Impeachment Thread: Trump retaliating at anyone who wasn't willing to commit criminal obstruction
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt Obama remove more 5 star generals than any president in history?
Yeah. I'm not using it to justify anything, just that it's not unprecedented for a president to fire someone with a military record who doesn't align with them.
Do you agree that a president should remove people who dont align with them?
When did he say that? I'm assuming you're talking about the book that hasn't been released yet so nobody outside of Vindmans brother have read it.
If this were true, Bolton would be all over the place verifying it. Also, if he was going to write a book about it why didnt he come forward with this during the house impeachment hearings or sooner?
I have a feeling this is going to end up the same way it did when Schiff claimed he had seen damning evidence that Trump colluded with Russia a couple of years ago.
This thread is paid full. Openly treasonous inbred morons think politics in our country is a team sport. Dipshit Wayne even said so. Meanwhile normal people see our republic circling the drain.
I want to know what you're specifically denying. I keep hearing "impeachment debacle" and now you're saying "how can this be true if only one person came forward."
Well I'd like to know what part you doubt so I can specifically answer your question. I'm not going to waste my time reproving the entire case against Trump but I'm glad to provide clear examples of any specific doubts you have. Let's hear them.
I believe the following statements are equally true.
- The president should be able to decide who works for them.
And
- The president should not retaliate against someone who was compelled to testify in front of Congress and gave an honest account. If the president is mad that his actions were exposed he should be mad at himself, not the people who had no choice but to confirm his actions under threat of criminal perjury. Let's not forget just how many Trump associates are in prison this very moment because they lied to the government for Trump.
I doubt that it was solely political motivation that led to trump asking Zelensky to "do us a favor". That's been my position from the very beginning. There is enough reason to believe that it wasn't a political move that I dont know what his intent was.
Ok then logically you must have an alternate explanation for the request. Go ahead and share it.
@Crazyhole
If Trump really wanted to use security funds as leverage to only fight "corruption"
1. Why was a stipulation of the release that an investigation be announced on CNN? Surely an investigation that happened quietly would be more productive in weeding out actual corruption than an investigation that launched on CNN. Fareed Zakaria was actually overseas ready to interview Zelensky with the interview scheduled when the aid was released after the news of the whistleblower broke. That brings me to my next point.
2. Why did Trump release the aid 2 days after news of his plan broke. If his plan was to fight corruption does it make any sense that he abandon that plan once news broke that he was trying to fight corruption? "Oh shoot they know I'm trying to fight corruption better release that aid quickly." That makes 0 sense. If he really believed that was the goal he would have defended his possition, not gone into damage control mode. Fighting corruption is a universally held American value not something to be embarassed of when you get caught doing it. So now...
3. Why the shadow back channel shit? Fighting corruption in foreign governments is a universally held goal of the United States State Department. He had the ability to do this through proper channels. Why was Rudy Guillani involved? He's not a government employee. Fighting corruption can be done effectively using all of the tools and might of the strongest politically influencing nation in the history of the planet and he chooses Rudy Giuliani to do it outside of the government. A guy that can barely keep his teeth in when he speaks. Is Trump so incompetent that he believed Rudy would weed out corruption in Ukraine more than the entire diplomatic pressure system of The United States of America? We can topple governments with the swish of a pen but we used an insane old man. Rudy was there to keep this out of sight because Trump knew that his goal wasn't altruistic and he can trust Rudy to keep quiet. For now.
4. Why ask Ukraine to investigate Biden and not our department of justice? If Trump really believed that Biden was corrupt he could have requested a special investigator which we regularly use for politically charged investigations. Instead Trump wanted Ukraine to announce the investigation. Why encourage a foreign government to investigate United States citizens when we have the tools to do so domestically. He used tax payer money to strong arm a foreign government to investigate a political opponent. There is no other explanation that doesn't require a total disregard of logic.
I'm sorry, I know you like to question things and not accept them on face value but you've just simply taken an indefensible possition on this. Nothing makes sense with your theory of Trump being committed to anti-corruption policy. I didn't even get into his past actions that display a lack of strong ethical decision making.
The only way this makes sense is if he's guilty of what he's accused of.
If Trump really wanted to use security funds as leverage to only fight "corruption"
1. Why was a stipulation of the release that an investigation be announced on CNN? Surely an investigation that happened quietly would be more productive in weeding out actual corruption than an investigation that launched on CNN. Fareed Zakaria was actually overseas ready to interview Zelensky with the interview scheduled when the aid was released after the news of the whistleblower broke. That brings me to my next point.
2. Why did Trump release the aid 2 days after news of his plan broke. If his plan was to fight corruption does it make any sense that he abandon that plan once news broke that he was trying to fight corruption? "Oh shoot they know I'm trying to fight corruption better release that aid quickly." That makes 0 sense. If he really believed that was the goal he would have defended his possition, not gone into damage control mode. Fighting corruption is a universally held American value not something to be embarassed of when you get caught doing it. So now...
3. Why the shadow back channel shit? Fighting corruption in foreign governments is a universally held goal of the United States State Department. He had the ability to do this through proper channels. Why was Rudy Guillani involved? He's not a government employee. Fighting corruption can be done effectively using all of the tools and might of the strongest politically influencing nation in the history of the planet and he chooses Rudy Giuliani to do it outside of the government. A guy that can barely keep his teeth in when he speaks. Is Trump so incompetent that he believed Rudy would weed out corruption in Ukraine more than the entire diplomatic pressure system of The United States of America? We can topple governments with the swish of a pen but we used an insane old man. Rudy was there to keep this out of sight because Trump knew that his goal wasn't altruistic and he can trust Rudy to keep quiet. For now.
4. Why ask Ukraine to investigate Biden and not our department of justice? If Trump really believed that Biden was corrupt he could have requested a special investigator which we regularly use for politically charged investigations. Instead Trump wanted Ukraine to announce the investigation. Why encourage a foreign government to investigate United States citizens when we have the tools to do so domestically. He used tax payer money to strong arm a foreign government to investigate a political opponent. There is no other explanation that doesn't require a total disregard of logic.
I'm sorry, I know you like to question things and not accept them on face value but you've just simply taken an indefensible possition on this. Nothing makes sense with your theory of Trump being committed to anti-corruption policy. I didn't even get into his past actions that display a lack of strong ethical decision making.
The only way this makes sense is if he's guilty of what he's accused of.
@Crazyhole
Let's just be honest here. You and all the other chuds here know he did it, you know why he did it, you just don't care. You're pretending to not be sure about it so you don't have to admit that you don't care about it, because you don't want republicans to lose.
It's the most blatant example of party over country that I've ever seen. No one is fooled that anyone on the Republican side sincerely believes that Trump is innocent. It's why they're attacking the process in vague general terms and not the substance of the accusation. Same as you did in this thread. That's why I asked you for specifics because your specifics don't hold up. So just keep calling it the "sham impeachment debacle" and and providing no specifics because the specifics don't look good for republicans.
Let's just be honest here. You and all the other chuds here know he did it, you know why he did it, you just don't care. You're pretending to not be sure about it so you don't have to admit that you don't care about it, because you don't want republicans to lose.
It's the most blatant example of party over country that I've ever seen. No one is fooled that anyone on the Republican side sincerely believes that Trump is innocent. It's why they're attacking the process in vague general terms and not the substance of the accusation. Same as you did in this thread. That's why I asked you for specifics because your specifics don't hold up. So just keep calling it the "sham impeachment debacle" and and providing no specifics because the specifics don't look good for republicans.
Lmao FC is trying to use logic on someone who honestly thinks the world could be flat.
Who is dumber?
Who is dumber?
In Vindmans case, he is likely the one who spoke to the whistle blower Erick C. who had no reason to be let in on the call info. Vindman needed to be fired.
Secondly where were all the lefties crying for impeachment when Obama did the same with Eric Holder.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/obama-asserts-fast-furious.
We have to go back to the origin of the request. Start with this statement that Kerry just made:
Does something about that sound a little different than the narrative that Bloomberg news fed and the rest of the media ran with?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/billi...ch-ihor-kolomoisky-under-investigation-by-fbi
Now move on to this guy. Owner of Burisma and Privatbank. This is the guy who was so dangerous that he was on a re-entry ban to the US until a few days after Hunter biden was named to the BOR of Burisma. The billion dollars that Biden threatened to withold was deposited into his bank, and shortly thereafter Latvia flagged transactions coming out of there as fraud. They contacted the US embassy and they basically said dont worry about it.
Now move on to this guy. Owner of Burisma and Privatbank. This is the guy who was so dangerous that he was on a re-entry ban to the US until a few days after Hunter biden was named to the BOR of Burisma. The billion dollars that Biden threatened to withold was deposited into his bank, and shortly thereafter Latvia flagged transactions coming out of there as fraud. They contacted the US embassy and they basically said dont worry about it.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/did-bi...-1-8b-in-missing-aid-his-son-is-on-the-board/
Notice the date on this report. 1.8 billion went missing and it is tied directly to Burisma, privatbank, and kolomoisky who all of a sudden became a regional governor and was personally funding the war against russia.
Notice the date on this report. 1.8 billion went missing and it is tied directly to Burisma, privatbank, and kolomoisky who all of a sudden became a regional governor and was personally funding the war against russia.
One simple question:
if this was a scam, a hoax, and a witch hunt, why prevent people with knowledge from testifying?
Jordan Klepper from Comedy Central interviewed an Iowa hayseed decked out in his Trump ‘game gear’ for a Trump rally. Like you, this yahoo ranted about what a scam the impeachment was. Straight-faced, Klepper agreed with the man and added, “Yeah, they ought to interview Trump’s guys and stick it to those lying Democrats.” I laughed out loud when this yahoo replied with, “Damn right they ...uh, wait no!”
July 25th: trump, in a phone call with Zelensky says we need Ukraine to do something about corruption.
Also on July 25th: the IMF held a press conference stating that they are willing to start helping Ukraine again, specifically by giving them 5.5 billion in aid but Ukraine has to do something about corruption.
Same day, same request.
Also on July 25th: the IMF held a press conference stating that they are willing to start helping Ukraine again, specifically by giving them 5.5 billion in aid but Ukraine has to do something about corruption.
Same day, same request.
Maybe because it's none of the above, but something that's yet to be determined.
Notice how our resident Trumpsters never go near answering why not allow people with first-hand knowledge from testifying is this was such a scam, a hoax, and a witch hunt?
Uhhh..., you do realize that there were 18 witnesses or so that testified, right? Why didn’t the Democrats do a better job at presenting their “real” case or have some proof. Seems like they can’t ever get it right. Wonder why.
As far as more witnesses. You see, in America, we have this thing called a judicial system. They didn’t allow it.
Yep, this is the standard bullsh*t we get to avoid answering the question.
If only those dems had done a better job, right? Yeah, blocking ALL State Department evidence and preventing Mulvaney, Pompeo, Perry, Giuliani, and Bolton from testifying is a great way of proving this was all a hoax, right?
Face it, you’ve all become complicit in our nation’s biggest cover-up. But the American people aren’t stupid. Truth eventually wins out over corruption and fraud.
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Democrats: “The evidence was OVERWHELMING as presented from House investigators!!! Slam dunk case from top to bottom!”
also Democrats: “MOAR WITNESSEZ NEEDED!!! MOAR EVIDENCEZ NEEDED!!!! COVER UP!!!!”
You sound just like that clueless Iowa hayseed Trumpster on Comedy Central mouthing the party line.
Democrats: “The evidence was OVERWHELMING as presented from House investigators!!! Slam dunk case from top to bottom!”
also Democrats: “MOAR WITNESSEZ NEEDED!!! MOAR EVIDENCEZ NEEDED!!!! COVER UP!!!!”
The Executive branch does not answer to the legislative branch. Every Prez has used executive privilege with congress, including Obama more than once.
everyone knew the outcome of this scam impeachment from the get go. nothing was going to change. why prolong it?
