Ivermectin doesn't make any difference if administered 7 days after infection.
Kinda like Tamiflu. Pay attention to the details of these studies.
Kinda like Tamiflu. Pay attention to the details of these studies.
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Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date
Patients who got the antiparasitic drug didn’t fare better than those who received a placebo
Ivermectin got attention from celebrities including podcast host Joe Rogan, but researchers said they found no indication that it is clinically useful against Covid-19.
PHOTO: MIKE STEWART/ASSOCIATD PRESS
I By
Sarah Toy
Updated March 18, 2022 10:16 am ET
Researchers testing repurposed drugs against Covid-19 found that ivermectin didn’t reduce hospital admissions, in the largest trial yet of the effect of the antiparasitic on the disease driving the pandemic.
Ivermectin has received a lot of attention as a potential treatment for Covid-19 including from celebritiessuch as podcast host Joe Rogan. Most evidence has shown it to be ineffectiveagainst Covid-19 or has relied on data of poor quality, infectious-disease researchers said. Public-health authorities and researchers have for months said the drug hasn’t shown any benefit in treating the disease. Taking large doses of the drug is dangerous, the Food and Drug Administration has said.
The latest trial, of nearly 1,400 Covid-19 patients at risk of severe disease, is the largest to show that those who received ivermectin as a treatment didn’t fare better than those who received a placebo.
SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS
How should the most recent studies on the efficacy of ivermectin against Covid-19 influence its use going forward? Join the conversation below.“There was no indication that ivermectin is clinically useful,” said Edward Mills, one of the study’s lead researchers and a professor of health sciences at Canada’s McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario. Dr. Mills on Friday plans to present the findings, which have been accepted for publication in a major peer-reviewed medical journal, at a public forum sponsored by the National Institutes of Health.
Dr. Mills and his colleagues looked at 1,358 adults who visited one of 12 clinics in the Minas Gerais region of Brazil with Covid-19 symptoms. The patients all had a positive rapid test for SARS-CoV-2, and were at risk of having a severe case for reasons including a history of diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular disease or lung disease.
Poster with the phrase, ‘We have ivermectin,’ at a pharmacy in Ceilândia, Brazil.
PHOTO: RICARDO JAYME/AGIF/ASSOCIATED PRESS
The researchers prescribed half of the patients a course of ivermectin pills for three days. The other half received a placebo. They tracked whether the patients were hospitalized within 28 days. The researchers also looked at whether patients on ivermectin cleared the virus from their bodies faster than those who received a placebo, whether their symptoms resolved sooner, whether they were in the hospital or on ventilators for less time and whether there was any difference in the death rates for the two groups.
To make sure they were being thorough, the researchers analyzed the data in three different ways. They looked at data from all patients; then analyzed data from patients who received ivermectin or a placebo 24 hours before they were hospitalized; and in a third review, looked at data from patients who said they had adhered strictly to their dosing schedule. In each scenario, they found ivermectin didn’t improve patient outcomes.
“This is the first large, prospective study that should really help put to rest ivermectin and not give any credibility to the use of it for Covid-19,” said Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, who reviewed the findings.
Ivermectin is used primarily to treat patients with certain parasitic diseases. Some doctors have been prescribing it to Covid-19 patients, and some people have been found ways to obtain ivermectin without a prescription. The drug has antiviral properties, but hasn’t been approved by the FDA to treat any viral infections.
Given its antiviral prospects, scientists early in the pandemic thought it could be a candidate for treating Covid-19. In June 2020, a group of researchers in Australia published a paper showing that large amounts of ivermectin could halt replication of the coronavirus in cell cultures. But there was a problem: To achieve that effect, a person would have to take up to 100 times as much ivermectin as the dose approved for use in humans.
Some studies on ivermectin published in journals or on preprint servers ahead of peer review have demonstrated no benefits, or worsening of Covid-19 symptoms, after ivermectin use. Some have shown some benefit, such as shorter time to symptom resolution, reduction in inflammation, faster viral clearance and lower death rates.
Ivermectin capsules, seen last year in the Philippines, where the drug was distributed in some places despite a lack of evidence to show it prevents or cures Covid-19.
PHOTO: ROLEX DELA PENA/SHUTTERSTOCK
But most studies showing positive effects had significant limitations such as small sample sizes or poorly defined outcomes, according to the NIH. Several studies on ivermectin have been withdrawn from publication, including a randomized controlled trial looking at 100 patients in Lebanon that was retracted by the journal Virusesdue to issues with the statistical analysis, according to the journal. Researchers at the NIH and Oxford University also are conducting large trials on the effectiveness of ivermectin, though results haven’t been published.
Dr. Mills said ivermectin could improve outcomes in Covid-19 patients who are fighting off certain parasitic diseases at the same time. But based on his team’s findings, he said, the drug doesn’t seem to have any effect on Covid-19 itself.
Dr. Mills and his colleagues also are studying other drugs that could be repurposed to work against Covid-19. Such drugs could be useful because their side effects are well known and they may be cheaper to deploy in poor countries than drugs like Merck & Co. and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics LP’s molnupiravir or Pfizer Inc.’s Paxlovid.
Related Video
Amid a surge in cases, some countries are handing out second booster shots. In Israel, early data suggest a fourth vaccine dose can increase antibodies against Covid-19, but not enough to prevent infections from Omicron. WSJ explains. Photo composite: Eve Hartley/WSJTHE WALL STREET JOURNAL INTERACTIVE EDITION
Merck said it has taken steps to make molnupiravir available in low- and middle-income countries, including allocating three million courses for distribution through aid groups and granting licenses to generic manufacturers. Pfizer said it was working to expand its supply chain and licensing production of Paxlovid through a United Nations program.
Dr. Mills and his collaborators have looked at 11 repurposed treatments against Covid-19, of which at least one has shown promise—fluvoxamine, which is commonly used to treat obsessive compulsive disorder and depression. They published the research in the Lancet Global Health in October, showing that Covid-19 patients who received fluvoxamine were less likely to require hospitalization than those who didn’t.
The researchers are looking at the effect in Covid-19 patients of combining fluvoxamine and an inhaled steroid, budesonide, as well as a drug called peginterferon lambda, which is used to treat chronic viral hepatitis
Omicron is the vaccine
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I have a lot of anxiety about this christmas. After 2 suicidal episodes this year I am really uncomfortable with the idea of being around the in-laws. This year has also brought about changes with my girls. I got divorced 8 years ago and had full custody of my kids until this year. They moved in with their mom in january and things have been pretty difficult between us since then. Nobody, including my wife, has been terribly supportive of what I've been dealing with this year and I've been putting on a happy face whenever I'm asked how things are going because when I'm honest it makes things worse. I'm just tired of it and now its going to be in my face for the next few days. Nobody understands but everybody has a solution.
Sorry to vent. Merry christmas to everyone"
Some rebuttals to the phony TOGETHER ivermectin trial. They finally published. It’s being torn to shreds by external reviewers across the board.
I actually interacted with the primary investigator before it started . Dude was aloof as fuk. Trashed ivermectin every chance he got before, during, and after. Didn’t understand or give a crap about PK to optimize serum levels. Designed to fail. Worthless and corrupt “Evidence based medicine”
I actually interacted with the primary investigator before it started . Dude was aloof as fuk. Trashed ivermectin every chance he got before, during, and after. Didn’t understand or give a crap about PK to optimize serum levels. Designed to fail. Worthless and corrupt “Evidence based medicine”
3 tubes a day keeps the doctor away. Buy gold.
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Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date
Patients who got the antiparasitic drug didn’t fare better than those who received a placebo
Ivermectin got attention from celebrities including podcast host Joe Rogan, but researchers said they found no indication that it is clinically useful against Covid-19.
PHOTO: MIKE STEWART/ASSOCIATD PRESS
I By
Sarah Toy
Updated March 18, 2022 10:16 am ET
Researchers testing repurposed drugs against Covid-19 found that ivermectin didn’t reduce hospital admissions, in the largest trial yet of the effect of the antiparasitic on the disease driving the pandemic.
Ivermectin has received a lot of attention as a potential treatment for Covid-19 including from celebritiessuch as podcast host Joe Rogan. Most evidence has shown it to be ineffectiveagainst Covid-19 or has relied on data of poor quality, infectious-disease researchers said. Public-health authorities and researchers have for months said the drug hasn’t shown any benefit in treating the disease. Taking large doses of the drug is dangerous, the Food and Drug Administration has said.
The latest trial, of nearly 1,400 Covid-19 patients at risk of severe disease, is the largest to show that those who received ivermectin as a treatment didn’t fare better than those who received a placebo.
SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS
How should the most recent studies on the efficacy of ivermectin against Covid-19 influence its use going forward? Join the conversation below.“There was no indication that ivermectin is clinically useful,” said Edward Mills, one of the study’s lead researchers and a professor of health sciences at Canada’s McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario. Dr. Mills on Friday plans to present the findings, which have been accepted for publication in a major peer-reviewed medical journal, at a public forum sponsored by the National Institutes of Health.
Dr. Mills and his colleagues looked at 1,358 adults who visited one of 12 clinics in the Minas Gerais region of Brazil with Covid-19 symptoms. The patients all had a positive rapid test for SARS-CoV-2, and were at risk of having a severe case for reasons including a history of diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular disease or lung disease.
Poster with the phrase, ‘We have ivermectin,’ at a pharmacy in Ceilândia, Brazil.
PHOTO: RICARDO JAYME/AGIF/ASSOCIATED PRESS
The researchers prescribed half of the patients a course of ivermectin pills for three days. The other half received a placebo. They tracked whether the patients were hospitalized within 28 days. The researchers also looked at whether patients on ivermectin cleared the virus from their bodies faster than those who received a placebo, whether their symptoms resolved sooner, whether they were in the hospital or on ventilators for less time and whether there was any difference in the death rates for the two groups.
To make sure they were being thorough, the researchers analyzed the data in three different ways. They looked at data from all patients; then analyzed data from patients who received ivermectin or a placebo 24 hours before they were hospitalized; and in a third review, looked at data from patients who said they had adhered strictly to their dosing schedule. In each scenario, they found ivermectin didn’t improve patient outcomes.
“This is the first large, prospective study that should really help put to rest ivermectin and not give any credibility to the use of it for Covid-19,” said Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, who reviewed the findings.
Ivermectin is used primarily to treat patients with certain parasitic diseases. Some doctors have been prescribing it to Covid-19 patients, and some people have been found ways to obtain ivermectin without a prescription. The drug has antiviral properties, but hasn’t been approved by the FDA to treat any viral infections.
Given its antiviral prospects, scientists early in the pandemic thought it could be a candidate for treating Covid-19. In June 2020, a group of researchers in Australia published a paper showing that large amounts of ivermectin could halt replication of the coronavirus in cell cultures. But there was a problem: To achieve that effect, a person would have to take up to 100 times as much ivermectin as the dose approved for use in humans.
Some studies on ivermectin published in journals or on preprint servers ahead of peer review have demonstrated no benefits, or worsening of Covid-19 symptoms, after ivermectin use. Some have shown some benefit, such as shorter time to symptom resolution, reduction in inflammation, faster viral clearance and lower death rates.
Ivermectin capsules, seen last year in the Philippines, where the drug was distributed in some places despite a lack of evidence to show it prevents or cures Covid-19.
PHOTO: ROLEX DELA PENA/SHUTTERSTOCK
But most studies showing positive effects had significant limitations such as small sample sizes or poorly defined outcomes, according to the NIH. Several studies on ivermectin have been withdrawn from publication, including a randomized controlled trial looking at 100 patients in Lebanon that was retracted by the journal Virusesdue to issues with the statistical analysis, according to the journal. Researchers at the NIH and Oxford University also are conducting large trials on the effectiveness of ivermectin, though results haven’t been published.
Dr. Mills said ivermectin could improve outcomes in Covid-19 patients who are fighting off certain parasitic diseases at the same time. But based on his team’s findings, he said, the drug doesn’t seem to have any effect on Covid-19 itself.
Dr. Mills and his colleagues also are studying other drugs that could be repurposed to work against Covid-19. Such drugs could be useful because their side effects are well known and they may be cheaper to deploy in poor countries than drugs like Merck & Co. and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics LP’s molnupiravir or Pfizer Inc.’s Paxlovid.
Related Video
Amid a surge in cases, some countries are handing out second booster shots. In Israel, early data suggest a fourth vaccine dose can increase antibodies against Covid-19, but not enough to prevent infections from Omicron. WSJ explains. Photo composite: Eve Hartley/WSJTHE WALL STREET JOURNAL INTERACTIVE EDITION
Merck said it has taken steps to make molnupiravir available in low- and middle-income countries, including allocating three million courses for distribution through aid groups and granting licenses to generic manufacturers. Pfizer said it was working to expand its supply chain and licensing production of Paxlovid through a United Nations program.
Dr. Mills and his collaborators have looked at 11 repurposed treatments against Covid-19, of which at least one has shown promise—fluvoxamine, which is commonly used to treat obsessive compulsive disorder and depression. They published the research in the Lancet Global Health in October, showing that Covid-19 patients who received fluvoxamine were less likely to require hospitalization than those who didn’t.
The researchers are looking at the effect in Covid-19 patients of combining fluvoxamine and an inhaled steroid, budesonide, as well as a drug called peginterferon lambda, which is used to treat chronic viral hepatitis
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More athletes dying in their sleep or 'unexpectedly' and kids vaccine injured . What a cluster. Looks like CrazyMike will be the last one standing. The others are slowly waking up. Wonder if Jeremy will let his 5 year old out of the basement this year to get his booster shots. What a great Dad. 
More athletes dying in their sleep or 'unexpectedly' and kids vaccine injured . What a cluster. Looks like CrazyMike will be the last one standing. The others are slowly waking up. Wonder if Jeremy will let his 5 year old out of the basement this year to get his booster shots. What a great Dad.
Remember when Boston.Knight said the Tampa Bay Rays' catcher died from a vaccine?
More died suddenly. I mean it's freaking everywhere now. All dying in their sleep. Sagat. In sleep. Included article on the Ray's bullpen catcher. https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/13-year-old-dies-in-sleep-after-getting-covid-19-vaccine-cdc-investigating/...
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@Boston.KnightMore athletes dying in their sleep or 'unexpectedly' and kids vaccine injured . What a cluster. Looks like CrazyMike will be the last one standing. The others are slowly waking up. Wonder if Jeremy will let his 5 year old out of the basement this year to get his booster shots. What a great Dad.
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“Igor Chudov”More athletes dying in their sleep or 'unexpectedly' and kids vaccine injured . What a cluster. Looks like CrazyMike will be the last one standing. The others are slowly waking up. Wonder if Jeremy will let his 5 year old out of the basement this year to get his booster shots. What a great Dad.
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For a guy that has me on ignore, I’m certainly in your head a lot you fukcing ugly tool 🤣🤣🤣🤣More athletes dying in their sleep or 'unexpectedly' and kids vaccine injured . What a cluster. Looks like CrazyMike will be the last one standing. The others are slowly waking up. Wonder if Jeremy will let his 5 year old out of the basement this year to get his booster shots. What a great Dad.
Hospitalizations in Largest Trial to Date
Patients who got the antiparasitic drug didn’t fare better than those who received a placebo
Ivermectin got attention from celebrities including podcast host Joe Rogan, but researchers said they found no indication that it is clinically useful against Covid-19.
PHOTO: MIKE STEWART/ASSOCIATD PRESS
I By
Sarah Toy
Updated March 18, 2022 10:16 am ET
Researchers testing repurposed drugs against Covid-19 found that ivermectin didn’t reduce hospital admissions, in the largest trial yet of the effect of the antiparasitic on the disease driving the pandemic.
Ivermectin has received a lot of attention as a potential treatment for Covid-19 including from celebritiessuch as podcast host Joe Rogan. Most evidence has shown it to be ineffectiveagainst Covid-19 or has relied on data of poor quality, infectious-disease researchers said. Public-health authorities and researchers have for months said the drug hasn’t shown any benefit in treating the disease. Taking large doses of the drug is dangerous, the Food and Drug Administration has said.
The latest trial, of nearly 1,400 Covid-19 patients at risk of severe disease, is the largest to show that those who received ivermectin as a treatment didn’t fare better than those who received a placebo.
SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS
How should the most recent studies on the efficacy of ivermectin against Covid-19 influence its use going forward? Join the conversation below.“There was no indication that ivermectin is clinically useful,” said Edward Mills, one of the study’s lead researchers and a professor of health sciences at Canada’s McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario. Dr. Mills on Friday plans to present the findings, which have been accepted for publication in a major peer-reviewed medical journal, at a public forum sponsored by the National Institutes of Health.
Dr. Mills and his colleagues looked at 1,358 adults who visited one of 12 clinics in the Minas Gerais region of Brazil with Covid-19 symptoms. The patients all had a positive rapid test for SARS-CoV-2, and were at risk of having a severe case for reasons including a history of diabetes, hypertension, cardiovascular disease or lung disease.
Poster with the phrase, ‘We have ivermectin,’ at a pharmacy in Ceilândia, Brazil.
PHOTO: RICARDO JAYME/AGIF/ASSOCIATED PRESS
The researchers prescribed half of the patients a course of ivermectin pills for three days. The other half received a placebo. They tracked whether the patients were hospitalized within 28 days. The researchers also looked at whether patients on ivermectin cleared the virus from their bodies faster than those who received a placebo, whether their symptoms resolved sooner, whether they were in the hospital or on ventilators for less time and whether there was any difference in the death rates for the two groups.
To make sure they were being thorough, the researchers analyzed the data in three different ways. They looked at data from all patients; then analyzed data from patients who received ivermectin or a placebo 24 hours before they were hospitalized; and in a third review, looked at data from patients who said they had adhered strictly to their dosing schedule. In each scenario, they found ivermectin didn’t improve patient outcomes.
“This is the first large, prospective study that should really help put to rest ivermectin and not give any credibility to the use of it for Covid-19,” said Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, who reviewed the findings.
Ivermectin is used primarily to treat patients with certain parasitic diseases. Some doctors have been prescribing it to Covid-19 patients, and some people have been found ways to obtain ivermectin without a prescription. The drug has antiviral properties, but hasn’t been approved by the FDA to treat any viral infections.
Given its antiviral prospects, scientists early in the pandemic thought it could be a candidate for treating Covid-19. In June 2020, a group of researchers in Australia published a paper showing that large amounts of ivermectin could halt replication of the coronavirus in cell cultures. But there was a problem: To achieve that effect, a person would have to take up to 100 times as much ivermectin as the dose approved for use in humans.
Some studies on ivermectin published in journals or on preprint servers ahead of peer review have demonstrated no benefits, or worsening of Covid-19 symptoms, after ivermectin use. Some have shown some benefit, such as shorter time to symptom resolution, reduction in inflammation, faster viral clearance and lower death rates.
Ivermectin capsules, seen last year in the Philippines, where the drug was distributed in some places despite a lack of evidence to show it prevents or cures Covid-19.
PHOTO: ROLEX DELA PENA/SHUTTERSTOCK
But most studies showing positive effects had significant limitations such as small sample sizes or poorly defined outcomes, according to the NIH. Several studies on ivermectin have been withdrawn from publication, including a randomized controlled trial looking at 100 patients in Lebanon that was retracted by the journal Virusesdue to issues with the statistical analysis, according to the journal. Researchers at the NIH and Oxford University also are conducting large trials on the effectiveness of ivermectin, though results haven’t been published.
Dr. Mills said ivermectin could improve outcomes in Covid-19 patients who are fighting off certain parasitic diseases at the same time. But based on his team’s findings, he said, the drug doesn’t seem to have any effect on Covid-19 itself.
Dr. Mills and his colleagues also are studying other drugs that could be repurposed to work against Covid-19. Such drugs could be useful because their side effects are well known and they may be cheaper to deploy in poor countries than drugs like Merck & Co. and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics LP’s molnupiravir or Pfizer Inc.’s Paxlovid.
Related Video
Amid a surge in cases, some countries are handing out second booster shots. In Israel, early data suggest a fourth vaccine dose can increase antibodies against Covid-19, but not enough to prevent infections from Omicron. WSJ explains. Photo composite: Eve Hartley/WSJTHE WALL STREET JOURNAL INTERACTIVE EDITION
Merck said it has taken steps to make molnupiravir available in low- and middle-income countries, including allocating three million courses for distribution through aid groups and granting licenses to generic manufacturers. Pfizer said it was working to expand its supply chain and licensing production of Paxlovid through a United Nations program.
Dr. Mills and his collaborators have looked at 11 repurposed treatments against Covid-19, of which at least one has shown promise—fluvoxamine, which is commonly used to treat obsessive compulsive disorder and depression. They published the research in the Lancet Global Health in October, showing that Covid-19 patients who received fluvoxamine were less likely to require hospitalization than those who didn’t.
The researchers are looking at the effect in Covid-19 patients of combining fluvoxamine and an inhaled steroid, budesonide, as well as a drug called peginterferon lambda, which is used to treat chronic viral hepatitis
Don’t forget Lynn Flynn’s fan account and an account called died unexpectedly. Top notch research for an imbecile who has loaded up on gold and thinks I’m living my life in a basement in Florida. He managed to find “athletes dying”. A random “swim coach” and a former rugby/Australia football player. This will feed his (not) worm infested brain for another week.
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Can we just discuss for a second his thread about how an avid anti-vaxxer somehow died from a vaccine he never received?
I mean it would be beyond comical how goddamn stupid @Boston.Knight is, if he wasn't representing our university and allowed to vote in national elections.
Well, he’s basically been laughed out of the Dungeon. Nobody was listening to his sociopathic ass anymore
Do tell us all. I imagine BS has been run out as well.
Boston definitely has problems. I still can't believe he let you hammer is wife.
Those two are hilarious, never before have two people who are so goddamn stupid been convinced they are smart.
It's almost pitiful to watch, they even think people care about their three Twitter followers 🤣😂
It's pretty remarkable what some people continue to defend. Pfizer literally bought their way into selling a product that is unnecessary and doesn't even know whether there are long term side effects, and convinced the politicians to mandate it. Very impressive.
I have a lot of anxiety about this christmas. After 2 suicidal episodes this year I am really uncomfortable with the idea of being around the in-laws. This year has also brought about changes with my girls. I got divorced 8 years ago and had full custody of my kids until this year. They moved in with their mom in january and things have been pretty difficult between us since then. Nobody, including my wife, has been terribly supportive of what I've been dealing with this year and I've been putting on a happy face whenever I'm asked how things are going because when I'm honest it makes things worse. I'm just tired of it and now its going to be in my face for the next few days. Nobody understands but everybody has a solution.
Sorry to vent. Merry christmas to everyone"
Only in the US. Most people don't know that recovery is valid in other countries ... just not the US.
