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DaShuckster

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...how Trump polls nationally at anywhere between 42% and 46% if you believe the polls. It's hard to fathom how over 40% of the American people actually endorse four more years of this shit we've seen from the Trump Administration.

On one hand, I understand the Conservative vs. Progressive dynamic which would actually explain a 50ish-50ish breakdown in most elections. But as a former Republican card-carrying member, why in the hell are so many of America's Conservatives supporting this President? Let's look at the rock-hard conservative principles I grew up with:

Fiscal Conservatism. Many folks were saying back in 2016 that Trump was actually a 'big-spending Democrat' in Republican clothing. What's the verdict after three and a half years? He's raised the deficit by trillions of dollars and has shown zero interest in lowering our federal deficit. During every Democrat Presidency during my lifetime, Republicans in Congress have been singing the virtues of fiscal conservatism. Hell, only a few years ago, GOP senators were publicly wringing their hands over our growing federal deficits. Where are those voices now?

Cold War Conservatism. Once upon a time, Reagan conservatives were bedrock supporters of our intelligence community (the FBI and the CIA.) They were also huge supporters of NATO and wary of the Soviet Union threat. But now? We are witnessing an American President who bashes NATO and buddies-up to Russia --- and get this -- sides with a ruthless Russian dictator OVER our own intelligence community!!! WTF? And real, true-blue 'conservatives' accept this??!?

Support for our Military Men & Women. "Suckers" and "Losers" to Trump. 'Nuff Said.

"Family Values." One issue voters can hold their noses and get a president who guarantees judicial support for their 'anti-abortion' cause. But at what cost? How can a true conservative stomach a presidency that has rocketed to an all-time record in the number of criminal indictments? How can a true conservative stomach the government's intrusion into personal freedoms? I find it ironic that wearing masks for health reasons in an infringement on personal rights but discriminating against one's sexual orientation is okay?

Protecting the Environment. Once upon a time -- before Al Gore apparently made science political -- protecting the environment was actually something most conservatives supported. They weren't "tree-huggers" but our Republican leaders understood the need for environmental protections in this country. But now? I guess the answer is to put on blinders and ignore what's going on around us.

If someone asks me why I left the Republican Party, my response is that the Republican Party left me.
 
...how Trump polls nationally at anywhere between 42% and 46% if you believe the polls. It's hard to fathom how over 40% of the American people actually endorse four more years of this shit we've seen from the Trump Administration.

On one hand, I understand the Conservative vs. Progressive dynamic which would actually explain a 50ish-50ish breakdown in most elections. But as a former Republican card-carrying member, why in the hell are so many of America's Conservatives supporting this President? Let's look at the rock-hard conservative principles I grew up with:

Fiscal Conservatism. Many folks were saying back in 2016 that Trump was actually a 'big-spending Democrat' in Republican clothing. What's the verdict after three and a half years? He's raised the deficit by trillions of dollars and has shown zero interest in lowering our federal deficit. During every Democrat Presidency during my lifetime, Republicans in Congress have been singing the virtues of fiscal conservatism. Hell, only a few years ago, GOP senators were publicly wringing their hands over our growing federal deficits. Where are those voices now?

Cold War Conservatism. Once upon a time, Reagan conservatives were bedrock supporters of our intelligence community (the FBI and the CIA.) They were also huge supporters of NATO and wary of the Soviet Union threat. But now? We are witnessing an American President who bashes NATO and buddies-up to Russia --- and get this -- sides with a ruthless Russian dictator OVER our own intelligence community!!! WTF? And real, true-blue 'conservatives' accept this??!?

Support for our Military Men & Women. "Suckers" and "Losers" to Trump. 'Nuff Said.

"Family Values." One issue voters can hold their noses and get a president who guarantees judicial support for their 'anti-abortion' cause. But at what cost? How can a true conservative stomach a presidency that has rocketed to an all-time record in the number of criminal indictments? How can a true conservative stomach the government's intrusion into personal freedoms? I find it ironic that wearing masks for health reasons in an infringement on personal rights but discriminating against one's sexual orientation is okay?

Protecting the Environment. Once upon a time -- before Al Gore apparently made science political -- protecting the environment was actually something most conservatives supported. They weren't "tree-huggers" but our Republican leaders understood the need for environmental protections in this country. But now? I guess the answer is to put on blinders and ignore what's going on around us.

If someone asks me why I left the Republican Party, my response is that the Republican Party left me.
I’m afraid he’s riding a wave of racism, anti immigration, anti science which he is stoking. I had a Trump supporter ask me if I had ever watched the Apprentice. I said no (truth) and she said that is who we need running our country. A strong man. Sigh...
 
I’m afraid he’s riding a wave of racism, anti immigration, anti science which he is stoking. I had a Trump supporter ask me if I had ever watched the Apprentice. I said no (truth) and she said that is who we need running our country. A strong man. Sigh...
I heard Jon Meacham on TV opine that Trump has been riding a wave of resentment by White, middle-class Americans who have felt powerless and ignored by the Bushes, Clintons and Obama. Trump was -- and continues to be -- A Giant "FU" to 'those people' who have been running our country. They are sick and tired of being ridiculed for their beliefs (including xenophobic, racist, and/or homophobic ones) and want someone who'll stand up and SPEAK FOR THEM by golly!

So no matter how shitty things are, Trump supports can chuckle about 'sticking it to The Man.'
 
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Trump is not a fiscal conservative and never has been. Its one of my biggest issues with him. I was ringing the warning bells about what his plan would look like in the end from day one.

The Cold War? Come on. Nobody would think a thing about Russia if it wasn't for the collusion hoax. They arent a threat to us and under Trump they have become less of a threat to their neighbors.

Support for our troops? He has had ample opportunity to start new wars and didn't. He pulled our troops out of the turkey-kurd conflict and it was solved peacefully. We've had like 30 combat related deaths on average per year.

Family values. The guy is a cheating SOB so obviously he hasn't been a great husband. His kids seem to adore him though, so he must not be a bad father.

Environmental? Nothing he has done has affected the environment so I'm not sure why this is even brought up.
 
Trump is not a fiscal conservative and never has been. Its one of my biggest issues with him. I was ringing the warning bells about what his plan would look like in the end from day one.
This is a legitimate concern of yours -- but you're willing to ignore all the other stuff?

Not what I'd call a ringing endorsement for four more years.
 
...how Trump polls nationally at anywhere between 42% and 46% if you believe the polls. It's hard to fathom how over 40% of the American people actually endorse four more years of this shit we've seen from the Trump Administration.

On one hand, I understand the Conservative vs. Progressive dynamic which would actually explain a 50ish-50ish breakdown in most elections. But as a former Republican card-carrying member, why in the hell are so many of America's Conservatives supporting this President? Let's look at the rock-hard conservative principles I grew up with:

Fiscal Conservatism. Many folks were saying back in 2016 that Trump was actually a 'big-spending Democrat' in Republican clothing. What's the verdict after three and a half years? He's raised the deficit by trillions of dollars and has shown zero interest in lowering our federal deficit. During every Democrat Presidency during my lifetime, Republicans in Congress have been singing the virtues of fiscal conservatism. Hell, only a few years ago, GOP senators were publicly wringing their hands over our growing federal deficits. Where are those voices now?

Cold War Conservatism. Once upon a time, Reagan conservatives were bedrock supporters of our intelligence community (the FBI and the CIA.) They were also huge supporters of NATO and wary of the Soviet Union threat. But now? We are witnessing an American President who bashes NATO and buddies-up to Russia --- and get this -- sides with a ruthless Russian dictator OVER our own intelligence community!!! WTF? And real, true-blue 'conservatives' accept this??!?

Support for our Military Men & Women. "Suckers" and "Losers" to Trump. 'Nuff Said.

"Family Values." One issue voters can hold their noses and get a president who guarantees judicial support for their 'anti-abortion' cause. But at what cost? How can a true conservative stomach a presidency that has rocketed to an all-time record in the number of criminal indictments? How can a true conservative stomach the government's intrusion into personal freedoms? I find it ironic that wearing masks for health reasons in an infringement on personal rights but discriminating against one's sexual orientation is okay?

Protecting the Environment. Once upon a time -- before Al Gore apparently made science political -- protecting the environment was actually something most conservatives supported. They weren't "tree-huggers" but our Republican leaders understood the need for environmental protections in this country. But now? I guess the answer is to put on blinders and ignore what's going on around us.

If someone asks me why I left the Republican Party, my response is that the Republican Party left me.
I cannot fathom it either. IS ANYBODY HAPPY WITH WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY!!!!
 
Ucfmikes says he's happy. He's told this board more than once that he's had a hell of a good year!

Ignorance really is bliss. These people are dumber than doorknobs, you honestly can't get much more ignorant than them.
 
This is a legitimate concern of yours -- but you're willing to ignore all the other stuff?

Not what I'd call a ringing endorsement for four more years.
I didn't vote for trump last time and I probably won't this time. The only reason I would is vis-a-vis Biden.
 
I legit walked out of my house 2 hours ago thinking the same thing.
 
I’m afraid he’s riding a wave of racism, anti immigration, anti science which he is stoking. I had a Trump supporter ask me if I had ever watched the Apprentice. I said no (truth) and she said that is who we need running our country. A strong man. Sigh...
Yep. More minorities are moving into the suburbs and jobs out of the Midwest. That Kenyan president was a fire alarm for the future of America.
 
Trump's daily behavior as president is a dealbreaker for me. I believe that we should have a president with some redeeming characteristics that kids can look up to. Charlottesville was the end for me "giving him a chance".
 
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Lol...who needs a roaring economy. Lowest black unemployment, hispanic unemployment, tax cuts, killing it on trade, etc. This was pre-sniffle virus.

Figured someone would pull the old race card. Can I pull the pedo card with Biden?

Environment I do think Trump is anti environment (who is). Industry and free market is starting to help here. Tesla anyone?
None of this is true.
 
Yup...like 6% of the deaths being covid only. Not saying it's overblown but saying you got to be a chud to be worried.
For the umpteenth time, the very definition of Chuds are those people who aren't worried and can't be bothered with no stinkin' masks.
 
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What part? I don't mind that you don't like Trump just curious pre covid he was killing it on all fronts. Or at least the economy was on fire.
All of it. You have Google, look it up. The economy was a continuation of the Obama run that finally ended. In fact, it somewhat declined from the Obama era
 
All of it. You have Google, look it up. The economy was a continuation of the Obama run that finally ended. In fact, it somewhat declined from the Obama era
Ironically, the Red Hats loved to describe the Obama years as "a slow recovery" and said that the economy really 'got rolling' under Trump. Yeah, rolling right into a ditch.
 
Ironically, the Red Hats loved to describe the Obama years as "a slow recovery" and said that the economy really 'got rolling' under Trump. Yeah, rolling right into a ditch.
It was the longest economic boom in the history of our country. The people who usually make these comments are sales guys or people in get rich quick industries that want to hurry up and make a fast buck. Long and slow works for the majority of America.
 
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It was the longest economic boom in the history of our country. The people who usually make these comments are sales guys or people in get rich quick industries that want to hurry up and make a fast buck. Long and slow works for the majority of America.
Its weird that people refer the the 2010s as a boom. Compared to 2009 yeah, but thats a pretty low bar. Its like Trump bragging about how many jobs have been created this summer because things sucked at a historic level in the spring. I've pointed out many times that we only had real growth in 2 quarters total during the decade. Not exactly something to brag about.
 
Its weird that people refer the the 2010s as a boom. Compared to 2009 yeah, but thats a pretty low bar. Its like Trump bragging about how many jobs have been created this summer because things sucked at a historic level in the spring. I've pointed out many times that we only had real growth in 2 quarters total during the decade. Not exactly something to brag about.
2011,12,13,14,15,16,17&2018 were infinitely better than 2010. It was slow growth but it was growth from 2009 to 2019. The key is consistency.
 
...how Trump polls nationally at anywhere between 42% and 46% if you believe the polls. It's hard to fathom how over 40% of the American people actually endorse four more years of this shit we've seen from the Trump Administration.

On one hand, I understand the Conservative vs. Progressive dynamic which would actually explain a 50ish-50ish breakdown in most elections. But as a former Republican card-carrying member, why in the hell are so many of America's Conservatives supporting this President? Let's look at the rock-hard conservative principles I grew up with:

Fiscal Conservatism. Many folks were saying back in 2016 that Trump was actually a 'big-spending Democrat' in Republican clothing. What's the verdict after three and a half years? He's raised the deficit by trillions of dollars and has shown zero interest in lowering our federal deficit. During every Democrat Presidency during my lifetime, Republicans in Congress have been singing the virtues of fiscal conservatism. Hell, only a few years ago, GOP senators were publicly wringing their hands over our growing federal deficits. Where are those voices now?

Cold War Conservatism. Once upon a time, Reagan conservatives were bedrock supporters of our intelligence community (the FBI and the CIA.) They were also huge supporters of NATO and wary of the Soviet Union threat. But now? We are witnessing an American President who bashes NATO and buddies-up to Russia --- and get this -- sides with a ruthless Russian dictator OVER our own intelligence community!!! WTF? And real, true-blue 'conservatives' accept this??!?

Support for our Military Men & Women. "Suckers" and "Losers" to Trump. 'Nuff Said.

"Family Values." One issue voters can hold their noses and get a president who guarantees judicial support for their 'anti-abortion' cause. But at what cost? How can a true conservative stomach a presidency that has rocketed to an all-time record in the number of criminal indictments? How can a true conservative stomach the government's intrusion into personal freedoms? I find it ironic that wearing masks for health reasons in an infringement on personal rights but discriminating against one's sexual orientation is okay?

Protecting the Environment. Once upon a time -- before Al Gore apparently made science political -- protecting the environment was actually something most conservatives supported. They weren't "tree-huggers" but our Republican leaders understood the need for environmental protections in this country. But now? I guess the answer is to put on blinders and ignore what's going on around us.

If someone asks me why I left the Republican Party, my response is that the Republican Party left me.
Fiscal Conservatism.
I will bite, While he wishes to spend 700 mil to 1 Trillion on stimulus bill, (I am against any new bill) Biden and Dems want to spend 3+trillion. They also wish to spend trillions on universal health care and Green policies. As for CIA and FBI they decided to ignore laws, and play one party politics.

Cold War Conservatism.
I never for a minute thought trump was Reagan, In fact he is very anti war. As for Russia, guess we can choose our poison Trump and Russia, or Biden and China. I think China is much bigger threat today than Russia
Support for our Military Men & Women.
12 people who were there, including one who is no fan have said the suckers and losers comment never happened, and even the editor of the article now says he doubts the story.

"Family Values.
Never considered him to be a family values guy. Trump to the best of my Knowledge has done nothing on sexual preference.

Protecting the Environment
Other than backing out of Carbon deal, I don't see that much he has done other than the pipe line and opening up the Alaska area to drilling. I think the Pipe line is a green deal as it is the safest way to move the oil. Much better than Tankers on the ocean and Trucks n Trains rolling.
 
2011,12,13,14,15,16,17&2018 were infinitely better than 2010. It was slow growth but it was growth from 2009 to 2019. The key is consistency.
It really wasn't though. Money printing and government spending outpaced gdp growth throughout, plus adding intellectual property into how they calculate gdp affected it greatly. I dont blame Obama for it because it was a natural occurrence but the numbers people cite are basically like a person who doesn't work and keeps borrowing money from their parents showing how their bank account is still above zero. The only thing that can genuinely affect GDP is manufacturing and exports, but we are so far behind the 8 ball now we won't see a real recovery for at least 2 generations, particularly with the boomers aging out of the population.
 
As for Russia, guess we can choose our poison Trump and Russia, or Biden and China. I think China is much bigger threat today than Russia.
Thanks to a Republican President, we already picked our poison -- China.

The Bush Administration thought it was easier to just borrow a trillion from China to pay for our Middle Eastern wars (boy, wasn't that money well-spent!!!) rather than inconvenience the American People by paying for it up front.

We just have another Republican President who is a Putin Puppet who wants us to happily bend over for Russia too.

Ronald Reagan must be spinning in his grave.
 
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