12 residents were up at 3AM to witness this event from start to finish? That seems questionable at best. I could see 12 people being woken up by the noise, but that lends itself to the idea that they were pounding on the door for a while.
It wasnt a No-knock warrant
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If the police were pounding on the door at 3 AM waiting for Breanna to answer, don't you think all 12 residents of the complex would have heard it?
If 12 people didn't hear the knock then why do you expect Taylor and Walker hear the knock. Your excuses are getting lamer.
Our Board's Usual Suspects enjoy throwing out the "there's more to this story that meets the eye" line when it comes to defending a bad cop whose caught doing bad things on cellphone video. But in the Breanna Taylor case, nothing about the story apparently fazes them. It's "aw, it's a downright shame that this accident happened.'
An accident? They treat this situation as if it's a 'fender bender versus the life of an innocent woman who was awakened from her bed in the middle of the night.
What makes this cover-up a little different from most others is that the asses that are trying to protected are a lot higher up than the cops who were on the scene.
An accident? They treat this situation as if it's a 'fender bender versus the life of an innocent woman who was awakened from her bed in the middle of the night.
What makes this cover-up a little different from most others is that the asses that are trying to protected are a lot higher up than the cops who were on the scene.
This went to a grand jury. The justice system is working. There is no cover-up.
But since you're worried about all of the incidents and by your own standards of evidence and due process, how about you tell me about the injustice that's occurred with decorated-veteran Jacob Gardner? You should be familiar with it since it happened right in your backyard.
What "evidence" did the grand jury get to see? I understand they heard testimony from one of the neighbors supported police assertions that they announced themselves prior to forcibly entering the apartment. What about the testimony of the other 11 residents? What about the testimony of Breanna's boyfriend who they busted in on? What about the follow-up testimony of their lone neighbor witness?
Why are they claiming they knocked on Breanna's door and announced themselves when they had a 'no knock' warrant? And if they had decided prior to the raid -- as they now claim -- to announce themselves despite a 'no knock' warrant, why do it in the middle of the night??!?
Did the grand jury get to see the police-cam videos in their entirety? If not, why not?
As I said before, because of the way this raid played out, the cover-up is protecting butts much higher up the chain than the officers involved that night. If there was ever a case that literally cried out for an external, FBI review, it's this one. Thank goodness, they are.
A just-released ballistics report was unable to verify that the bullet that injured one of the Louisville police officers came from the gun of Breanna Taylor's boyfriend. WTF? Wouldn't THAT have been verified BEFORE the AG's Office presented its case to a grand jury??!? This report gives additional credence to the boyfriend's testimony that he fired off "a warning shot."
Despite being "unable to verify the bullet that wounded an officer came from the boyfriend's gun, the AG ruled out 'friendly fire.' Huh??!?
This case gets shakier and shakier by the day.
11 people who were sleeping at the time didn't hear the police knock. In other words, they arent witnesses to the event any more than you are. 1 guy was apparently awake and is an actual witness so his testimony has value.
Unfortunately for you, the official deal didn’t include her name.
But, of course, there could’ve been no other reason for her being on the draft agreement. Couldn’t possibly be because she kept showing up in their investigations of Glover. Nah, it had to be evil cops and evil prosecutors conspiring in the full light of the media.
The residents slept through police pounding on a neighbor's door announcing they were the police and to open up?
Really? I spent quite a few of my early adult years in cheap apartment complexes. The very notion that the police would have announced themselves without anyone hearing it is pretty far-fetched in my book
Apparently, it was so quiet that Breanna and her boyfriend slept through it too since the police busted down the door and entered the apartment without anyone answering their knocks.
I read that he subsequently altered his story to say the police announced themselves to him after the raid was over.
They slept through it but both were standing in the hallway? I know horses sleep standing up, but I didn't realize people do as well.
On the NBC Nightly News tonight, it was reported that while the police have body camera footage from AFTER the shooting, they are reporting that no film footage exists of their entry or the shooting itself.
Excuse me, we're supposed to believe the police filmed the aftermath of the raid but not the raid itself? Talk about a bunch of bullshit!
NBC also played audio of the boyfriend's response to a police interview at the station following the incident. On the tape the boyfriend told the interviewer that one of the officers on the scene asked him if he was hit by any of the bullets. When he answered no, he told interviewer that the cop replied, "Well, that's unfortunate."
Excuse me, we're supposed to believe the police filmed the aftermath of the raid but not the raid itself? Talk about a bunch of bullshit!
NBC also played audio of the boyfriend's response to a police interview at the station following the incident. On the tape the boyfriend told the interviewer that one of the officers on the scene asked him if he was hit by any of the bullets. When he answered no, he told interviewer that the cop replied, "Well, that's unfortunate."
Ugh you stupid MAGAt!!!!11!!1 Obviously these racist ass cops saw black people in the apartment and started shooting wildly. One cop was so racist he shot into the next apartment assuming another black family lived there.
Seriously though - this whole situation sucks, she doesn’t deserve to be dead, but from the actual facts we have right now no one should be charged with her murder. The cops are executing a legal warrant and get shot at, obviously they’re going to fire back/defend themselves. If the cops didn’t announce themselves then I see why the bf woke up shooting (which is why he wasn’t charged/charges were dropped) - if they did announce themselves, I still kinda get it, it was 3am and my brain doesn’t work at that time so who knows what he was thinking.
The crux of the issue is this: Why was a 'no knock' warrant issued for Breanna Taylor's apartment in the first place?
Any real detective work would have made it abundantly clear that ANY warrant, let alone a 'no knock' (i.e. raid) was a waste of time and resources. The fact that an innocent woman was killed because of it only reinforces how incredibly stupid it was from the get go.
here’s a major issue with the argument (on either side of it): I have no idea what evidence they presented to a judge to get a no-knock warrant, and either do you. I assume they had something for the judge to grant the request but as it stands today we have no idea what they had.
What I do know is the supposed reasons they were able to obtain one (which have already been outlined elsewhere in this thread) were bullshit.
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Honestly, I just hope the Louisville PD or AG releases everything to the public. From what I believe to be true, this is tragic but not a crime. I also know I don’t have all the facts - I’d love to have it all out there from the initial investigation that led to the warrant and everything that happened after that.
You're far from being the only one here who shares that opinion -- I just don't understand it.
Let's say the police raided your home in the middle of the night even though you've never been arrested and are totally innocent of any crime. During their break-in, a loved one was shot and killed by the police. Would you still believe it was a 'tragic accident' and no crime was committed by the police? Might you wonder just a little bit why in the f*k they raided your home in the middle of the night in the first place?
To me, 'no knock' warrants are reserved for the absolute nastiest of situations. It's designed for cases where the police have lead pipe certainty that they're going to be busting into an armed den of thieves. They would have absolutely no business even considering a 'no knock' warrant, let alone actually raiding your place or mine -- and the same should hold true for Breanna Taylor's apartment.
Nice analogy pedophile, let me fix it to reflect the facts.
You have a known drug dealer “loved one” living at your house, you permit them to use your phone for said drug deals and have “packages” sent to your address.
Police come knocking one night, you get fully dressed. Surely, it couldn’t be your drug dealing loved one that led to this happening. Police bust down the door and your loved one opens fire at the people who had announced themselves as cops. The cops fire back (because that’s what happens when you try to do gunplay with people who are better at it than you), and you tragically take a bullet.
As you take your last breaths, your life flashes before you while you realize all the conscious steps that led to this situation and how it might’ve been avoided
We all know how the Burn, Loot, and Murder organization works, you don’t have to say it out loud.
I agree with you on the no-knock. But it's really hard to to figure out where you blame the systemic issues vs holding the officer's criminally liable. An extreme analogy would be trying the state executioner for executing an innocent person. The executioner is just an extension of a system that screwed up.
If a SWAT team raids the wrong house and an innocent person ends up dead - who's fault is that? The cop who pulled the trigger when the victim popped out with a shotgun? The random person who transcribed the address incorrectly? The victim who was awoken in the middle of the night to the sounds of a home invasion?
I want to know if people are acting in good faith. If a medical error leads to someone's death, money is going to get paid, someone might get fired, corrective actions are going to be taken, but we're probably not going to try to jail the doctor or nurse who screwed up. At some point, the mistake does become criminal, but I don't think it's fair to take a perfect storm of everything going wrong and then pinning all that on the cop who pulled the trigger.
I think "justice" for a victim like this is seeing systemic change that prevents a similar situation from happening to someone else, and an effort to build up relationships between community and law enforcement, not demanding retribution.
The civil rights movement has been very peaceful, big difference between them and BLM.
I'm not against your opinion here - I'm saying I'd like all of the information released. It's possible that the situation you lay out (innocent people sleeping/thinking there's a break in) but it's also possible that they had evidence that they weren't innocent (they got a judge to sign off on a warrant, they had something). Release the info and let us see what happened.
I want to know if people are acting in good faith too and, like UCFKnightfan08, if everything is on the up-and-up, I want to see all the information the police have and what was and wasn't shared with the grand jury..
Using your criminal medical malpractice example, why would the department seek and a judge grant a 'no knock' warrant in this case? Even if the 'evidence' (which has now been proven to be bullshit) was true, was it really enough to allow police to raid the home of a woman who had never been convicted of a crime in her life?
The facts and circumstances for the issuing of such a warrant should have been an extremely high bar to hit and, in my opinion, they missed it by a country mile. It's akin to conducting life-threatening brain surgery for a condition that could have been easily cured by a simple pill. Why would you go there?
Wanting to know what happened and asking for systemic changes is legit and I back it 100%. Wanting someone to be charged criminally is crossing the line for me.
Judicial Watch Sues Montgomery Co., MD, Police Dep’t for Body Cam Footage in Fatal Police Shooting of Duncan Lemp During ‘No-Knock’ Raid - Judicial Watch
(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today it filed a Public Information Act (PIA) lawsuit against the Montgomery County, MD, Police Department (MCPD) seeking all body-cam videos from the fatal shooting of Duncan Socrates Lemp. The 21-year-old Lemp, a student and software developer, was...
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Here's another one.
If doctors can be charged with medical malpractice when they've made an incredibly stupid decision, why can't the police?
Any rational, clear-thinking person -- even one without any law-enforcement experience -- could have told you that requesting, let alone issuing, a 'no knock' warrant in this case was asinine.
I'm glad Judicial Watch is on it, they do good work. I don't really see why a no-knock raid could be justified for simple weapons possession. Maybe if the guy was making threats and it appeared imminent that he was going to do something. Despite my defense of certain incidents, I'm with you that the use of no-knock raids needs to be assessed and perhaps eliminated. Or at least curtailed to the more extreme cases, such as imminent terrorist threat, known hostile and violent gang and drug raids, etc. With that point said, there have been a great number of incidents where police have attempted to execute warrants with no or little force and been met with gunfire at the door, resulting in grave injuries and death. These just don't make the news and there is no activist group tearing apart society because of them.Judicial Watch Sues Montgomery Co., MD, Police Dep’t for Body Cam Footage in Fatal Police Shooting of Duncan Lemp During ‘No-Knock’ Raid - Judicial Watch
(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today it filed a Public Information Act (PIA) lawsuit against the Montgomery County, MD, Police Department (MCPD) seeking all body-cam videos from the fatal shooting of Duncan Socrates Lemp. The 21-year-old Lemp, a student and software developer, was...www.judicialwatch.org
Here's another one.
I know we tend to look at these things in a vacuum but they are mostly happening in response to events in society and in response to public outcry. We get a rash of active shooters and the public and media cries out "why aren't the police doing anything?" So the police get more aggressive at rooting out illegal possessors that are close to the active shooter profiles. The public wants guns out of the hands of the people, well, not everyone is just going to give up their gun peacefully. As much as I fervently wish (more than any of you as I have to see my toddler wave to my wife as she drives off every night to go work that shift where you never know when someone is going to decide that they'd rather die and take her with them than go to jail) that we could be in a society where there was no violence ever in policing actions, that society simply does not exist.
I agree.
But tell me, how does defending bullshit like you did in the second post to this thread help "create a greater and more united society"? Inquiring minds want to know.
Medical malpractice typically doesn't (if ever) lead to criminal charges. Just because someone screws up it doesn't make the outcome criminal. Charging someone in this case criminally might lead to less deadly interactions, but it could also lead to law enforcement being less objective in their decisions which could mean more deadly interactions in practice.
There is also the Baltimore effect where police stop being proactive and all sorts of crime rates go up and more innocent people end up hurt or dead from criminals.
Yeah boy, THAT's the answer! Support bad policing by becoming bad police yourselves!!! That'll show those nitpickers!!!*
Let me be clear here: I am not been pushing for murder charges for any law enforcement or justice system employee involved in this case. However, just like stupid, unprofessional behavior on the part of a doctor can result in him losing his license, there is amble evidence that there was more than enough stupid, unprofessional conduct on the part of law enforcement that there are some people (especially ones BEHIND the scene) who should be losing their jobs over that shit show.
You constantly amaze at your inability to understand anything at any more than a surface level.
Municipalities are currently training police and telling them that they will be fine as long as they follow these procedures and enforce these laws. The municipalities make them swear an oath to assume the duty to do all the things that people like you want done but don't want to do yourself. Then, when they do such, they are brought up on criminal charges, the state throws almost infinite resources into show trials, any financial assets they've built up are stripped in lawsuits and process, and they are vilified in their own communities. Not to mention the rates of PTSD, suicide, and mental health treatment needed by police for the job that we swear them to legally do.
Then, when we stack everything against them and it is quite obvious that the mob is coming for them, we call them bad cops when they hesitate to put themselves into situations where their, and their families, lives will be ruined just because they do the job they were sworn to do the way they were trained to do it. You might as well defund the police everywhere if this is the way that you're going to treat them.
Says the poster who then proceeds to give us a snowflake sob story about how darn tough it is for the police.
I don't disagree that its tough to be a police man or police woman but this business about officers being brought up on criminal charges for doing the things nobody else wants to do is pure bullshit.
I think I'm pretty safe in saying that NOBODY was 'asking' police to raid an innocent woman's apartment in the middle of the night.
you keep saying she’s innocent - you don’t know that (and I’m not saying 100% that she wasn’t). Judges don’t just sign off on no-knock warrant requests because the cop asked nicely. They need to release the warrant/evidence.
