“Have to have the payers to be the big time” I’m sorry, we have the players to beat Navy. One of tel he WORST teams in the country. Stop excusing mediocrity. Our 3rd string guys are more talented than Navy. It’s not about snapping your fingers, it’s the fact we have the talent and coaching failed us. Stop excusing it.
Gus Malzhan offensive genius? More like FRAUD.
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You really believe our second and third stringers are more talented? Because I don’t. Navy may struggle with recruiting for obvious reasons but some of those guys are and get D1 offers, they just choose to serve.
Just look at grad transfer Armstrong. He just looks small. And he’s starting because the lack of depth we have all over the field. Im not sure our talent is good anymore. You can just look and see we have no one anywhere near the capability to what we had on those 2017-2018 teams except maybe on the O-Line.
Heupel and his inability to recruit especially on defense has caught up. And some of this is on Shannon and Danny White too. The weird dynamics of basically two separate head coaches and teams destroyed the culture of the locker room.
Yes, our second and third stringers almost without exception would be the highest rated players on Navy. The talent excuse is decent for teams that have actually outrecruited us as of late like Cincy and SMU. But against Navy? Doesn’t jive.
I think we all are hoping for that but not necessarily because of Mikey K.
Titus is a 4* Jordan Johnson is a 5* They can’t even get playing time due to the talent ahead of them. Half of navys teams are 2* or not even ranked. If you think there talent is anywhere close to our 2nd or 3rd string, you’re literally out of your mind. Talent doesn’t translate to a better team, you’re right. But we are 10000x more talented and it isn’t even close.
Navy offense had there way with us. Our scheme was basically Bryce shadow the ball carrier. It's why he got 22 tackles. This is a bad scheme because by the time the tackles were made they had advanced 4 or more yards. Big cat was put in bad position. Navy basically let him outrun their coverage then ran by him. Navy running scheme is tough to stop if u never faced it. It's why Frost in 2017 was so worried about it that he actually ran the scout team to show the team exactly what to look for. With our DC he is still learning. It's why he put Bryce in that position. Since Bryce last team played Navy system. Basically a bag game on offense as well. Mistakes in Special Teams....We will get better. Gus I hope learns from it. We are not close to full strength. Also this team must gell together. Not till about the 8th game will we start to come together as a team. I do understand the pain and anguish many feel. Just remember it's only a game and give Gus this year a chance.
The university should have hired a a young assistant/coordinator hungry to make his mark.......Gus just seems to want to chill with his Maker's Mark...............
See this addresses this newly discovered we should win every game and anything less is reason to storm the gates and demand better coaches, outlook. We have a national championship-winning coach and more than a few desirable coaches underneath him. T-WILL, for however much I am disappointed in the D right now, is a very desirable coach. He was a big "get" for us.
We need some patience, especially with the injuries.
I’m not asking to win every game. I’m asking for a coach to not lose to one of the worst teams in the country. Quit misconstruing an argument. And quit accepting mediocrity. Nothing wrong in losing 2-3-4 games a season. There is something wrong when you lose the way we have to said opponent. Unlike you, I believe UCF should set high standards. If we applied how you think, we’d still be a MAC level team who’s hoping to go 6-6 every year.
Some more additions to the Fraud list list (from just ranked teams):
DeBoar = Fraud
(Chip) Kelly = Fraud
That’s a total of 9 fraudulent coaches just from the top 25 programs (before the games were played).
DeBoar = Fraud
(Chip) Kelly = Fraud
That’s a total of 9 fraudulent coaches just from the top 25 programs (before the games were played).
Losing a game doesn’t make a fraud. Are you incompetent? How is losses to Bama, Arizona st, etc equivalent to navy…
This Knightbrock sounds oddly familiar KoC did you find a new name?
Guys it's a loss to Navy not necessarily the worst loss in program history.
Let Gus and Co get their recruits in the door and then maybe start judging.
Guys it's a loss to Navy not necessarily the worst loss in program history.
Let Gus and Co get their recruits in the door and then maybe start judging.
You're being ridiculous and you are wrong. Keen had overthrows...and throws that hit the receivers right on the hands but the receivers dropped them. Noodle arm and Keen do not even belong in the same paragraph much less the same sentence.
I don't know what game you were watching, but it was not UCF vs Navy.
You have a very unhealthy and unrealistic view college sports in general and UCF football in particular. You need a more balanced perspective on life.
the ball doesn’t come out w zip and he throws low, doesn’t mean he can’t run the offense efficiently
“Expecting UCF to beat one of the worst teams in the country” bar is unhealthy and unrealistic. Wow. I’m glad you don’t have any power at UCF or Wes still be in division two with your ambition and the bars you’ve set for UCF.
*Any negative discussion about how UCF should be able to beat one of the worst teams in the country*
”wow must be KOC returning”
that loss is unacceptable plain and simple. Can’t believe a lot of our fan base has 0 standards and ambition for us. We’re not a MAC level school anymore and some people need to learn that.
Yes. I’m incompetent and you must be the smartest person the planet.
Really? There’s no difference in losing to Alabama vs Navy to you?
My quote about him being incompetent I guess was spot on. 😂 imagine thinking losing to bama and navy are the same… wow some of our fans…
It does sound like some of us are having KOC level meltdowns after 4 games with a new HC and having 6 starters out.
We need to have standards but we don't need to turn the fanbase toxic against a coach before they've had enough time to get the team up to standard.
We need to have standards but we don't need to turn the fanbase toxic against a coach before they've had enough time to get the team up to standard.
Loss is a loss, when UCF loss to LSU in Fiesta Bowl, they were on par with Eastern Michigan losing to Georgia Southern in the Camellia bowl. Puts a whole new perspective of how big of a failure the 2018 team was.
The only people who care about things like that are pollsters, and almost all of them see what they want to see and ignore what they want to. That’s why there are things referred to as “quality losses” by the pundits on TV. In any other sport a loss is a loss, and a win is a win. Nobody gets style points for who they beat or lost to. Nothing you and I can do about that. It’s the worst aspect of college football by a longshot. That’s why we all want a legit playoff. People have been programmed to think opinions should drive the end product. That’s why I’ve always said conference play is all you can control and the rest is out of your hands.
The fact is each team gets a schedule and that’s all you’ve got. You don’t get to swap schedules with people. Conference standings are determined by win/loss record….period. Not what some pollster thinks.
You are right in one aspect. Losing to Navy is worse than losing to Bama because it is a conference game.
If you actually take the time to dig into records of most programs from year-to-year (using final AP poll) here is the basic gist for 90% of programs. A “good” season consists of beating the schlubs on your schedule, go .500 or so against quality opponents and then have a losing record against elite teams. That’ll typically get you 7-9 wins right there. Better programs manage to win all thier schlub games, are above .500 in games against good teams and probably still have a losing record against elite competition. That’ll get you 9-11 wins. When you do all that and have a winning record against elite competition, then you have what we had in 2013 and 2017. You are then elite.
Our team right now looks like a average team at best.
tldr. Hopefully you agreed that there are acceptable losses. Alabama being one such loss. Navy not being one such loss.
I've broken my left clavicle before. Granted I was older than DG is, but I still don't think we'll see him before bowl season... if we even make a bowl.
yeah no point in playing in a Bowl game but if he recovered quicker than expected the last game or 2 would be worth it to get the series lead vs USF
Maybe it’s because I’m getting softer with age, or because we already have B12 invite locked up, but I’m willing to be a lot more patient to let Gus and his crew do their thing now than I would have been in the past
No. Your "sky is falling" hysteria and doom and gloom mentality are what is unhealthy.
Yea...we should have beaten Navy...and Louisville for that matter. We didn't. It's not the end of the world. We don't need to be hysterically criticizing the coaching staff and calling them frauds...particularly when they know far more about football than you do.
So am I but after 4 games we can begin to see perhaps a pattern of some questionable play calling and substitutions and a defense that doesn't seem to be any better than it was under Shannon (didn't think I would ever say that). At the same time, we do have new everything and a s'pile of injuries. Could injuries have anything to do with new strength and conditioning coach? Considering they were on the field for most of the game they seem to have held up as well as any players under that situation. They were exhausted.
I'm not surprised at the jabs against Malzahn as I know that, with any team, those will come when there is a loss compared to the existing high expectations. However, I do want to point out that I am very satisfied with the current status of the playbook and how it has been expanded well beyond what we had as a playbook with Heupel.
I do agree the coaching staff should be a little more judicious as to when to try trick plays or in the timing of various play calling and substitutions. Nevertheless, as an example, the timing and execution of the end around touchdown with Amari Johnson was a thing of beauty. We would have never seen such a play with the previous regime. I see lots of promise with the new playbook.
I do agree the coaching staff should be a little more judicious as to when to try trick plays or in the timing of various play calling and substitutions. Nevertheless, as an example, the timing and execution of the end around touchdown with Amari Johnson was a thing of beauty. We would have never seen such a play with the previous regime. I see lots of promise with the new playbook.
Never said the sky is falling. You’re actually the first one of us to say that. Literally all I’ve said is losses to Navy and the last minute of the Louisville game was absolutely unacceptable and that I’m having doubts about Gus as an offensive genius. Quit misconstruing an argument to make yourself appear better. I never said any of those things.
“They know more about football than you do so you have no right to criticize them” is the oldest argument in the books and it’s also the worst argument of all time. Let’s follow that logic for a second:
“Politicians know more about politics than you so don’t criticize a politician like trump, Biden, Clinton, bush, etc ”
“Historians know more about history than you so don’t criticize anything that’s happened in the past like WWII or Slavery or etc”
“Lawyers and congress knows more about laws so don’t criticize any law you don’t think is right”
when people make that argument for football I lose brain cells. Just because GM knows more about football than me does not mean he is smart, or knows how to make smart decisions, or knows how to manage situations. We don’t use that stupid argument for anything else in this world so stop using it when a lot of coaching has nothing to do with the sport itself and has a lot to do with how you handle pressure and what decisions you make in key areas.
Gus is this you?? Right now I would not compare Heupel's O to Gus especially after Heupel almost put up 700 yards this past weekend. While Gus is getting beat by 0-3 Navy.
You know what else we wouldn’t have seen? That end around that lost 5 yards on a 3rd and 10 with the game on the line. You know what else we wouldn’t have seen? Him run gatewood in with a minute left to throw a down away after Mikey lead the team all the way down the field with a chance to win it.
Malzahn is not going anywhere nor is he a bust. However, he is also demonstrating he is not this infallible coach that did not succeed in Auburn because of factors not in his control. He's made some questionable decisions and while he enamored many in the offseason, and talks about how the team won't lose a game even after losing Gabriel. He may not have the ability to back any of that up, and does what every coach before him does. Says what the program and it's fans want to hear, not the reality.
Heupel can be blamed, over and over, but if Malzhan and his staff can't coach up the team he does have over the course of a season I wouldn't expect significant improving results in future seasons.
Heupel can be blamed, over and over, but if Malzhan and his staff can't coach up the team he does have over the course of a season I wouldn't expect significant improving results in future seasons.
I agree. Those would come under what I said about needing to be more judicious with playcalling and substitutions.
I don’t care that the playbook is expanded. I want to see points and victories over bottom tier FBS teams by large amounts. We all know that Heupel is going fast and running up the middle there at the 12 yard line on the last possession. Does it really matter that we know what play is coming? Navy doesn’t have the athletes to stop his 3 plays (or however big we decided his playbook is today). That’s the whole point. How many different plays did he run with a questionably talented Tennessee team as they were stomping a mid to lower tier SEC team by 40? Do you think Tennessee fans care that he ran the same plays over and over against a team not equipped to stop them? Likely not.
You are discussing the Navy game. My comment was about the future. We need more playbook options overall so that we CAN beat not only the bottom tier teams but also the teams which you cannot beat with only 3 or 4 plays. I hope this makes my point clearer.
