So we can't trust anybody in government to do the right thing. That is a sentiment I can agree with.
It wasnt a No-knock warrant
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I didn't say that. What I am saying is that you should at least be skeptical of government, holding them accountable is a good thing. But for reason, cops are one area of government that some people will never criticize or hold accountable. And I am sorry, but there are several odd decisions in this case that should at least raise some eyebrows.
I'm fine with questioning cops. That is totally legitimate. What you are suggesting is basically conspiracy. I cant dismiss that out of hand, but it really doesn't add up in this case. Its not like there is anything to gain by a DA not providing all of the prosecutorial evidence here. Maybe explain what the motivation would be for that and I'll understand what you are suggesting
Of course there is potentially stuff to gain. Any future political goals could be helped in certain circles by this decision, he is in an elected position, so campaign donations could be helped, etc etc. There are numerous things that could "potentially" be gained.
Here is what I need explained to me. How can they determine the police were justified in their shooting, while at the same time not pressing charges against her BF who actually shot a cop? If the boyfriend is the real villain and one at fault, how does he not have charges pressed against him for shooting a cop? That makes no sense at all. Essentially, it sounds like a shootout between 2 parties was perfectly legal (other than a few shots that went through the wall).
There is no way to get a conviction on any of them. Yeah, the whole situation sucks and I feel bad that someone died, but there is no justice that can be served here. The cops were in the right. The boyfriend was in the right. This isnt a hero/villain type of deal where someone needs to go to prison. Crappy deal and hopefully there are changes that come about from it but nobody should be punished beyond what they are already going through emotionally.
No. They are dirty from top to bottom. Any lawyer can present evidence in a way to get the result desired when nobody is pushing back. I could convince a jury that Dan Marino is the best QB to play in the NFL if there were nobody arguing against Dan. Or I could convince a jury that Dan Marino isn't the best QB to play in the NFL. Dan Marino's stats never changed.
But if you think the BF was in the right, how then are the cops in the right too? Just from logical standpoint, how are both sides right in a shootout between cops and a civilian? Seems like someone has to be in the wrong.
The cops were most definitely at fault here. There was absolutely NO justifiable reason for the police to 'swat team' this woman's apartment at 3 AM. None.
This is the systemic bias that we are talking about. You recognize that a mistake was made and it cost somebody her life, but you don't want to hold the people accountable for that mistake. That's how change occurs. Unless you hold people accountable, this is going to happen again and again.
Only in a black and white world. The cops were doing what they were told to do and was legal. The BF was reasonably defending the property. I guess you could charge the officer that ordered them to do what the cops did, but that also goes up to the judge that granted the warrant, which also goes back to the drug dealer, which then goes back to Taylor for being a possible accessory. How do you determine which person is at fault in this to a level that they should go to prison? Can the cop that got shot sue someone? And if so, who?
But we've been led to believe the police announced their presence. I can certainly understand why you'd be very skeptical of real police pounding on your front door at 3 AM but I'd have checked it out, assuming the door have a peep hole or security chain. At the very least, I'd have yelled through the door asking what the hell they wanted in the middle of the night.
Would regular people with no outstanding warrants for their arrest and nothing to hide inside their apartment have IGNORED the pounding on the door and the announcement it was the police? I can't think of a single good reason why that would have been Breanna or her boyfriend's response. Can any of you?
Which is why the claim that the police announced themselves before busting down the door is really hard to swallow. A 'no knock entry' would explain why the department was willing to cover-up what really happened to protect themselves and their department but arresting an innocent man was pushing their cover-up too much, at least for the DA.
1). Because they are scumbags.
2) Because he is a scumbag
Any more brilliant rhetorical questions?
There was no systemic racism involved in the police obtaining a 'no knock' warrant on Breanna Taylor's apartment??!?
There was no systemic racism involved in believing a single, white neighbor (1 of 12 residents questioned) over the Black man who was in the apartment?
There was no systemic racism involved in charging a officer for three bullets that accidently hit a white neighbor's apartment but nothing for the police bullets that killed an innocent Black woman?
There's no racism involved in Ucfmikes' response below?
None. Not one bit. You’re the only racist here. You’re assuming the cops were racist and targeted these “innocent” people. I’m assuming that they are scumbags and shouldn’t be ignoring the police and shooting at them. The justice system agrees. Move to South Africa if you don’t like America and want “real” justice. They have an amazing system there
Meanwhile, in non-scumbag land, me and my black neighbor went for a bike ride in my upscale neighborhood. Never saw a cop. See how that works
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If it's me and I'm the one sleeping, it probably would take at least 30 seconds for me to wake up. At that point, I dont know what the heck is going on other than it sounds like someone is breaking in so I grab my gun. At this point I've gone from dead asleep to adrenaline overload so it wouldn't be surprising if I shot first. There's no way I'd be thinking straight.
That's why they dropped the charges on him. Its not reasonable to think he was acting recklessly or aggressively in that situation.
You just answered with a series of biased rhetorical questions and not a shred of evidence supporting your position. As usual.
The evidence was presented. You just chose to ignore it. As usual.
Show me the evidence that this case featured a racially driven intentional homicide. I’ll wait.
WTF? Who the hell is saying it was a racially driven intentional homicide?
Christ, pay attention if you want to play.
If you want to insist that she’s dead entirely because of “systemic racism” then you better fuking bring some shred of evidence to support this. The people in the streets want homicide charges- the same people mindlessly screaming about “systemic racism” like you.
You’ve shown absolutely no proof that this was either racist OR premeditated. So take your straw men and shove them if you can’t produce even a basic shred of proof to back any of your claims.
It’s 2020 and we live in Ibram X Kendi’s critical race theory world. All interactions between race are racist in nature and any adversity that a black person experiences is either overt or systemic racism. Even actions and behaviors that black people undertake that bring adversity on themselves are actions taken because of overt or systemic racism.
Let me get this straight: an innocent Black couple have their home invaded in the middle-of-the night by police and Breanna Taylor is killed. But it's up to concerned citizens like me to PROVE TO YOU something grossly criminal happened???!? It was just a Black life, right? So no harm, no foul.*
The litany of police department mistakes and bald-faced cover-ups involved in this case offer a textbook example of systemic racism.
Aaaah, so those Blacks bring it on themselves, huh? I'm curious, sk8, how did Breanna bring this on herself?
- Breanna was an innocent woman with no history of drugs, yet the police conducted a 3 AM raid on her apartment?
- Yes, once upon a time she dates a guy who dealt drugs. But they were no longer involved. In fact, she was dating somebody else and they were living together;
- This drug dealer authorities initially said was the reason they conducted their 3 AM raid was - surprise, surprise, already in custody.
- The US Postal Service denied that suspicious packages were being sent to Breanna's address by the drug dealer. Yet this was a key piece of 'evidence' that authorities used to obtain their 'no knock' warrant.
- Despite obtaining this 'no knock' warrant, we're to believe the authorities identified themselves anyway.
You’re the ignorant King of responding to shit that was never said. You have insisted over and over that this was a racist killing - a homicide - that proves “systemic racism”. I have asked for one sliver of proof that can verify this and you continue responding with worthless straw men.
You’ve also yet to address the fact that the investigation turned up actual facts - proof - that the police in fact did not just charge through the door , shooting you the room as the pundits assured us.
This girl did not deserve to die. She should be alive. I simply see absolutely noactual proof that this was a homicide or that racism had a goddamn thing to do with it. You can’t prove this either yet continue insisting upon it. Pathetic.
Yes, and it’s probably pretty damn accurate. What’s your reply?
FRUMP!! FRUMP!!! FRUMP!! It’s all HIS fault.
In a similar situation, if the cops knocked on your door, you would offer to give them a hand job
You mean like you accusing me of saying it was a racially driven intentional homicide?
So what was it then? Just an 'unfortunate' accident, huh?
Why are you bringing up “systemic racism” if you aren’t insisting that this was a racially motivated homicide by the police?
If you want to engage in a discussion on systemic racism, it would help if you knew what the f*k it was.
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One of the things that I find extremely odd about the Breanna Taylor case is why we haven't seen the full body-cam video of the event?
Early on, I just assumed they conducted their raid without cameras since such a big deal was made out of getting a neighbor (1 of 12) to claim he heard the police announce themselves. But then -- LOW AND BEHOLD -- this weekend, the police released a snippet of a body-cam video showing the wounded officer. Sooooo, they obviously have police body-cam video of the raid after all.
Which begs the question: why hasn't the public seen the whole video? Seeing and hearing the police knocking on the door and loudly announcing themselves and eventually breaking down the door after patiently waiting for the resident to open the door would have gone a long way towards defending the cops' actions that night.
I'll wait for one of our resident bad cop defenders to explain that one for all of us.
Early on, I just assumed they conducted their raid without cameras since such a big deal was made out of getting a neighbor (1 of 12) to claim he heard the police announce themselves. But then -- LOW AND BEHOLD -- this weekend, the police released a snippet of a body-cam video showing the wounded officer. Sooooo, they obviously have police body-cam video of the raid after all.
Which begs the question: why hasn't the public seen the whole video? Seeing and hearing the police knocking on the door and loudly announcing themselves and eventually breaking down the door after patiently waiting for the resident to open the door would have gone a long way towards defending the cops' actions that night.
I'll wait for one of our resident bad cop defenders to explain that one for all of us.
Excellent question, but in the grand scheme of things I'm not sure it makes a difference. We know the police had a warrant for the apartment. We know they executed the warrant. We know that the boyfriend shot first. We know that she was killed in the crossfire. Other than debating about the procedural aspect of this, its kind of already decided. Crappy situation all the way around but nobody is guilty of any kind of felony here, particularly murder.
This is the real crux of the issue: Why in the world did the police seek — let alone be granted — a ‘no knock’ warrant in the first place? The apartment was rented by a person who’d never been in trouble with the law, yet she’s targeted for a middle of the night raid? We’re supposed to believe that’s routine procedure?
And if there is no cover-up involved by authorities, why would the police make a big point (after the fact) of saying that even though they had a ‘no knock’ warrant, they announced themselves anyway. Really? You make the decision to serve a ‘no knock’ warrant at 3AM for a reason. You are expecting to barge in on a room full of bad guys with nasty guns. But in this case, you decide to announce yourselves anyway? WTF? And we’re supposed to believe that only one of 12 neighbors heard you pounding on the door asking the residents to open up, because it’s the police”?
The police’s story doesn’t add up — and becomes more suspicious when we learn they did indeed had body-cameras on that evening yet haven‘t released the full footage. If everything was on the up and up, you’d have thought the footage announcing themselves would have been released long ago.
My guess, and it just a guess, is that the police secured the No-knock warrant with the assumption that the drug dealer or possibly others would be there. Since he was arrested earlier, and I would imagine the police were watching the place earlier throughout the day and knew that it was only the 2 of them in the apartment they decided that knocking didn't present them with a grave danger. As it turned out, they should have executed the no knock.
11 of the 12 apartment residents said that the police burst into the apartment without identifying themselves. The lone resident who corroborated the police's story and who's testimony was -- guess what? -- presented to the Grand Jury has retracted his original statement and said that police did identified themselves but only after they had already raided Breanna's apartment.
And, as I stated before, these police had body-cameras on that night, but surprisingly, that video footage wasn't used to verify the police's "we knocked" testimony.
