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Gus Malzhan offensive genius? More like FRAUD.

You are discussing the Navy game. My comment was about the future. We need more playbook options overall so that we CAN beat not only the bottom tier teams but also the teams which you cannot beat with only 3 or 4 plays. I hope this makes my point clearer.
I’m not entirely convinced that an additional slate of plays that didn’t work against one of the worst FBS teams is going to be what puts us over the top against the conference leaders like Cincy (who we have competed with even in losses the past couple years). But maybe.
 
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I don’t care that the playbook is expanded. I want to see points and victories over bottom tier FBS teams by large amounts. We all know that Heupel is going fast and running up the middle there at the 12 yard line on the last possession. Does it really matter that we know what play is coming? Navy doesn’t have the athletes to stop his 3 plays (or however big we decided his playbook is today). That’s the whole point. How many different plays did he run with a questionably talented Tennessee team as they were stomping a mid to lower tier SEC team by 40? Do you think Tennessee fans care that he ran the same plays over and over against a team not equipped to stop them? Likely not.
I am concerned about winning as much as anyone here. But it seems that in the last couple of years we had no routes to exploit the middle of the field at 10-20 yards when the defense was giving that to us. I don't think we should totally focus our passing options on WR screens and sideline fly patterns when the defense is covering both of those well. I believe that the ability to exploit the middle of the field will be beneficial going forward, along with some other misdirection plays mixed in wisely.
 
I’m not entirely convinced that an additional slate of plays that didn’t work against one of the worst FBS teams is going to be what puts us over the top against the conference leaders like Cincy (who we have competed with even in losses the past couple years). But maybe.
Didn't work? Willingness to pass to the middle of the field is what got us downfield on several occasions, including in the last drive. We rarely, if ever threw there in recent years even when defenses were leaving the middle wide open. Even though we didn't win the game, I will say that 4 or 5 completions of 15-25 yards (approximately) over the middle is a positive compared to how often we did that in recent years.
 
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I’m not entirely convinced that an additional slate of plays that didn’t work against one of the worst FBS teams is going to be what puts us over the top against the conference leaders like Cincy (who we have competed with even in losses the past couple years). But maybe.
I do agree that an additional slate of plays doesn't guarantee victories. Of course, nothing is a guarantee. I just feel that having additional arrows in our arsenal puts us in a better position to take what the defense is giving, or exploiting their weakness/tendencies at any given time.
 
Take away the two possessions that we started inside navys 20 yard line which are like guaranteed points, and we scored SIXTEEN POINTS. SIXTEEN!!! Even JH wins that game. Gus is a fraud. Only putting together an offense that scores SIXTEEN points on there own against an academy school with all of our weapons? Get the fraud out of my University.
Exactly....16 points. Scary very scary!
 
I am concerned about winning as much as anyone here. But it seems that in the last couple of years we had no routes to exploit the middle of the field at 10-20 yards when the defense was giving that to us. I don't think we should totally focus our passing options on WR screens and sideline fly patterns when the defense is covering both of those well. I believe that the ability to exploit the middle of the field will be beneficial going forward, along with some other misdirection plays mixed in wisely.
For some reason Gus didn't want to use the tight ends for the first 3 games. Now when he does, we don't use Hescock (our good hands fifth year senior). What's up with that?
 
The execution sucks.
The playcalling is fine, even innovative, and ballsy.

I love it.

Sorry guys, but I love Malzahn's play calling.
We just need experience now.
 
I hope you're right brutha! :cool:
Special teams not being ready is definitely a coaching issue, although I loved the faked FG. A better block downfield and that was a TD.

Damn exciting playcalling all around, just missing execution. You have to throw the kids into the fire and force them to play for them to learn.

Everyone is second guessing Malzahn, but gives him no credit for when it's executed and works damn well. Best stuff since Kruzeck, and I like him more than Frost, let alone Heupel.

The system is getting installed this year for 2022, and hopefully our D will be better by 2023. I think our team rocks in 2023, just in time for the Big XII.
 
I’m not sold out yet on the game calling of Gus but remember under GOL once every 4 years we would get the perfect players for his style. Now Gus steps in and we aren’t perfectly situated with his style and lose a highly rated starting QB. Just not reasonable to say Gus isn’t a good coach. Add to that the fact that there were execution issues like protecting the football and tackling players all the way down to the ground.

I remember a past season when we lost all our receivers and I liked the new talent but there were issues with drops and QB WR not adjusting well to one another when QB needs to scramble.

Ofcourse I’m frustrated and yell at the TV while my wife laughs at me.
 
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Special teams not being ready is definitely a coaching issue, although I loved the faked FG. A better block downfield and that was a TD.

Damn exciting playcalling all around, just missing execution. You have to throw the kids into the fire and force them to play for them to learn.

Everyone is second guessing Malzahn, but gives him no credit for when it's executed and works damn well. Best stuff since Kruzeck, and I like him more than Frost, let alone Heupel.

The system is getting installed this year for 2022, and hopefully our D will be better by 2023. I think our team rocks in 2023, just in time for the Big XII.
I know it wasn't the most exciting stuff but I also thought Taaffe was a solid play-caller. Frost just had his perfect guys with Milton-Killins-Otis. I don't know if I'll ever be as excited for our offense as Frost's with MM at the helm. It was exceptional.
 
I know it wasn't the most exciting stuff but I also thought Taaffe was a solid play-caller. Frost just had his perfect guys with Milton-Killins-Otis. I don't know if I'll ever be as excited for our offense as Frost's with MM at the helm. It was exceptional.
Give Gus 5 seasons, 3 in the Big XII, and we'll be quite the program.

We literally have to give Gus (and T-will) the first half of this decade. We are loyal to our coaches, and that pays us real dividends -- both on-the-field as well as fiscally.

The UCF program was NOT in good shape at the end of 2020, and even before the injuries, our defense was poor and inexperienced. That doesn't change overnight.

I don't even expect our defense to be very improved in 2022 either.
 
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Give Gus 5 seasons, 3 in the Big XII, and we'll be quite the program.

We literally have to give Gus (and T-will) the first half of this decade. We are loyal to our coaches, and that pays us real dividends -- both on-the-field as well as fiscally.

The UCF program was NOT in good shape at the end of 2020, and even before the injuries, our defense was poor and inexperienced. That doesn't change overnight.

I don't even expect our defense to be very improved in 2022 either.
I'm with you 100. I like what I see so far. I am just not a fan of the two QB stuff, even if you do have a big dude like Gatewood. Other than that I like the scheming. Just commenting on the past play-callers.
 
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I'm with you 100. I like what I see so far. I am just not a fan of the two QB stuff, even if you do have a big dude like Gatewood. Other than that I like the scheming. Just commenting on the past play-callers.
But he didn't go to it until DG went down.

Gus is going to use games to figure out his offense for this season. It's going to cost us sometimes. But when it works, it works.

After all ...

How many of us were screaming to use different QBs in different situations, and Heupel wouldn't? Gus will! It just won't always work.

It's amazing how much Gus IS giving us 'what we want,' and now we're complaining.

Our real complaint is the state that Heupel left the program in, and how Gus just joined us in February.
 
Take away the two possessions that we started inside navys 20 yard line which are like guaranteed points, and we scored SIXTEEN POINTS. SIXTEEN!!! Even JH wins that game. Gus is a fraud. Only putting together an offense that scores SIXTEEN points on there own against an academy school with all of our weapons? Get the fraud out of my University.

Exactly....16 points. Scary very scary!
Overly simplistic thinking. You cannot accurately conclude that the play calling sucks or Gus is a fraud just because we only "scored 16 points."

Play calling is not the problem when a QB is not accurate with their throws or telegraphs their throws. Play calling is not the problem when receivers drop the ball...or fumble the ball after catching it. Play calling is not the problem when the offensive line fails to block and causes the running back to be tackled behind the line of scrimmage.

OH...BTW...having the ball in the red zone is not even guaranteed points, much less guaranteed TD's. If you look at even some of the better teams so far in 2021 the highest percentage of TD's when in the red zone is 76% for Ohio St.
 
Overly simplistic thinking. You cannot accurately conclude that the play calling sucks or Gus is a fraud just because we only "scored 16 points."

Play calling is not the problem when a QB is not accurate with their throws or telegraphs their throws. Play calling is not the problem when receivers drop the ball...or fumble the ball after catching it. Play calling is not the problem when the offensive line fails to block and causes the running back to be tackled behind the line of scrimmage.

OH...BTW...having the ball in the red zone is not even guaranteed points, much less guaranteed TD's. If you look at even some of the better teams so far in 2021 the highest percentage of TD's when in the red zone is 76% for Ohio St.
Those aren’t necessarily play calling problems on surface but you have to know your personnel and their limitations. A HC should be worried about the whole team anyway. Not calling plays. How can you talk to offense and watch defense at same time? You can’t. One of those doesn’t get done. He needs to hire a play caller that can go be with offense while defense is on field.
 
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Those aren’t necessarily play calling problems on surface but you have to know your personnel and their limitations. A HC should be worried about the whole team anyway. Not calling plays. How can you talk to offense and watch defense at same time? You can’t. One of those doesn’t get done. He needs to hire a play caller that can go be with offense while defense is on field.
He's says he's never giving up playcalling again.
 
Those aren’t necessarily play calling problems on surface but you have to know your personnel and their limitations. A HC should be worried about the whole team anyway. Not calling plays. How can you talk to offense and watch defense at same time? You can’t. One of those doesn’t get done. He needs to hire a play caller that can go be with offense while defense is on field.
There are several quality head coaches who call their own plays. The defense has an entire defensive staff to watch and take care of defensive calls and adjustments.

It's way too soon to declare that having the head coach calling offensive plays is a bad idea.
 
Overly simplistic thinking. You cannot accurately conclude that the play calling sucks or Gus is a fraud just because we only "scored 16 points."

Play calling is not the problem when a QB is not accurate with their throws or telegraphs their throws. Play calling is not the problem when receivers drop the ball...or fumble the ball after catching it. Play calling is not the problem when the offensive line fails to block and causes the running back to be tackled behind the line of scrimmage.

OH...BTW...having the ball in the red zone is not even guaranteed points, much less guaranteed TD's. If you look at even some of the better teams so far in 2021 the highest percentage of TD's when in the red zone is 76% for Ohio St.
The problem with that thinking is it’s 0-3 Navy. When Cincy picked us off on the Marlon Williams tip last year it’s understandable that our fortunes in a game against an exceptional team like that could be turned on a mistake. The Navy game should not have been close enough to where we can’t overcome even a few things going against us. That’s part of the problem with the slower offense. There are less chances to exploit our talent advantages and any mistake is amplified that much more. That’s how you lose to Furman.
 
Can people start naming coaches who called every play that has won CFP NC. Not Saban. He’s the biggest proponent against doing it. He’s the best to emulate. He talks to DBs and that’s it. Dabo doesn’t. 2nd best currently to emulate. Lane has given it up because he needs to manage the team. Not the offense. Last few years we had an offense vs defense mentality because Heupel only cared about offense and Shannon was forced on him. Malzahn calling plays got him where he is because his job was to call plays. Nationally speaking he was only great at Auburn when he had Cam Newton. Play calling got him fired. Yes that’s why he’s here. He’s the CEO not a Department Head.
 
We are not as deep and when we have injuries it shows. That said I don't like our speed which should be a strength. We are not slow but not the UCFast we are used to.

I hope we can recruit the speed needed to be a true Florida team. Part of it is a new system and players having to think but that needs improvement.
 
We are not as deep and when we have injuries it shows. That said I don't like our speed which should be a strength. We are not slow but not the UCFast we are used to.

I hope we can recruit the speed needed to be a true Florida team. Part of it is a new system and players having to think but that needs improvement.
Agree 8 starters out will change everything.
 
I’m not sold out yet on the game calling of Gus but remember under GOL once every 4 years we would get the perfect players for his style. Now Gus steps in and we aren’t perfectly situated with his style and lose a highly rated starting QB. Just not reasonable to say Gus isn’t a good coach. Add to that the fact that there were execution issues like protecting the football and tackling players all the way down to the ground.

I remember a past season when we lost all our receivers and I liked the new talent but there were issues with drops and QB WR not adjusting well to one another when QB needs to scramble.

Ofcourse I’m frustrated and yell at the TV while my wife laughs at me.
I mean a few dropped passes (TE miss and Receiver Fumble) reversed and the blocked Punt not happening, UCF wins this game.
 
Can people start naming coaches who called every play that has won CFP NC. Not Saban. He’s the biggest proponent against doing it. He’s the best to emulate. He talks to DBs and that’s it. Dabo doesn’t. 2nd best currently to emulate. Lane has given it up because he needs to manage the team. Not the offense. Last few years we had an offense vs defense mentality because Heupel only cared about offense and Shannon was forced on him. Malzahn calling plays got him where he is because his job was to call plays. Nationally speaking he was only great at Auburn when he had Cam Newton. Play calling got him fired. Yes that’s why he’s here. He’s the CEO not a Department Head.
Interesting!
 
And how is Harsin doing for Auburn? ;)
Auburn won at LSU for the first time since 1999, on top of being ranked in top 20 at 4-1 with only loss to current #4 in country on the road by one score. I am guessing they are pretty content right now.
 
Auburn won at LSU for the first time since 1999, on top of being ranked in top 20 at 4-1 with only loss to current #4 in country on the road by one score. I am guessing they are pretty content right now.
Not after Jacksonville State.

That was their biggest knock on Malzahn, that he would almost lose to teams they should destroy. Harsin clearly is another Malzahn in their eyes ... but they are willing to give him another 2-3 years. At lesat they are more loyal than some programs.

it's kinda ironic that they will stick by Harsin for themselves, in his first year, but bash Malzahn who is at UCF in his first year, and it's not his program or kids yet.
 
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Just wait until your wife walks by the TV and calls the play gustard is about to run just by the formation... and then she's right!! LOL!

War Eagle boys... better you than us...
 
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I think Harsin will be similar to Dan Mullen . maybe a a better x and o guy but won’t recruit at a high enough level .
 
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Take away the two possessions that we started inside navys 20 yard line which are like guaranteed points, and we scored SIXTEEN POINTS. SIXTEEN!!! Even JH wins that game. Gus is a fraud. Only putting together an offense that scores SIXTEEN points on there own against an academy school with all of our weapons? Get the fraud out of my University.
go back to tampa!
 
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