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Gus Malzhan offensive genius? More like FRAUD.

I didn’t want to have Lebby represent UCF as Head Coach w his Baylor stink. And he was probably involved much more than in the documented reports. Glad UCF didn’t take that risk
He was already a coach here. If we’re going to take moral high ground (which even then I believe people deserve second chances) then he shouldn’t have been a coach to begin with. But if he’s already been on staff before, there’s no reason for him not to be able to be a head coach.
Besides Lebby I do think there may have been a few other young offensive minds that could have been worth pursuing but that’s neither here nor there.
 
He was already a coach here. If we’re going to take moral high ground (which even then I believe people deserve second chances) then he shouldn’t have been a coach to begin with. But if he’s already been on staff before, there’s no reason for him not to be able to be a head coach.
Besides Lebby I do think there may have been a few other young offensive minds that could have been worth pursuing but that’s neither here nor there.
Head Coach represents your University, DJ Durkin won’t get hired as HC again but he is an Ole Miss Assistant

If Lebby got hired an Orlando Sentinel investigative reporters would have dug it back up. And before the Cam Newton stuff is brought up morally allowing SEC bag men to operate is not as bad in a NIL World as allegedly ignoring sexual assault allegations from female students
 
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Gus is a big name but a known quantity. Solid coach historically. Hopefully the recruiting bump from attaching his name to things turns out to be worth the hire. I don’t think he does anything innovative offensively in 2021. But if we can improve the baseline talent level he may not need to to succeed.
Agree with that. DG really wanting Lebby made me want him, but nothing more. Seems like with each coach there is this expectation of needing a GOL -> Frost quantum leap and I don't believe that's necessary, let alone even possible. We have talent and a very desirable coaching staff. We need to execute. We're arguably a couple of dropped passes and a blocked punt away from being undefeated. There was a moment in time not long ago when we were a Shannon-led team. Certainly, nobody believes that was the better option?

We don't need a magic bullet offensive guru, there is no magic bullet. We need better execution and a healthy team.
 
Agree with that. DG really wanting Lebby made me want him, but nothing more. Seems like with each coach there is this expectation of needing a GOL -> Frost quantum leap and I don't believe that's necessary, let alone even possible. We have talent and a very desirable coaching staff. We need to execute. We're arguably a couple of dropped passes and a blocked punt away from being undefeated. There was a moment in time not long ago when we were a Shannon-led team. Certainly, nobody believes that was the better option?

We don't need a magic bullet offensive guru, there is no magic bullet. We need better execution and a healthy team.
Very true, easily if healthy and a couple plays go our way we are 5-0. The injuries in the Louisville game hurt us significantly.
 
I would’ve rather hired Lebby. Lebbys offense is forward looking. Gus’ offenses were good in 2005. We 100% would’ve taken bumps with Lebby. But here’s the thing, Lebby has room to grow and improve. Malzhan has been doing this long enough to where what we are seeing now, is him. There’s no changing Malzhan at this point in his career. Which is really really worrying. Gus will recruit good enough to have us preinnally 7-5/8-4 in the big 12. Honestly, I would’ve rather taken a chance on an young offensive mind that can improve and grow rather than a finished article that isn’t even that great.
Thanks for the reasonable take / response.

One advantage of an established guy like Malzahn is the networking for positions other than HC - I wonder who would have been DC if we got Lebby instead. Also, do you think we could have afforded to hire him away?
 
Looking forward to improved recruiting but Gus also had the reputation and network to hire better staff than we had before. Hope it results in improved execution in the future as well.
 
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Gus is a big name but a known quantity. Solid coach historically. Hopefully the recruiting bump from attaching his name to things turns out to be worth the hire. I don’t think he does anything innovative offensively in 2021. But if we can improve the baseline talent level he may not need to to succeed.
Despite the baseline talent, I believe he, like all head coaches, will still need to succeed and succeed well. UCF liked going undefeated and they haven't forgotten how that made them feel.
 
Agree with that. DG really wanting Lebby made me want him, but nothing more. Seems like with each coach there is this expectation of needing a GOL -> Frost quantum leap and I don't believe that's necessary, let alone even possible. We have talent and a very desirable coaching staff. We need to execute. We're arguably a couple of dropped passes and a blocked punt away from being undefeated. There was a moment in time not long ago when we were a Shannon-led team. Certainly, nobody believes that was the better option?

We don't need a magic bullet offensive guru, there is no magic bullet. We need better execution and a healthy team.
And a flexible offense and defence.
 
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The ifs remind me of the last few years with Heupel. If Milton didn't get hurt, if players didn't sit out, if players didn't get kicked off the team.
 
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We were getting worse each year with Heuple. HE changed his whole play calling and offensive strategy from when he took over from Frost. And we won't even mention the defense under shannon. Without Gus and some transfers this year we might only have beaten BCC. Just my opinion.
 
He was there 8 years. I don’t think this argument applies much to him. He was there a long time and a school with those kinds of expectations are just going to change/move on, hoping that the change brings them something “better”. They have the resources/ money to throw around.

blah blah blah. If this logic was strictly followed every coach would get one chance to be a head coach and then be retired when they had a run perceived as bad. Nobody can beat the standard of being perfect every year.

Dabo wasn’t perfect before Sunshine and Watson. He looks like a pretty average coach this year. Maybe it’s time they move on?!?!?

Nick Saban was very average over 5 seasons at Sparty. That’s why he got sh-canned (or left before that happened). He was very good at LSU but not what he is at Bama, and even so this is the most extreme circumstance in college football.

Frosty was great for us but now he sucks at Nebraska. People have to accept that there isn’t some mythical “great” coach out there waiting to coach your team. You pick the best option when the time presents itself and we probably did. Only time will tell, though.
Y’all got the next Nick Saban
 
You are still clueless with ridiculously unrealistic expectations.
You don’t know anything about me. We’re a 3-3 football team who’s going to struggle to be bowl eligible. “Unrealistic expectations is expecting us to be better than 6-6? OH MY GOSH THE HORROR!” You’re still so blind that you can’t see how bad his offensive scheme is. Gus Malzhan will NEVER have a top 5 or maybe even a top 10 offense ever again. You just haven’t seen the flaws in his scheme yet… but you will, one day. And I’ll be here for you to apologize to.
 
You don’t know anything about me. We’re a 3-3 football team who’s going to struggle to be bowl eligible. “Unrealistic expectations is expecting us to be better than 6-6? OH MY GOSH THE HORROR!” You’re still so blind that you can’t see how bad his offensive scheme is. Gus Malzhan will NEVER have a top 5 or maybe even a top 10 offense ever again. You just haven’t seen the flaws in his scheme yet… but you will, one day. And I’ll be here for you to apologize to.
What should be his offensive scheme?
 
Almost forfeited 4 points or more trotting Gatewood out again on a first down in the red zone where he subsequently gang tackled for a loss. Keene just happened to connect on a tough pass on third down.

These type of play calls will cost them a game down the road.
 
Almost forfeited 4 points or more trotting Gatewood out again on a first down in the red zone where he subsequently gang tackled for a loss. Keene just happened to connect on a tough pass on third down.

These type of play calls will cost them a game down the road.
Probably cost us a game already!
 
Almost forfeited 4 points or more trotting Gatewood out again on a first down in the red zone where he subsequently gang tackled for a loss. Keene just happened to connect on a tough pass on third down.

These type of play calls will cost them a game down the road.
Agree with you but Frost did the same kinds of things in year one. I think I’d be alright with it if Gatewood threw it at least 25% of the time to keep the defense honest. Right now when he’s in we’re running the ball. I don’t get that. Without any regard for the game situation (under Frost) we ran plays as fast as possible, even to our detriment. It was equally as frustrating.
 
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Agree with you but Frost did the same kinds of things in year one. I think I’d be alright with it if Gatewood threw it at least 25% of the time to keep the defense honest. Right now when he’s in we’re running the ball. I don’t get that. Without any regard for the game situation (under Frost) we ran plays as fast as possible, even to our detriment. It was equally as frustrating.
Difference was, Frost was a first year head coach who was learning how to head coach and could improve. Gus had been a head coach for a decade now so what we see is what we get. Scheme isn’t going to get any better under Gus because he’s already learned enough and done this long enough.
 
Difference was, Frost was a first year head coach who was learning how to head coach and could improve. Gus had been a head coach for a decade now so what we see is what we get. Scheme isn’t going to get any better under Gus because he’s already learned enough and done this long enough.
I get that. If I was a zero year head coach, like I am, armchair and all, I would know enough to slow the game down with leads. We lost games in 2016 trying to run plays at warp speed, even with leads (e.g. we were up 24-3 @ Houston in the second half and lost). To me that was a sign of caution for him in the long run, that he just ignored what should have been pretty obvious. We got lucky we ran across a Heisman-level QB like Milton, along with all the other NFL-level talent. He had a special group of talent that was hungry due to many of them hitting rock bottom in 2015. He did turn them loose to become the best versions of themselves. I give the staff credit for that. Other than the one season, he’s a pretty bad head coach.
 
Difference was, Frost was a first year head coach who was learning how to head coach and could improve. Gus had been a head coach for a decade now so what we see is what we get. Scheme isn’t going to get any better under Gus because he’s already learned enough and done this long enough.
this is a legit concern and why some worry about ‘retread’ hires who may treat the job like a vacation. but I obviously hope it works bc UCF desperately needs stability
 
We’re looking for the magical combination of not an up and coming coordinator who will jump to a big 10 or SEC school after a few years but also someone who is motivated to improve themselves rather than coast for a paycheck. Maybe that’s Gus, but at least with a coordinator (generally) they are going to be busting their ass looking for that jump and the $5 mil a year power job. Maybe things change with the Big 12. What we have now is the guy we beat 4 years ago when he had a team with top 10 talent.
 
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