They had a chance to be a legitimate society. They've been given decades to do so. Now, they probably just need to be treated in the way that terrorists should always be treated.
Israel is at war
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I'd just as soon see all of them be led to the gallows. I may even pay to watch it.Unless they're Putin-backed, Russian cyber terrorists, right?
They didnt have a government because the British prevented it, so your argument is basically a catch 22. The British even "represented" Palestine at the league of nations. The history of the area is certainly complicated, but Britain only had control of the land for a few decades, and werent overly interested in working with Palestinians.
You are all over the place with your arguments. Your last post you said they have no authority to negotiate, and now you are saying they should have come to the table. So which is it? Do they have the authority to negotiate or not?
Saying there is no such thing as a Palestinian is ridiculous. There is a whole history of Palestinians going back to biblical times.
And the very notion of proclaiming an historic 'peace' agreement between two parties when one of the parties wasn't even involved is as idiotic as it gets.
It was all a political stunt to help both the Netanyahu campaign in Israel and the Trump campaign in the US. Not only did it do ZIPPY-DO-DAH to bring about peace, it was a slap in the face to the Palestinians and was, in essence, throwing gasoline on the fire.
But it's 2021 now so this mess is all Biden's fault now, right guys?
I'm saying that the negotiations gave Palestinians the opportunity to become a legitimate nation that could negotiate a deal. They refused, so at this point they are still just Muslims living in Israel.
What's going on in Israel is a violent insurrection against the government. I'm quite honestly surprised that the Israelis haven't been more aggressive in putting it down.And the very notion of proclaiming an historic 'peace' agreement between two parties when one of the parties wasn't even involved is as idiotic as it gets.
It was all a political stunt to help both the Netanyahu campaign in Israel and the Trump campaign in the US. Not only did it do ZIPPY-DO-DAH to bring about peace, it was a slap in the face to the Palestinians and was, in essence, throwing gasoline on the fire.
But it's 2021 now so this mess is all Biden's fault now, right guys?
And the very notion of proclaiming an historic 'peace' agreement between two parties when one of the parties wasn't even involved is as idiotic as it gets.
It was all a political stunt to help both the Netanyahu campaign in Israel and the Trump campaign in the US. Not only did it do ZIPPY-DO-DAH to bring about peace, it was a slap in the face to the Palestinians and was, in essence, throwing gasoline on the fire.
But it's 2021 now so this mess is all Biden's fault now, right guys?
The peace agreements were between countries that werent even in conflict, so yeah, that was certainly overstated. The thing is though, I dont blame Trump for this. This is obviously something that was going on well before he was president. But, not blaming him for it also doesnt mean he gets credit for it. The only thing he did was send his unqualified son in law to try to solve these problems, and that wasnt going to ever bring about anything meaningful.
And as I said, the whole thing is obviously very complicated, but I dont understand people think this is some sort of thing where one side is good and the other is bad. Both sides have blood on their hands. THe last time it looked like there was a chance for significant progress, the Israeli PM was assassinated. But, he wasnt assassinated by Palestinians, he was assassinated by his own people who didnt want any sort of peace deal with Palestine. That alone should give people an indication that this isnt all on the Palestinians. An Israeli group literally killed the last PM who was seriously trying to bring about some sort of peace.
The Trump negotiations were basically just giving Israel what they wanted. There is no way that plan was ever going to work.
Lol. Or, it was because it offered a 2 state solution and the Palestinians have always maintained the same position:
No negotiation
No recognition
No acceptance
One Muslim nation from the river to the sea.
You are very one sided with this. The last time there looked like there was a meaningful path towards peace, it was an Israeli group that killed their own PM to put an end to it. That isnt an unimportant point. One side literally killed their own PM because they were against the potential peace deal, so we cant pretend that the other side is the violent side and Israel is the peaceful side. Both sides are violent.
Trump's 2 state solution was never realistic, because it was just an Israeli wish list that no one thinks Palestinians were going to accept. That isnt a good faith negotiation. All that does it provide the propaganda fodder that you are espousing, and blaming everything on one side. The reality, is that Israel has never shown they are serious in creating a peaceful solution either.
Israel has proven to the region that they aren't a threat to anyone other than Iran, a common enemy. The Palestinians think that the Arab nations will all jump in to help them annihilate Israel, but that ship sailed long ago.
Again, such a one sided view. Most Palestinians have no desire to annihilate Israel, they just want to be able to stay in their homes. You are way over simplifying this. And BTW, not everyone in Israel wants to drive Palestinians from their homes either.
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I do like the logic that it is Palestinians fault for not coming to the table, while also saying Israel shouldnt compromise anyway, which of course would mean there is no point in Palestinians coming to the table.
the "literally Hitler" crowd seems to be the only one defending Jews. curious.
Let me rephrase: what claim does a nation of Palestine have on the territory that is now Israel?
They dont want all of Israel. They want areas like the West Bank and Gaza. It is Israel trying to move in on their homes, not the other way around. Take the politics and religion out of it. If a group of people had lived in an area for ages, and suddenly another foreign nation (England), decided to let another nation (Israel), have their lands with basically no input by the current occupants (Palestinians), then you have to expect it is going to be contested and potentially violent. But also keep in mind, the original map basically no longer exists because Israel has consistently taken over Palestinian lands that were not part of the original map. Israel has consistently taken more and more land since 1948.
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What sovereign country existed on those lands before the Egyptians and others drove most of the Israelites out? As for the Palestinian Territories, remind me who Israel fought in the Six-day War again? Tell me when a sovereign Palestine nation ever existed?
Arab countries and Palestinian groups have repeatedly claimed that they want to wipe Israel off the map. They’ve lied consistently about supposed Israel atrocities and used the thinnest of pretexts (or none at all) to launch terrorist and military campaigns at civilian areas where both Jewish and Arab peoples live together in peace. Both of their not-quite governments are terrorist organizations. Iran and other Arab governments have used them to fight a proxy war against Israel for generations.
The land has been fought over and contested since Biblical times, so I'm not sure why it matters what country existed there, I mean modern Israel didnt exist there either until 1948, so that argument can be applied to either side.
They fought Jordan, Syria, and Egypt, not sure the point you are making though.
And Israel has lied about things too. This isnt a situation where either side is blameless. Israel just blew up a building housing press today, and it wasnt an accident, they knew it housed press. You dont find it strange that that side you guys think is always on the side of good, destroyed a building housing the press, making it more difficult for reporters to report the news?
And Israel has used US funding and weapons to do things for decades, again, this isnt a situation where either side is clean, but if Israel would quit trying to take over Palestinian homes, the tension likely wouldnt exist to the degree it has for so long.
I'm no great historian when it comes to knowing the full history of the creation of the modern day Israel after WWII. But it seems to me that this was guaranteed to create a centuries-long conflict from the get-go.
Just let the Palestinians have a chunk of land where they can build casinos and drink themselves to death.
Why isn’t your savior Biden doing anything about this? Things were fine under Trump. Now this weak ass president is sitting on is ass letting all hell break loose. He’s destroying immigration, gas prices are out of sight and now this. What a failure. But..., oh those Trump Tweets, riiiight guuuuys?
These 2 have been fighting for thousands of years and will be doing it until one utterly destroys the other. Maybe another
thousand years. My father said this 40 years ago at least
LOL When has Israeli-Paleistine relations ever been "fine?" American Presidents have been trying to broker a peace agreement for ages. Where has that gotten us?
Israel is still one of our strongest allies in the world and their intelligence has helped us maintain stability and protect our interests globally. That’s where it’s gotten us.
Who said we should dump Israel? I was questioning our efforts over the decades to broker a peace agreement between the Palestinians and the Israelis.
That’s what I’m trying to get you to understand. Those overtures have political payoffs.
The political payoffs are obvious -- as we witnessed with Trump's Last Peace Plan that he heralded before the election. My point is that every single one of them (Republican or Democrat President) has been fruitless.
No, they haven’t. The US attempting to negotiate shows Israel that we are with them and mollified moderates there. In addition, it undercuts the ME warlords who rail about America being nothing but colonialist warmongers. We have to win hearts and minds regardless of what we do militarily.
Whatever. Seems to me a lot of time and energy has been wasted for diddily-squat.
Question: Why is Hamas lobbing rockets at civilian areas in Israel?
Answer: They are terrorists and have bad aim.
Solution: Let Israel do whatever the hell they want and turn the other cheek
It’s cheap, doesn’t take sides and Israel can easily handle this problem on their own
Answer: They are terrorists and have bad aim.
Solution: Let Israel do whatever the hell they want and turn the other cheek
It’s cheap, doesn’t take sides and Israel can easily handle this problem on their own
Somebody needs to open a history book. Palestine was part of the Allies yet lost land after WW2.
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