+, let alone 65+.
Will you please argue with what I actually said?!
But the spread/transmission is not! Cases will continue to rise, regardless of vaccination, until mRNA shows it reduces spread/transmission. To date, no one has those statistics.
And now we're getting things like the NEJM study of nearly 1M households that showcase it's not even half. Ouch!
Cases or hospitalization/death? Why can't you see a difference?
The variants were going to happen any way. Alpha, Gamma and Delta all formed well before vaccines, and had spread heavily. Epsilon likely as well. Lambda, we don't know.
One of these days you'll actually read what I post.
Short version, in 4 statements (plus bullets in spoilers):
The US FDA now has warnings labels on both available mRNA (Pfizer mRNA and Moderna mRNA) and the Adenovirus vector (J&J Ad26) -- basically all SARS-CoV-2 vaccines in the US
- Risk of immediate/short-term complications a few in 100,000 overall in general
- This is not any different than many vaccines, even approved ones
- We don't have any tests as of today, but it's worth the risk those 30+ in virtually all cases
- Most believe 12+ are fine as well, but everything's still under EUA, and even the applications for approval are only for 16+ (mRNA) and 18+ (Ad vector)
- Long-term risks always come with time, and only time can tell ... no different than any new vaccine
- As of 2021 May, only 1 out 6 had ever put any SARS-CoV-2 vaccine effects into VEARS
- Before SARS-CoV-2, only 1 out of 3 offices had put anything in VEARS ... ever
- This is especially so medical practioners know how to tell the 'warning signs' before giving the more potent, 2nd shot in the case of mRNA vaccines.
- E.g., virtually every issue with heart inflammation of young men and teenage boys on the 2nd shot (requiring a multi-week hospital stay, although 90% were eventually discharged) were precipitated by issues, dismissed as nominal with nothing done ('safe and effective'), after the 1st shot (even though it wasn't for them)
- We'll continue to learn more as time goes on, but most of the immediate/short-term effects are far better documented now.
- Again, long-term effects will come with time, likely years.
- All in all, it's pretty mitgiated, considering the history of vaccines through pre-approval.
- Some, like myself, advocating waiting the younger one goes, because it looks like kids are not spreading it like older people, in the 15 month Berlin study
- That and the recent 1M household NEJM report shows mRNA only halves the spread/transmission rate, which won't result in 'effective immunity'
- I'm hopeful the live, attenuated SARS-CoV-2 vaccine -- currently in clinical development -- will be far more effective, and longer-lasting.
- There is also a dead, inactivated SARS-CoV-2 vaccine -- heading into trials -- for those who have compromised immune systems
- I've posted a lot about 'effective immunity' (links to various studies) in this thread: https://ucf.forums.rivals.com/threa...-it-take-to-achieve-effective-immunity.92021/
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Damn. Cases are rising so I guess the vaccines didn't do the trick.
Now you have to worry about whether the vaccine is going to kill you or if the virus is going to kill you.
No.. cases are rising because you uneducated, dipshit, no lifes, aren’t getting vaccinated.
@Ucfmikes ... sorry, but @Crazyhole has you there. We're vaccinating more and more people, but the statistics on cases are rising.
ICUs and deaths are down, but infections are rising. Why is that? Maybe it's because the vaccines do greatly reduce disease, but they do not stop the spread/transfer.
I don't know if that's going to be the case long-term, but I've provided countless, expert/authoritative reasons for this over and over.
Here they are again ...
First, how kids are NOT spreading it, but asymp mid-age and hospitalized elderly ...
Science | AAAS
science.sciencemag.org
Second, how mRNA vaccines do NOT even half the spread/transmission ...
So if >>70% of mid-age and elderly are vaccinated, and kids do not spread it ... where is your 'effective immunity' moving target 'headed to'?!
Once again, mRNA vaccines are safe, but anti-vaxxers continue to not be able to provide ANY study that shows that the risk of the vaccine is greater than the risk of getting COVID in ANY age group
Incorrect. We are not continuing to vaccinate more people. Tell us who’s dying? That’s right, unvaccinated people
Tell us who’s dying? People getting the variants
Tell us how the variants arise? They have been proven to arise when you don’t eradicate or slow disease. Especially when the vaccines have been shown to be effective against variants
Tell us who’s spreading the disease more?
Unvaccinated or vaccinated people?
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I don’t believe anything that you say anymore. You’ll lie just for attention and a feeble, sick and twisted attempt to prove a point. Get a life
Yep, vaccination doesn't stop the spread/transmission, but it does stop disease, ICUs or death, for the most part.
Lack of vaccination is not why the spread/transmission is continuing. It's that the current crop of mRNA vaccinations do not reduce the spread/transmission over being asymptomatic and mid-aged people being asymptomatic are spread/transmitting as much as hospitalized elderly.
@Ucfmikes says I'm telling people not to get vaccinated. No, I'm only pointing out he's wrong about vaccination stopping the spread/transmission. That's why we're seeing politicians pushing lockdowns again.
That's what I was arguing against, by not over-setting expectations on what vaccination would accomplish with regards to spread/transmission.
So.. what’s your answer? Not get vaccinated? It takes you 25,000 words a day to tell people that vaccines don’t stop the spread 100%??
Duh!!!!!!!!!🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
No feelings hurt. Just pointing out that you’re a habitual liar and seeking attention
Sounds like something that someone that got their feelings hurt would say.
It's fine. I understand why you are so sensitive about this subject now that the fear has set in. Just trust me, we are in this together bro.
But if I did, then we'd both only have a few months left. I'd rather carry on and tell the tales of Mike, the semi-feminine UCF fan that made the mistake of taking an experimental drug that killed him.
Meh. With modern advances with mRNA technology they'll be able to reattach it in no time. Then I can get back to banging your mom.
The current crop of mRNA vaccines don't even stop the spread 50% in the growing number of studies, which is no better, and possibly even missing the mark worse, than being asymptomatic with a natural immunity.
That's why there's never been any study to date that showcases they will lead to effective immunity. To date ... all we've had is hope and assumption. Most say things, but have no references at all for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.
But Coronaviruses are not like many viruses.
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Nah. She doesn't even look at me anymore. The attention is gone, but the sex is still OK.
Let’s use your dumbass logic. Nobody get vaccinated, criticize the vaccines as an anti-vaxxer, and roll the worldwide pandemic dice
Look everybody, I’m @UCFBS The vaccines aren’t perfect, so let’s just scrap them all and roll the dice with this worldwide pandemic. I’ll write a 5,000 word manifesto about how we should all throw in the vaccine towel, because.... drumroll
WE JUST DON’T KNOW!!!
Let’s see
1) Masks at football games
2) More hospitalizations
3) More Deaths
4) No tailgating
5) Less fans in the stands at football games
6) Continued wearing of masks in doctors offices and hospitals
More examples?
Hopefully this one will be a lot more lethal to quickly eradicate imbeciles who don’t get THAT VACCINE
#Darwinism
I agree with you that this whole thing is total BS, but short of military action with a superpower, we cant do shit. We need to disassociate them with us completely and that’s not happening as long as they manufacture nearly everything that we import cheap including antibiotics, etc
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After 6+ months and almost 2 BILLION first doses and 1 BILLION fully vaccinated, the chances of a good portion of the human race getting major long-term side effects is pretty slim. Additionally, in the history of vaccines, side effects occurred exclusively within 6 weeks
The problem is, we have weak leaders and nobody will take that stance. Someone needs to lay out a plan and present it to Americans to see if it will fly. However, there are many, many other reasons that we need to get rid of them.
Vaccines, yes. Gene therapy? No idea because it's never been done on this scale before
I do not know what’s required for FDA approval, but I’m confident that we will get there soon. Increased infections are mostly in the younger and unvaccinated groups, despite what @UCFBS wants to tell us all
