And thanks for proving my point. Arguing with you about this is like arguing with a 3rd grader
FDA issues vaccine warning
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Herd immunity means that for any 1 person that has the disease, they spread it to 1 person or fewer. It doesn't mean the virus is eradicated.
Herd immunity - Wikipedia
Derp.
We are fully back to normal life and numbers are dropping. Case dismissed.
Time fo you to get out and get some fresh airHerd immunity - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Derp.
We are fully back to normal life and numbers are dropping. Case dismissed.
I kind of hope that Trump announces a presidential campaign soon. That way, they'll start reporting on all of the side effects and deficiencies of the vaccines he created.
I didn’t know Trump personally created any vaccines. Are you sure he wasn’t lying to you?
He didn't, but as soon as he officially becomes a threat to be president again we will start hearing about how he rushed the vaccine production and (x) number of people have died with no ability to sue big Pharma for those deaths.
Trust me, Americans have more than enough stuff to blame Trump for without conjuring up any Covid vaccine boogiemen.
Because it’s political. Gotta see the murican concoction succeed.
I wouldn’t get that crap. That’s @UCFBS ’s
“Go To” vaccine. He’s so “detailed oriented.” He reads. Lol 😂🤦🏻♂️🙄
I like the mRNA technology, not the 70% max effectiveness BS vaccine
Nope. Do not confuse hospitalizations/deaths with spread/transmission.
It's looking like 'effective immunity' is now impossible, at least with the current mRNA and Ad vector vaccines.
The Gamma (P.1) will overtake Alpha (B.1.1.17) as the most deadly. But the current mRNA and Ad vector vaccines work better against the Gamma than Alpha. Most of the other variants are all less deadly than Alpha, even the original Wuhan-1 in many cases.
Yes, but you seem to be confused.
It is now known that Covid has an R/0 in the wild of 2.2-2.5. That puts the top end of the herd immunity threshold at 60%. 48.7% of Americans are immunized plus at least 10% of Americans that were exposed naturally. Do the math. Don't talk about variants being vaccine resistant unless you're willing to admit that the vaccines we have are no longer useful.
Why does it even matter? You wouldn’t get ANY vaccine anyway, so why should you even care. The vaccines have slowed the spread, so stop talking like an imbecile
The vaccines are useful for stopping death, hospitalizations and serious disease.
But people are still 'infected' with SARS-CoV-2, even when they are not 'diseased.' People need to stop thinking Coronaviruses are 'like other viruses.' They're not.
This thing is never going away. We're going to keep spreading it over and over and over. The Berlin study that showcased even PAMS (asymptomatic) middle aged people are spreading it as much as hospitalized elderly just confirms it.
And combined with the New England Journal of Medicine showing vaccination only reduces transmission 40-50% says everything.
I'll get the vaccine once I know it isn't going to kill me and is actually effective against the strains that also won't kill me.
Wait, that makes about as much sense as getting a vaccine which I don't know if it will kill me to protect against a disease that I do know won't kill me.
And your point is? No point. We only care about severe disease and death, otherwise we aren’t interested
You’re just not intelligent enough to understand something, so it’s not safe for you. Every strain has killed people, but the vaccines are safe. When you just don’t understand something and can’t comprehend how something works, you’re ignorant about it
You keep cofusing people who will not get either the mRNA or Adenovirus (which are using mRNA as well) vaccine for SARS-CoV-2 with anti-vaxxers.
I don't understand this.
I.e., A vaccine that has had 5+ years, let alone dozens, with revisions, improvements, etc... -- including the original vaccine being yanked/replaced -- over the years, is going to be 100x more mature, with 100x the knowledge, and -- most importantly -- actual 'risk factors' documented, most usually with 'tests,' is utterly different than what the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are right now.
People who don't believe in the former are actual 'anti-vaxxers.'
People who want to wait 12-18 months until the latter are at least US FDA approved, even if they don't wait 5+ years, are not anti-vaxxers.
It's still unapproved, and this is the first mRNA ever offered en masse. It has had no 'bake in time' and was, basically, invented in 72 hours after synthesis of Wuhan-1 by the Chinese.
If people would stop spreading the BS that mRNA is 'safe,' I wouldn't have a problem, because they are 'effective' for people, especially 45+, let alone 65+. But how can you tell a parent that their 12 year-old child needs to get it now, and not wait until they are 13 or 14? They still have their lifespan several times over ahead of them.
No study is showing any significant reduction in spread/transmission to date after getting mRNA vaccines. None. It's not even half. And now we have the Berlin study showing kids aren't actually spread it. Kids don't get it. They don't spread it. And we canno
In fact, mRNA vaccines are purposely going to be short-lived in effectiveness -- which is why Pharma loves them, revenue-wise! Again, mRNA are 'quick, dirty'n cheap,' with a 'return buyer' every year or so. They don't seem to work for influenza viruses (IV), and most others tried. Coronaviruses (CoV) may end up being a different story in the end, and mRNA becomes 'the norm.'
Live, Attenuated COVI-VAC, among others, should be far longer lasting than mRNA. But we don't have those yet. They are still being developed. Trials have not begun. And they may be too great of a risk in the end too. It all depends.
Mike's brain has been affected by the vaccine. You can't reason with him anymore. He worships at the alter of Lord Pfizer now and will always do what they tell him now.
And it's because they believe, like most people, that any vaccine automatically reduces the spread.
100% of us are infected, vaccinated or not, when exposed. The difference is how much our bodies fight it and limit how much the virus can replicate in our own bodies. That's how all Coronaviruses work, and why we've never achieved 'effective immunity' against any Coronavirus that has 'gone global' to date.
Even regional SARS-CoV[-1] and MERS-CoV lasted quite awhile in the region, and there are always chances they can 'flair up' again. OC43-CoV is still among us after 130 years, and it's still killing -- albeit far less than 100+ years ago, as the 'gene pool' of who it attacks has been 'thinned.'
My wife and I. Still trying to track down the details on Guillain–Barré syndrome. Allegedly there are only 100 cases, but that's likely under-estimated. Just like the mRNA inflammations were orders of magnitude higher, and nearly all not reported until the 2nd shot.
I.e., nearly all those with side-effects had their issues after the 1st dismissed, when they were 'warning signs.'
Like many of these early reports, they are under-reported, and that's why the US FDA puts the warning label on. They want people to report things, even minor effects, so they can study the details.
That's why they put the warning label on the inflammations as well. The US FDA wanted more practitioners entering information into VEARS than they normally would, and would likely dismiss as unrelated or otherwise not possible.
E.g., the Israelis were the first to show the rates were far more elevated for young men and male kids under 25, by over an order of magnitude -- 1 in 3-6,000, not 1 in 50,000, among young males -- than the US CDC's worst case statistics for that age group.
It really comes down to the age groups, risk factors and other things we just don't know ... yet. That's the thing. We all walked into this knowing there was no information on any of this. We accepted that risk when we took the vaccine.
Yes, that's the risk we took. For the most part, at least in immediate or temporary issues, it was likely worth it for 99% of us, maybe even 99.9%. But don't be shocked when all the varoius symptoms are 1+ in 1,000. People need to accept there were some, nearly all we don't know, and won't for a long time.
Heck, Whooping Cough was 3 in 100 for decades before they replaced the initial vaccines. We've had some others as well.
mRNA, Ad vectors, whatever is currently made available with full immunity for Pharma ... that's just reality. That's why I don't guilt anyone for not getting anything under EUA.
And now it's looking like the spread is continuing, even with vaccines. People want to assume or hope otherwise. But if the studies continues to show minimal reduction in spread/transmission, then everyone who pressured everyone else will have done it for nothing. Hopefully the next round with live, attenuated vaccines will reduce the spread.
But at least the mRNA and Ad types did bring ICU visits and deaths way down for those 45+. No one is denying that. But anyone thinking that is related to reducing the spread/transmission is grossly mistaken. Guilting people that they are killing others by not getting vaccinated needs to stop.
As always, we'll see. But people need to stop thinking we know anything. We just don't know jack about many effects. We're only 7 months into widespread mRNA, and 4 months into widespread Ad26 in the US.
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antivaxxer
noun [ C ] informal (also anti-vaxxer, anti vaxxer)
someone who does not agree with vaccinating people (= giving them injections to prevent disease) and spreads and encourages opinions against vaccines:
Anti-vaxxers see COVID-19 as an opportunity to rapidly create widespread hesitancy for vaccines against COVID-19 and, indeed, for all vaccines.
More examples
She is a fanatical antivaxxer who is often referred to as a "research scientist," but her field was studying fossils.
Some have proposed criminalizing anti-vaxxers who deliberately spread dangerous misinformation.
Anti-vaxxers have gone into overdrive, saying COVID vaccines will change ourDNA, implant microchips or sterilize us all.
He is an anti vaxxer (although he dislikes the term) who believes the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt, and that it’s attempting to spin up a coronavirus vaccine too quickly.
Sound familiar? 😂😂😂😂
You don’t understand the science behind mRNA vaccines, because you’re a dipshit who can’t hold down a steady job
You are a classic conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxer who condones continuing this worldwide pandemic and is indirectly killing people by spreading opinions that have no factual basis
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^^^^mad because he knows the vax is going to kill him. It's ok Mike, we will all mourn losing you.
I love the way the media is reporting on Missouri right now. They are the epicenter of the outbreak. We are watching a mass extinction event in real time. The Delta variant is sweeping through Springfield, devastating the population.
7 day rolling average for covid deaths: 0
7 day rolling average for covid deaths: 0
That's the thing about right and left wingers, they want to criminalize speech, including those of us pointing out that we don't know jack, and nothing has been approved.
The US FDA process exists for a reason.
Warning labels are added for a reason too.
We have so much under-reported information.
And we need to coalesce that information.
So we can identify risk factors and, later, tests for those risks.
Warning labels are added for a reason too.
We have so much under-reported information.
And we need to coalesce that information.
So we can identify risk factors and, later, tests for those risks.
I have never stated such.
Furthermore ...
The spread is NOT stopping! I cannot emphasize this enough! You set the wrong expectations that vaccinations were going to stop the spread.
I'm totally with you 45+ getting vaccinated, even 30+ for the most part. But stop pushing 50%, 70% and even 90%+ at each point where the former doesn't work, as 'effective immunity.'
No, the domestic Pharmaceutical industry is focused on margins, like any business, and vaccines are a very low margin industry. That's why we've had vaccine shortages in the US since the late '90s.
I never said 'corrupt.' I never feel the need to 'demonize', just to 'understand.'
The mRNA approach is 'quick, dirty'n cheap.' It may work out as a 'best, first defense' solution against new Coronaviruses (CoV) in the long-term, and may defined the 21st century as the new age of mRNA vaccine approaches ... that's a good thing.
But mRNA is not a pancea, and has sucked against Influenza Viruses (IVs).
mRNA did not work out well against common flu B/C strains, so it won't likely be used anytime soon for seasonal. There's on-going study if it can be used against new A strains that are typically regional and global pandemics, but it never achieved the efficacy it did like SARS-CoV-2 mRNA did.
But we are only now documenting immediate/short-term impacts and complications. We have no idea about long-term at all. That will only come with time. It may be nothing, it may be everything. It does look like young people, especially men, have trouble with SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins and the heart, but it's all temporary ... sans in 10% of cases in 1 in 3,000-6,000 of men.
But we are only now documenting immediate/short-term impacts and complications. We have no idea about long-term at all. That will only come with time. It may be nothing, it may be everything. It does look like young people, especially men, have trouble with SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins and the heart, but it's all temporary ... sans in 10% of cases in 1 in 3,000-6,000 of men.
Do you think this insults me or makes me look bad? Dude, this is a really horrible look for yourself, even as a troll. Forget me for a moment, why would you ever do this to anyone? I could care less what you say about me. But why would you do that to anyone?
It's a really poor look for you, and several other people who don't even like me think so too. You don't want to ever cross that line with anyone. But since you keep doing it ...
Understand I deal with your type regularly. I walk in and they don't know who I am or what I do, and other people then laugh at them. Heck, they are why I left (redacted S&P500 company) eventually, as they came in during acquisitions, and ran divisions into the ground.
Also ... you don't deal with consultants too much, do you? Especially not those of us the US gov't calls during the Tech Surges? I constantly get calls from all my former clients, contractors, employers, et al. Nearly all my work has been project-based. I'm not 'overhead' in most cases.
Seriously ... beyond the fact that I crap bigger than you, I work with leading people who could crap far, far bigger than me ... so I never, ever, in my life, would I try to insult others in such a way. I stand on the shoulders of giants, and am in awe of the people I work with. There's always someone with superior credentials, work, contributions, etc...
There's a reason I've worked in 37 states and 6 countries, at over 70 installations now. There's no such thing as a 'regular site' for people like myself. I'm not some general Windows desktop or server puke. But since you cannot resist ...
Maybe you should spend less time insulting me, and actually reading my bio in various publications or on various sites.
www.lpi.org
'Bryan's enterprise experience has focused on open source-based infrastructure in large scale (10K+ instance) data centers; primarily financial services and public sector. His work in the Americas includes some of the first and largest OSS storage, VDI and related IaaS, PaaS and DevOps solutions on behalf of several industry leaders.'
Those are HP, IBM, Red Hat and their countless, primary Partners and VARs, every, very powerful entities, especially government and financial. There is so much work in federal and financial, documentation and efforts, that don't even have my name attributed.
I stopped documenting my open source contributions when I crossed dozens of projects. Most were small, 50 line (or less) contributions, or just documentation and/or diagrams. Nothing big. I was never even a major Linux kernel or Debian maintainer either.
But I am referred on a 1st hand basis. But I never go 'tooting my horn' here, because there are far more powerful and influencial UCF grads on this board than I. I'm in my small niche corner. And, frankly, we're all 'peers' ... no one's opinion is really more important than anyone else's.
Also ... you don't deal with consultants too much, do you? Especially not those of us the US gov't calls during the Tech Surges? I constantly get calls from all my former clients, contractors, employers, et al. Nearly all my work has been project-based. I'm not 'overhead' in most cases.
Seriously ... beyond the fact that I crap bigger than you, I work with leading people who could crap far, far bigger than me ... so I never, ever, in my life, would I try to insult others in such a way. I stand on the shoulders of giants, and am in awe of the people I work with. There's always someone with superior credentials, work, contributions, etc...
There's a reason I've worked in 37 states and 6 countries, at over 70 installations now. There's no such thing as a 'regular site' for people like myself. I'm not some general Windows desktop or server puke. But since you cannot resist ...
Maybe you should spend less time insulting me, and actually reading my bio in various publications or on various sites.
Meet our Board of Directors
Linux Professional Institute (LPI) invites you to meet its board of directors. Elected specialists lead our organization on a volunteer basis.
www.lpi.org
'Bryan's enterprise experience has focused on open source-based infrastructure in large scale (10K+ instance) data centers; primarily financial services and public sector. His work in the Americas includes some of the first and largest OSS storage, VDI and related IaaS, PaaS and DevOps solutions on behalf of several industry leaders.'
Those are HP, IBM, Red Hat and their countless, primary Partners and VARs, every, very powerful entities, especially government and financial. There is so much work in federal and financial, documentation and efforts, that don't even have my name attributed.
I stopped documenting my open source contributions when I crossed dozens of projects. Most were small, 50 line (or less) contributions, or just documentation and/or diagrams. Nothing big. I was never even a major Linux kernel or Debian maintainer either.
But I am referred on a 1st hand basis. But I never go 'tooting my horn' here, because there are far more powerful and influencial UCF grads on this board than I. I'm in my small niche corner. And, frankly, we're all 'peers' ... no one's opinion is really more important than anyone else's.
I tried to warn everyone. This wasn't 4 weeks or 4 months, but it's going to be more like 4 years. We should have ended the lockdown after 4 weeks.
Again ... this is a really poor look for you @Ucfmikes. Disagree with me. Call me stupid. Troll me. But when you cross that line, with anyone, as others have tried to point out, it's really not a good look for you.
In any case, I'll still treat you to a beer in Section 129. No hard feelings come this fall.
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Imagine being stupid enough and nuts to not think that the ONLY REASON that cases and deaths have been declining in the United States is because of the vaccines. Especially the mRNA vaccines.That's the thing about right and left wingers, they want to criminalize speech, including those of us pointing out that we don't know jack, and nothing has been approved.
mRNA is a 'quick, dirty'n cheap' solution, not a viable one long-term.The US FDA process exists for a reason.
Warning labels are added for a reason too.
We have so much under-reported information.
And we need to coalesce that information.
So we can identify risk factors and, later, tests for those risks.
I have never stated such.
Furthermore ...
The spread is NOT stopping! I cannot emphasize this enough! You set the wrong expectations that vaccinations were going to stop the spread.
I'm totally with you 45+ getting vaccinated, even 30+ for the most part. But stop pushing 50%, 70% and even 90%+ at each point where the former doesn't work, as 'effective immunity.'
No, the domestic Pharmaceutical industry is focused on margins, like any business, and vaccines are a very low margin industry. That's why we've had vaccine shortages in the US since the late '90s.
I never said 'corrupt.' I never feel the need to 'demonize', just to 'understand.'
The mRNA approach is 'quick, dirty'n cheap.' It may work out as a 'best, first defense' solution against new Coronaviruses (CoV) in the long-term, and may defined the 21st century as the new age of mRNA vaccine approaches ... that's a good thing.
But mRNA is not a pancea, and has sucked against Influenza Viruses (IVs).I only state 100% factual information, and for the most part, I've been far more spot-on than you. You've backtracked from the get-go.mRNA did not work out well against common flu B/C strains, so it won't likely be used anytime soon for seasonal. There's on-going study if it can be used against new A strains that are typically regional and global pandemics, but it never achieved the efficacy it did like SARS-CoV-2 mRNA did.
But we are only now documenting immediate/short-term impacts and complications. We have no idea about long-term at all. That will only come with time. It may be nothing, it may be everything. It does look like young people, especially men, have trouble with SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins and the heart, but it's all temporary ... sans in 10% of cases in 1 in 3,000-6,000 of men.
Do you think this insults me or makes me look bad? Dude, this is a really horrible look for yourself, even as a troll. Forget me for a moment, why would you ever do this to anyone? I could care less what you say about me. But why would you do that to anyone?
It's a really poor look for you, and several other people who don't even like me think so too. You don't want to ever cross that line with anyone. But since you keep doing it ...
I can readily admit when I'm wrong too. I just try to share medical information as I come across it. Ergo ...Understand I deal with your type regularly. I walk in and they don't know who I am or what I do, and other people then laugh at them. Heck, they are why I left (redacted S&P500 company) eventually, as they came in during acquisitions, and ran divisions into the ground.
Also ... you don't deal with consultants too much, do you? Especially not those of us the US gov't calls during the Tech Surges? I constantly get calls from all my former clients, contractors, employers, et al. Nearly all my work has been project-based. I'm not 'overhead' in most cases.
Seriously ... beyond the fact that I crap bigger than you, I work with leading people who could crap far, far bigger than me ... so I never, ever, in my life, would I try to insult others in such a way. I stand on the shoulders of giants, and am in awe of the people I work with. There's always someone with superior credentials, work, contributions, etc...
There's a reason I've worked in 37 states and 6 countries, at over 70 installations now. There's no such thing as a 'regular site' for people like myself. I'm not some general Windows desktop or server puke. But since you cannot resist ...
Maybe you should spend less time insulting me, and actually reading my bio in various publications or on various sites.
Meet our Board of Directors
Linux Professional Institute (LPI) invites you to meet its board of directors. Elected specialists lead our organization on a volunteer basis.
'Bryan's enterprise experience has focused on open source-based infrastructure in large scale (10K+ instance) data centers; primarily financial services and public sector. His work in the Americas includes some of the first and largest OSS storage, VDI and related IaaS, PaaS and DevOps solutions on behalf of several industry leaders.'
Those are HP, IBM, Red Hat and their countless, primary Partners and VARs, every, very powerful entities, especially government and financial. There is so much work in federal and financial, documentation and efforts, that don't even have my name attributed.
I stopped documenting my open source contributions when I crossed dozens of projects. Most were small, 50 line (or less) contributions, or just documentation and/or diagrams. Nothing big. I was never even a major Linux kernel or Debian maintainer either.
But I am referred on a 1st hand basis. But I never go 'tooting my horn' here, because there are far more powerful and influencial UCF grads on this board than I. I'm in my small niche corner. And, frankly, we're all 'peers' ... no one's opinion is really more important than anyone else's.
I tried to warn everyone. This wasn't 4 weeks or 4 months, but it's going to be more like 4 years. We should have ended the lockdown after 4 weeks.
Again ... this is a really poor look for you @Ucfmikes. Disagree with me. Call me stupid. Troll me. But when you cross that line, with anyone, as others have tried to point out, it's really not a good look for you.
In any case, I'll still treat you to a beer in Section 129. No hard feelings come this fall.
Unqualified dipshits like @UCFBS believe that this is a random event and the sharp drop that correlates with the distribution of the vaccine is just a random happening.
The only reason for a recent resurgence in cases and deaths is due to people not getting vaccinated and the formation and spread of variants. People should not be fooled by the manifestos written by @UCFBS. It doesn’t show any knowledge about this, but a lack thereof.
He’s a classic anti-Vaxxer and his type is to blame for the prolonging of this pandemic and death
