Why, because that makes it more of a crime? Sorry, but Trump being an idiot doesn't mean the Obama administration wasn't involved in criminal activity.
#obamagate
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Because we should expect some level of decorum out of our president. If the justice department feels there needs to be an investigation, then go for it, but what Trump is doing right now is nothing short of propoganda to appease his knuckledragging base during an election year.
It’s completely irrelevant. He either committed a crime or he didn’t. What Trump says about Obama has NOTHING to do with the law.
Trump being an idiot certainly doesn't add credibility to any notion he was either.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Trump has gotten on his 'Obama is a criminal of something' kick as we get closer to the Nov election and faces the daunting prospect that a popular former President is going to be campaigning against him.
How about illegal gun running to Mexican cartels that were used to murder at least 2 US border agents and thousands of innocent Mexican civilians?
Oh wait- that already has been described in great detail and absolutely nothing came of it. Weird.
It's weird you dont question the Republican lead House and Senate who did the investigations into it, or that you dont acknowledge that the ATF started the gun walking operations in 2006.
Decorum goes both ways. Former Presidents don’t normally criticize Presidents in office. They certainly don’t use graduation ceremonies to launch tirades at the sitting President.
It’s just unbelievable how these people must go out of their way to criticize our president.
Obama needs to take the high road and STFU
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Yeah.. His shit isn’t supposed to stink, right? He’s the greatest president in history, so play the part.
High road.
He is the most divisive president in history and is still playing the role. Thats what you get from a community organizer though, ramping up tension and creating villains to rise up against.
Regarding flynn, let's think this through:
The FBI told him they had a transcript of his conversation with "Russia"
If Flynn had broken a law in that conversation and knew that the FBI had the transcript, why wouldn't he have just pled the 5th? Why would he talk to them at all if he knew he was guilty of a crime that they were already aware of? Seems like he would have lawyered up right off the bat.
The FBI told him they had a transcript of his conversation with "Russia"
If Flynn had broken a law in that conversation and knew that the FBI had the transcript, why wouldn't he have just pled the 5th? Why would he talk to them at all if he knew he was guilty of a crime that they were already aware of? Seems like he would have lawyered up right off the bat.
If he was the most divisise president in US history (which, isnt true) then it was because of his skin color. His policies were pretty damn moderate so it certainly wasnt because of his policies, and his rhetoric was rarely, if ever over the top. But when you have people making up lies about his citizenship, and being a Muslim, didnt get into college withour foreign help, etc etc, then yeah, the dummies of America who believe all the conspiracies might find him to be divisive.
Obamacare: moderate, not divisive
Black lives matter: moderate, not divisive
IRS targeting: moderate, not divisive
Socialist SCOTUS judge, chief of staff: moderate, not divisive
Obamacare: Similar to the plan Bob Dole ran on in 96, that Mitt Romney implimented as governor, so yes, moderate
Black lives matter: not an Obama policy.
IRS targeting: Mostly made up BS. You saw a great number of groups (tea party, occupy) come about declaring tax exempt status, checking to make sure they were legit is not radical. This was another thing that started before Obama, so if you think this is radical and divisive, then I am sure you called it out all the way back in 04 when Bush was president, yes?
Socialist SCOTUS judge, chief of staff: Not true.
Well you would be in the minority of people who think that way, I think it is a personal problem. I'm really not sure how you could seriously write that considering the current POTUS Twitter bombs half the country on a daily basis.
BTW, I love that you think these things are more divisive than then previous president starting a terrible war in Iraq over false pretenses. Or more divisive than Vietnam. Or hell, if you think these things are divisive then read up on Abraham Lincoln, who had to preside over a war where half the country wanted to leave.
Rahm Emanuel. Read his short book "The Plan". Universal college, universal daycare, universal 401ks, etc
Sotomayor: strong advocate of social justice, fan of Norman Thomas
Can you imagine the amount of people losing their shit if he was angry? Many of them couldnt even handle him wearing a tan suit.
Trump should be veeeeeeery cautious about picking a fight with Obama. Having our former President on the campaign trail this fall is equivalent to Joe Biden taking a machine gun to a knife fight.
Say what you will about Obama as president, I thought he was mediocre. However, NOBODY campaigns like Barack Obama.
Uh, I would say the exact same thing about Trump. They both resonate with their base like very few people ever have.
I'd say changing our entire health care system without a single vote or buy in from the other side is fairly divisive.
I don't know how you can rank who the most divisive President in history was, but Obama's divisiveness was calculated, effective, and yet subtle. It wasn't the policies that were passed through nearly as much as it was rhetoric and actions. He constantly berated anybody right of center, not through crass twitter posts but through comments about things like clinging to guns and bibles, you didn't build that, Fox news rants, refusing to call on any journalists from non-left media, chiming in on every single social justice cause, comments about elections having consequences and him ruling for the people that voted for him. But is he any worse than most other Presidents? That I don't know.
Much of the divisiveness is a natural progression from the first Gulf War, through the Clinton scandals, then the attacks against W about him being the village idiot and the myth that was "W lied and people died," and then the rapid evolutions of the last two Presidencies. I think it's more of a cultural war going on irrespective of the person in the White House. We can look to them as the cause, but I think that they are more of a focus or a symptom than the actual cause of the division.
Maybe I'm being naïve, but I was frustrated by his inability to work with Congress. Granted, the Republicans were in lock-step against him but smoozing (even with Biden as his Veep) wasn't his Administration's strong suit.
But Obama looks like the damn GOAT when compared to the shit show we've got now.
I think Obama's divisiveness is in your head. The clinging to "their guns and bibles" comment was a throw away line very similar to Romney's "47%". However, there is truth in the comment as "Guns and Jesus" are the biggest issues to some of the most conservative voters in America. Do you disagree? The "you didn't build that" was a part of a speech that he stole from Elizabeth Warren, but I don't remember the outrage when she said it. Fox News was non-stop with the conspiracy theories, giving them air to breath. Nobody had a problem when Republicans claimed political capitol and that elections have consequences after the 2000, 2004 or 2010 elections. Then who could forget Mitch McConnell's famous "Our #1 goal is to make Obama a one term president" line.
Our healthcare system hasnt been completely changed, and I dont understand the rest of your post. The people who voted for Obamacare were all elected and are under no obligation to bow down to Republicans just for the sake of it. That is how Democracy works.
It's very rare when a president gets a veto proof majority in the Senate plus Obama had just won in a modern day landslide over McCain, everybody was filling his head a bit, so he was probably feeling himself too much in 2009-2010. The people elected Obama for 2 reasons, get out of Iraq and fix the economy. Obama did healthcare (mistake #1) and not even the single payer that he ran on (mistake #2).
It takes a lot of elbow greasing and back slapping to get things done in DC. Obama didn't really care to drink Bourbon at 1am with (Mike) McConnell. That's one of the strong suits of Biden, he likes that old rich country club guy type of stuff and he's good at it. I suspect that you'll see a lot of bipartisanship under a Biden administration.
The "you didnt build that" was completely taken out of context to attack Obama, and it is also a true statement. The country was up and running well before anyone alive today was around to build it.
The "cling to guns and bibles" is also true, and funny enough this is because of Republicans. It is Republicans always scaremongering that Democrats want to take your guns, or are atheist heathens and Gay marriage and the like is somehow an affront to their religion.
Why should a president not way in on social issues?
I agree but he had the votes. Obama wasn't elected to change healthcare and that's why he got his @ss handed to him in 2010. Republicans weren't going to give him a vote regardless of any concessions that he gave.
Healthcare was one of his top issues he ran on in 08, so he was elected to change healthcare, or more really how we pay for healthcare, not the care itself.
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