You keep saying this but its not true. Obama was elected on the Iraq war and the economy. Healthcare was like the 6th most important issue in 2008.
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Mitch McConnell flat out said he wasnt going to work with Obama. Obama pushed for tax cuts for businesses that hired veterans. Tax cuts and veterans are something Republicans usually care about a lot, but when Obama pushes that idea, they reject it because they refuse to do anything that might make him look good.
1 tax cut among a myriad of tax increases. If Reid or Pelosi had brought forth a stand alone tax cut bill for those businesses it would have paased easily. Don't be coy.
You do a lot of rewriting of history.
- Require that all children have health care coverage.
- Create a National Health Coverage Exchange to monitor and provide information.
- Spend $10 billion to move health care providers to an all-electronic system.
https://www.kff.org/disparities-pol...nt-obamas-campaign-position-on-health-reform/
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...al-candidates-health-reform-proposals-choices
How am I being coy? McConnell flat out said his job in the Senate was to make Obama a 1 term president, but yeah, lets pretend it was Obama who wasnt willing to work with Republicans.
It was an issue, but a minor one. If you think that it was a major plank that people voted on then you are the one who is rewriting history. Acting as though any issue that a candidate has a position on makes it a major one is a fallacy. The first 2 debates between McCain and Obama amounted to a grand total of 2 minutes worth of time talking about Healthcare. Sorry bud, it wasn't a primary level issue in 2008.
Nobody is moving the goalpost, you said I was being coy, which I most certainly am not. McConnell made it clear from the beginning he wasnt going to work with Obama, so save your revisionist history for someone else.
But the economy was in the shitter. People cared about that most.
It was total BS. He spent 2 years debating HRC that we needed a single payer and then adopted her plan.
Of course people always care about the economy but Obama's healthcare plan was a intrical part of his campaign. IT isnt like he won the presidency and then decided to address it out of the blue.
Me: the founders didn't deny anyone the right to vote
Cubs: well they didn't say everyone could vote. Same thing
Me: no, its not.
Cubs: you're changing the subject
Me: no, I'm sticking with the original premise of the conversation
Cubs: you're rewriting history
Me: shrugs. OK bud.
lol, I love how you go from a post about Mitch McConnell and make it about founders and then try to make it out as I am moving the goal posts.
Are you like 22 years old? Obamacare came out of the blue. Nobody expected healthcare to be a priority.
I literally just posted you his campaign positions on healthcare. You are simply uninformed so you try and pull out your insult card. No reason to try and insult me because you are uninformed.
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2008/president/issues/health.html
Senator Obama would prohibit insurance companies from denying coverage on the basis of health or age. He would mandate insurance for children. He also would require employers to cover their workers or pay a payroll tax to help subsidize government coverage for the uninsured. Some small businesses would be exempt, and would be offered tax credits to provide coverage for workers.
Mr. Obama would strive for universal coverage by establishing a new federal health plan for the uninsured, providing benefits comparable to those offered to federal employees. Premiums would be subsidized for low earners. Eligibility for other public programs — Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Plan — would be expanded. Mr. Obama also would establish a government exchange that would allow individuals to shop for the new public plan and approved private plans.
Among his proposals for controlling costs is a $50 billion investment in health information technology over five years.
Mr. Obama would pay for much of his plan by raising income taxes on those earning more than $250,000.
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/factsheet_healthcare.pdf
Yeah, straight out of the blue, or something, do I need to provide more links, or are you just going to continue to ignore the obvious?
That's exactly what he did. He got elected, passed a $1T spending bill and thought the economy would fix itself. A healthcare bill wasn't even on the radar until Ted Kennedy passed and Obama got all emotional wanting to do something to honor him.
THis is flat out false. I have posted several links that prove this is wrong.
Obviously you aren't old enough to remember it. NOBODY saw a healthcare bill coming until it was presented to congress.
You eat up the left wing media’s conspiracy theories then rail on Fox News. You pull out McConnell but ignore Reid before him. You think Obama is moderate and not divisive and call anyone who disagrees crazy. Trump was a direct effect of the never-ending gaslighting from the left. It’s not just me, I’m trying to tell you what half the country is thinking. You don’t want to believe it because you think your prism is reasonable and correct and everyone who disagrees is crazy and wrong. This is what’s wrong right now, not POTUS.
what's pedo? what's vape? Bolt-ons? WTF are you taking about??? Not a damn thing relating to my joke!
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...al-candidates-health-reform-proposals-choices
Here is a fun link that highlights the differences in Obama and McCain's healthcare plans, even though apparently I am wrong and Obama never mentioned healthcare before he won.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...e-costs-impact-obama-mccain-health-care-plans
Another link from 9/08 analyzing the costs of Obama and McCain's plans. Weird how they had enough information to do a cost analysis of a plan Obama brought out of the blue only after he was elected.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6083801&page=1
http://assets.usw.org/action_center/obama_parties/usw-obama-healthcare.pdf
https://www.aapsonline.org/obama-mccain-healthplans.php
And here are some more links about healthcare from the 08 campaign, even though Obama apparently never brought it up, so pretty weird there was so much information about his plan during his campaign.
Here is a fun link that highlights the differences in Obama and McCain's healthcare plans, even though apparently I am wrong and Obama never mentioned healthcare before he won.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...e-costs-impact-obama-mccain-health-care-plans
Another link from 9/08 analyzing the costs of Obama and McCain's plans. Weird how they had enough information to do a cost analysis of a plan Obama brought out of the blue only after he was elected.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6083801&page=1
http://assets.usw.org/action_center/obama_parties/usw-obama-healthcare.pdf
https://www.aapsonline.org/obama-mccain-healthplans.php
And here are some more links about healthcare from the 08 campaign, even though Obama apparently never brought it up, so pretty weird there was so much information about his plan during his campaign.
I am 40 years old, so yes I remember it and remember it well. I have posted you link after link showing you are wrong, so if you want to continue to look uninformed and stupid then go for it. I have the facts on my side and have proven it over and over to you.
Once upon a time, facts were used to enhance discussions and resolve debates. Nowadays, the Right regularly makes up their own facts (you know, 'alternative' facts) and reinvent history (don't you all remember that nobody gave a shit about health care back in 08?) in lameass efforts to 'prove' they aren't wrong.
If you don't believe me, I present Exhibit A: this thread.
If you don't believe me, I present Exhibit A: this thread.
No Trump isn't a direct effect of the left never-ending gaslighting. I get that you want to form a new narrative because he won. However, he won because he ran against HRC (same reason why Obama won). People hated Trump and HRC but Trump had more likable qualities and less Washington entrenchment, so he overwhelmingly won the toss up votes. Half the country isn't fed up like you want to believe, maybe 25-30% of the hardcore right is.
Serious question: when was the last time you presented a fact of any kind in one of these discussions?Once upon a time, facts were used to enhance discussions and resolve debates. Nowadays, the Right regularly makes up their own facts (you know, 'alternative' facts) and reinvent history (don't you all remember that nobody gave a shit about health care back in 08?) in lameass efforts to 'prove' they aren't wrong.
If you don't believe me, I present Exhibit A: this thread.
Everybody (R &D) that runs for president has a healthcare plan. However, in the middle of a huge recession, nobody expected Obama to pivot and overhaul the entire healthcare system.
I expected a medicaid expansion, and I think that was kind of the prevailing sentiment. Obamacare came out of nowhere.
Serious answer: I shared that the United States has 4% of the world's population and 29% of the COVID-19 deaths. Facts that your buddy, KNIGHTTIME, immediately tried to poo-poo.
While I didn't 'present' it here, I consider the notion that health care was a national issue back in 2008 to be a fact too--despite your assertion that "nobody saw it coming" in an Obama Presidency.
If you want serious, then start acting serious.
This is just not accurate, it was a major part of his platform. People that werent expecting it just werent paying attention I guess. I dont know what else to say about that, and I have posted link after link showing you it as a part of his campaign and platform. He didnt overhaul the entire healthcare system and actually expanded medicaid which is actually a good thing during a recession.
Only if you werent paying attention. You can keep running with this but I have posted you link after link showing you are wrong. At some point you should consider acknowledging facts.
I have common sense, so there's a pretty long list of things I know y'all don't.
He did 3 years ago, and your team was too busy pushing your bizarre Russia Conspiracy like a bad James Bond film to notice.
you are 1/2 right, the Right and Left regularly makes up their own facts.Once upon a time, facts were used to enhance discussions and resolve debates. Nowadays, the Right regularly makes up their own facts (you know, 'alternative' facts) and reinvent history (don't you all remember that nobody gave a shit about health care back in 08?) in lameass efforts to 'prove' they aren't wrong.
If you don't believe me, I present Exhibit A: this thread.
I was expecting it. And it's exactly why Obama led one of the slowest expansions coming out of a deep recession in history. Instead of driving more GDP and wage growth, he created a multi-trillion new expansion of health care bureaucracy that rammed untold regulations down small businesses' throats and sucked money out of productive growth investments.
Slowest expansions? LOL
At least he didn't lead us into deep recessions like the last two Presidents you voted for.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/02/12/susan-rice-sent-email-herself-inauguration/
Why would she send herself an email moments before Trump is inaugurated stating that everybody is innocent?
Why would she send herself an email moments before Trump is inaugurated stating that everybody is innocent?
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