Good grief, Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 by over a 2 1/2 million. You're dreaming if you believe Trump's popularity somehow increases this coming November.
Impeachment Thread: Trump retaliating at anyone who wasn't willing to commit criminal obstruction
- Thread starter fried-chicken
- Start date
I've heard the same, and its about the entire field. They really needed a 50 year old charismatic centrist to come out of this primary.
a few of them said the same about warren or any of the other socialist candidates. but this was several months ago. so maybe they have changed their minds? i think those people would likely vote biden if he was the candidate.
yea the dnc really picked some terrible people this cycle.
You're dreaming if you think that anyone who voted for trump in 2016 is going to flip to a socialist. His voters are better off financially than they were and that's the only thing that will matter. In spite of your hatred for the man, his voters havent changed their minds about him.
2016 Biden would have won easily. He's showing too many signs of aging now and it makes people nervous.
OH. MY GOD. Vote for a lib when I could vote for a corrupt sleazebag like Trump? Perish the thought!
Reality check: His diehard base isn't enough to reelect him.
i think you are right. people really hated hillary and thus trump became potus. his mental capacity is deteriorating right in front of everyone. trump will no doubt attack that.
as much as i dont trust the polls, trumps popularity has slowly gone up over time. i dont think trump is going to lose many votes over 2016, he may even get more. i believe incumbents typically get a bump.
It's not about voting for a lib, hell you'd probably vote for Lenin before you'd vote for Trump. If a reasonable liberal like Jim Webb was the candidate they would win. This is about voting between Trump and socialism which isnt nearly as popular as you'd like to believe.
There have been a few articles about this so I guess others are dreaming too?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...-lose-5-million-votes-still-win-2020-n1031601
https://theweek.com/articles/876201/trump-wins-reelection-losing-by-5-million-votes
Those are theoretical scenarios, which while possible are also highly unlikely. If trump loses by 5 million votes then there's no possible way he carries the rust belt again.
I think the ceiling is around 4.5-5M that he could lose by and still get re-elected.
It didn't though. Now, not only is Trump viewed as corrupt, senate republicans appear to be in the bag for him. Granted, the election is 9 months away but for right now the dems have the upper hand.
THey dont appear to be in the bag for him, they are most certainly in the bag for him. There are reports that McConnell was working with the Trump team the entire time, which means the Senate is no longer an independent body. Lamar Alexander acknowledged what Trump did was wrong, but for some reason still didnt even want to call witnesses. Rubio flat out said what he did was impeachable, he just didnt think it was in the countries best interest to remove him, which is basically another way of saying he can do whatever he wishes without consequence.
One can argue about the relative merits of keeping a President in office AFTER the Senate has conducted a serious trial that (naturally) includes the admission and review of the evidence and an assessment of the testimony of the various witnesses.
in THIS CASE, the Republican Majority simply voted to make it go away to avoid further embarrassment. This Senate “trial” will go down in American history as a gutless act by a group of cowardly partisan stooges in the Senate.
But rest assured, Trump and the GOP’s “victory” will come at a cost
in THIS CASE, the Republican Majority simply voted to make it go away to avoid further embarrassment. This Senate “trial” will go down in American history as a gutless act by a group of cowardly partisan stooges in the Senate.
But rest assured, Trump and the GOP’s “victory” will come at a cost
You’ve been dreaming for nearly 4 years Shookster, but time and time again, you keep coming out on the losing end.
Incorrect. This will go down as the last (well,
probably not
) of the most embarrassing course of events in the history of the Democratic Party. However, I’m sure that there will be more witch-hunting ahead at the taxpayers expense The cost of this will be a win in 2020 vs a bunch of unelectable clowns opening the door for continued prosperity for the American people amongst many many other things that are too numerous to name
#Winning
Point, game, match.
As the list of left wing,radical, MAGA hating WC posters continue to argue their point, the losses keep piling up and their party has become a national embarrassment. They just don’t see it.
Sounds great, but optics matter more than results. The left has strengthened their narrative with the democrat base and have talking points to use on undecided and independent voters now.
They literally don’t have a candidate and won’t. By trying to be the opposite of Trump, their candidates have views that are downright scary to most Americans. Undecided and independent voters will vote for Trump or not at all. It’s WORSE than 2016
You are likely correct. That being said, in the highly unlikely scenario that they end up with a nominee that is reasonably moderate and not 80 years old or explicitly corrupt, they would have the upper hand. If they could find someone who would represent the status quo but without trumps shenanigans they would win in a landslide. It's almost unbelievable that they can't find someone like that and not completely destroy them for not being radical enough.
Come on, Ucfmikes! Enough with the trolling.Incorrect. This will go down as the last (well,
probably not
The cost of this will be a win in 2020 vs a bunch of unelectable clowns opening the door for continued prosperity for the American people amongst many many other things that are too numerous to name
#Winning
Trump's coalition is made up of more than one demographic profile. Something like 10% of 2016 Sanders primary voters ended up supporting Trump in the General election, and Sanders would absolutely have a segment of Trump voters coming over to him.
~10% of Obama voters voted for Trump in 2016. Win or lose, Sanders will end up with some decent chunk of crossover vote. Elections are won on the margins.
Whatever crossover there is that way, there will be another crossover amongst the moderate D's who don't want to pull the lever for a communist sympathizing socialist who wants to rush this country to the fringe left wing as quickly as possible.
Let's be honest- Bernie Sanders has NEVER been properly vetted or criticized for his past positions, of which there is near unlimited ammo. Democrats have always treated him with kiddie gloves since they didn't want to piss off the mythical youth vote that loves Ol' Bernie. That won't be the case if this guy captures the nomination, he'll finally have to answer for things like video of him in Latin America and the USSR, praising communist regimes and offering advice on how to defeat American foreign policy.
So Adam schiff was asked if he was going to call Bolton in to testify to the House now that he's said that he's willing to do so, and he said 'no, because it will take too long'.
So why are people upset about the senate not calling witnesses when even Schiff says that it will take too long? Obviously his goal was not actually to have a fair trial in the senate, it was to do political damage to Trump. It seems like it would be politically advantageous to call Bolton in and if Trump tries to block it, they could use that against him all the wall into November.
So why are people upset about the senate not calling witnesses when even Schiff says that it will take too long? Obviously his goal was not actually to have a fair trial in the senate, it was to do political damage to Trump. It seems like it would be politically advantageous to call Bolton in and if Trump tries to block it, they could use that against him all the wall into November.
I agree with you here in principle but I see the details differently. Thanks to how divisive Trump is, I think the Democrats will be firmly united behind their nominee. Where Bernie loses out (vs someone like Biden) is going to be the "never Trumper" type voter. Lifelong Republican voters who can no longer stomach Trump and just want a reasonable human somewhere near the center. Those voters may stay home or vote third party whereas they'd happily vote a Biden like D. I don't know how that nets out for Bernie and I don't think anyone does.
And yes - Bernie has never been through presidential level scrutiny. He's going to get put through the wringer for sure. But in the age of Trump, I think we have to be careful not to over-estimate the impact of anything anymore. Trump has broken the mold. He's said and done so many things that would have been considered disqualifying 20 years ago. The old rules don't apply anymore. So yea, a video of Bernie trashing US policy would have sunk him 20 years ago in a general - but conventional wisdom is out the window now.
Where are you seeing that? Everything I see says he hasn't said one way or the other.
""I will say this: Whether it's in testimony before the House or it's in his book or it's in one form or another, the truth will come out," Schiff said."
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/202...t-says-the-truth-will-come-out/1791580673715/
That article is from yesterday and clearly shows that testifying to the House is an option. So unless he changed that position in the last 17 hours, where are you getting that he said 'no, because it will take too long'. ?
Of course at this point I am not sure what it would accomplish, though knowing the truth is certainly a good thing, but not sure where you are seeing he said what you quoted. Link?
I don't think there are going to be any significant # of moderate Dems who would choose Trump over any of the Dem candidates, including Sanders.
This is not accurate.
This is how it's going to go:
The book will come out (if the WH doesn't block it)
The media will cover the Ukraine bits
Schiff will accuse Republicans of covering up
Schiff will subpoena Bolton
Bolton will be blocked by WH.
This will go all the way to November.
The Senate *could* have had an abbreviated time table if it wanted. There's a huge difference in a witness who is willing to testify and one who isn't. With Bolton willing to testify, the WH would have needed a district court to issue some kind of emergency injunction barring Bolton from showing up 2 days later. Assuming a Senate issued subpoena, in the midst of an impeachment trial, with the Chief Justice presiding - and I'm doubtful a district court judge is going to step in there.
As for the calculus of calling him after the trial - good question. Perhaps the political calculus here is to move on? Certainly Bolton is going to do the media circuit for his book, so just let it come out that way?
I think I misheard what was said. The 1 or 2 year thing was in response to a later question on whether the house should have pursued Bolton earlier. It was soundbites they were playing on the radio, but the transcript reads differently than what my perception of it was.
Um, you do know that a lot of moderate Dems broke for Trump in 2016 yes?
Throw a fringe left wing socialist in the mix and just watch.
A lot of swinger voters went to Trump yes (not sure how many were actual Democrats, but certainly moderates) but at the time Trump was also an unknown as far as how he would govern. That isn't the case this time. This time swing voters will judge him now based on what he has actually done, and not just campaign rhetoric. I just don't see Trump syphoning off many Democrats at all this go round, and honestly could see him losing some of the ones who flipped from Obama to Trump. But we will just have to wait and see.
Justice department blocking release of emails that detail trumps thinking on Ukraine and the aid.
They said on Friday that more than a dozen emails were protected by presidential privilege. These emails reportedly shed light on Trumps motivation for withholding the aid.
Republican senators know these emails exist and will not try to learn about their contents.
Democratic leadership said that the truth will eventually come out. They're right. The Senate is set up to look more and more like they are covering up the facts of this case by putting in zero effort to discover the truth. In my opinion democrats should vote present on removal because of the blatant cover up.
They said on Friday that more than a dozen emails were protected by presidential privilege. These emails reportedly shed light on Trumps motivation for withholding the aid.
Republican senators know these emails exist and will not try to learn about their contents.
Democratic leadership said that the truth will eventually come out. They're right. The Senate is set up to look more and more like they are covering up the facts of this case by putting in zero effort to discover the truth. In my opinion democrats should vote present on removal because of the blatant cover up.
Trump found not guilty with no witnesses and a Senate that declared they would work hand in hand with Trump before they even had articles.
Cover up is complete
Tick tock for Bolton's book. Trumps emails. And all the other details that will continue to expose the coverup over the coming months.
Cover up is complete
Tick tock for Bolton's book. Trumps emails. And all the other details that will continue to expose the coverup over the coming months.
