Our basketball programs could seriously impact our chance for B12 invite

[SCKnight]

Well we obviously aren't a real program. At least not yet. GOL left the program in a mess. Except for one maybe two years GOL was a waste. DJ is fine. You sitting here flaunting a map that also lists Fresno State as an influence in its footprint doesnt prove anything.

You mean I provided you with a study from the New York times that shows factually that UCF is a significant factor in a rather large and competitive market? that's what you intended to say right? Otherwise you are really an ignoramus or troll. so either one I guess it amounts to the same.

 

[SCKnight]

GOL left the program in a mess. Sometimes you have to admit atrocities before you can move on.

Can you admit the atrocity that is your logic? then we can all move on.

 

[therightknight]

Can you admit the atrocity that is your logic? then we can all move on.

All you do is spout its only one year, we have a big school, we're in a big market its automatic. Then when someone says otherwise well lets see who can be the most disgusting, arrogant fan. For a program that hasnt won much in football and basketball lately our fanbase brags like we won the National Championship. While i respect you and square as fans of the program, just like i am believe it or not, it seems like this program needs to suffer more to slap that shit eating grin from the entire UCF fanbase to admit that this program is a mess and the selection of GOL was a waste. Calling me a troll isn't going to change 0-12. Its not going to change our poor record versus the P5. You can clutch to 2013 just like a gun owner is clutching his guns as Obama knocks down the door. Keep calling me a troll. The Big 12 isn't coming around anytime soon.

 

[SCKnight]

All you do is spout its only one year, we have a big school, we're in a big market its automatic. Then when someone says otherwise well lets see who can be the most disgusting, arrogant fan. For a program that hasnt won much in football and basketball lately our fanbase brags like we won the National Championship. While i respect you and square as fans of the program, just like i am believe it or not, it seems like this program needs to suffer more to slap that shit eating grin from the entire UCF fanbase to admit that this program is a mess and the selection of GOL was a waste. Calling me a troll isn't going to change 0-12. Its not going to change our poor record versus the P5. You can clutch to 2013 just like a gun owner is clutching his guns as Obama knocks down the door. Keep calling me a troll. The Big 12 isn't coming around anytime soon.

It is only one year. Yes 0-12 happened, so did 4-8 and 5-7 but so did 11-3 and 10-4 and 12-1. You like to pick and choose what you want and ignore the totality of what has taken place over the last decade. Did you forget seven bowl appearances, 2 top 20 finishes, 1 top 10 finish, 4 conference championships including 3 of the last 5 years, two divisional championships; victories over top 20 teams, victories over top 10 teams, A BCS bowl victory; top G5 attendance and tv ratings. why not clutch to your accomplishments? we are one year removed from back to back conference championships. How many other G5 programs that did not have GOL can list these accomplishments? None, and most of them with 50 years or more head start on UCF. You have no concept of what or where UCF was before GOL came to this school. He gave us recognition and respect nationally and gave us a foundation to build from. Was it time for him to retire 2 years ago? Yup. But stating that hiring him was a waste shows how little you actually know. Thus you are either a troll or just ignorant and are afraid to admit it.

You are a troll because you fail to admit any facts that disprove your assertions and generalizations. In the end you turn to 0-12 to support whatever proposition you wish to put forth.

Show me where I or any other UCF fan has said anything is automatic for UCF. We make a case for UCF as the best choice for P5 inclusion and use facts to back it up. The does not mean it will automatically happen or will ever happen. It just means we can justify our position. You respond with ridiculous generalizations and fallacies.

 

[MasterKnight]

Actually it does. You're just too biased or ignorant to see it. So, Fresno State is the top team in their tiny market. If you knew anything about California (I lived there for 8 years) you would know that Fresno is like it's own little world and a LONG way away from anyplace else.

The fact that UCF is the top team in the MUCH larger Orlando market is significant because of the close proximity of UF and the fact that UF had a huge head start as a school and as an athletic program. The fact that UCF has caught up to the Gators in such a short time is EXTREMELY significant.

Only in your little mind is UF and FSU 2nd to UCF in Orlando.

 

[MasterKnight]

All you do is spout its only one year, we have a big school, we're in a big market its automatic. Then when someone says otherwise well lets see who can be the most disgusting, arrogant fan. For a program that hasnt won much in football and basketball lately our fanbase brags like we won the National Championship. While i respect you and square as fans of the program, just like i am believe it or not, it seems like this program needs to suffer more to slap that shit eating grin from the entire UCF fanbase to admit that this program is a mess and the selection of GOL was a waste. Calling me a troll isn't going to change 0-12. Its not going to change our poor record versus the P5. You can clutch to 2013 just like a gun owner is clutching his guns as Obama knocks down the door. Keep calling me a troll. The Big 12 isn't coming around anytime soon.

I like this guy. Tell it like it is! I have been viciously attacked and even wished death upon for my dissenting opinions. Terrible stuff.

 

[SCKnight]

Only in your little mind is UF and FSU 2nd to UCF in Orlando.

In our minds and the minds of the study performed by the New York Times.

 

[Square Knight]

it seems like this program needs to suffer more to slap that shit eating grin from the entire UCF fanbase to admit that this program is a mess and the selection of GOL was a waste.

I see the problem here. IF you are a UCF fan (and that is a big if, considering you just wished for the UCF program to suffer more), your personal hatred of GOL will not allow you to see or acknowledge clear, factual information.

It appears that you, MasterKnight and UT4Texas all need to take the same remedial reading comprehension class. None of us is saying UCF is entitled to B12 membership. We are looking at the various sports news sources who list UCF as a potential expansion candidate along with BYU, Cincinnati, UCONN, Memphis, Houston, USF. west. When we compare our accomplishments to these other schools, UCF comes out on top.

Which of those schools has won 4 football conference championships in the last eight years? None. UCF wins that category.

Which of those schools has finished in the Top 10 once and Top 20 another time in the last six years? Only Houston, a school in a city where the B12 already gets credit for their TV viewers. Advantage - UCF. BYU did finish Top 25 four times between 2006 and 2009, a little earlier than the six year timeline. So, advantage BYU if you go back a little farther.

Which of those schools won 31 or more games over any three year period in the last 10 years? Only BYU back in the 2006 - 2009 timeframe and Cincinnati from 2007 - 2009. UCF's run is more recent than BYU and Cincinnati while BYU's outstanding run was four years instead of three.

Which of those schools has already demonstrated a large fanbase through average football attendance over the last seven years? BYU and UCF clearly lead the pack. UCF's average is several thousand higher than anyone else and embarrassingly higher than Houston and USF.

To be continued...after dinner

 

[MasterKnight]

In our minds and the minds of the study performed by the New York Times.

Share the report with me

 

[MasterKnight]

I see the problem here. IF you are a UCF fan (and that is a big if, considering you just wished for the UCF program to suffer more), your personal hatred of GOL will not allow you to see or acknowledge clear, factual information.

It appears that you, MasterKnight and UT4Texas all need to take the same remedial reading comprehension class. None of us is saying UCF is entitled to B12 membership. We are looking at the various sports news sources who list UCF as a potential expansion candidate along with BYU, Cincinnati, UCONN, Memphis, Houston, USF. west. When we compare our accomplishments to these other schools, UCF comes out on top.

Which of those schools has won 4 football conference championships in the last eight years? None. UCF wins that category.

Which of those schools has finished in the Top 10 once and Top 20 another time in the last six years? Only Houston, a school in a city where the B12 already gets credit for their TV viewers. Advantage - UCF. BYU did finish Top 25 four times between 2006 and 2009, a little earlier than the six year timeline. So, advantage BYU if you go back a little farther.

Which of those schools won 31 or more games over any three year period in the last 10 years? Only BYU back in the 2006 - 2009 timeframe and Cincinnati from 2007 - 2009. UCF's run is more recent than BYU and Cincinnati while BYU's outstanding run was four years instead of three.

Which of those schools has already demonstrated a large fanbase through average football attendance over the last seven years? BYU and UCF clearly lead the pack. UCF's average is several thousand higher than anyone else and embarrassingly higher than Houston and USF.

To be continued...after dinner

So BYU and Cincy over UCF. I did say UCF is a top 5 candidate. I'll let you bump up UCF over Memphis and Houston on my list. I've never said that temple, uconn, usf, ecu etc were better candidates.

Personally, In my dreamland, UCF earns it and makes it to the SEC as part of a 5 16-team conference landscape to give Florida an in state and in conference foe. I'd like those 80 teams to be FBS and the rest demoted. After all I did get my masters from the school and would like to actually care about them as a big league school.

 

[Square Knight]

So BYU and Cincy over UCF. I did say UCF is a top 5 candidate. I'll let you bump up UCF over Memphis and Houston on my list. I've never said that temple, uconn, usf, ecu etc were better candidates.

So of the four categories I mentioned, UCF tops Cincinnati in in three of them and basically ties in the fourth category, and somehow you think the data supports Cincinnati over UCF?

Amazing!

And I did not even get to the fifth category. UCF has a BCS win...Cincinnati...umm...nothing there!

That basically puts UCF up over Cincy by a score of 4-0 with one tie.

 

[MasterKnight]

Geography. Go research where cincy is ranked among G5 candidates or the amount of times they are mentioned when it comes to big 12 expansion. Keep living in your dream world you black and gold slurper

 

[Square Knight]

You are right. Geography (specifically the proximity of Cincinnati to WVU) is the only reason that Cinci is speculated to be the top candidate by people who have no say in the decision.

So, we just have to see if UCF's objective 40% advantage in TV value over Cinci is enough to overcome Cinci's subjective geographical advantage.

 

[Ace of Knights]

@Square Knight why do you continue to argue with someone that no matter what you say and what facts are presented will disregard them. These trolls are getting exactly what they want from all who argue back at them.

They have poisoned every single discussion on this board because they get a rise out of those who argue back. He was banned once already and had to create a new name to post again. That should say all there is to know about this piece of human garbage.

 

[Square Knight]

If I actually ever get angry or frustrated by any of them, I'll stop.

I find it humorous and fun that they are unable to grasp simple concepts. To me it's almost like playing with children. It passes the time and they often say such hilarious things!

 

[MasterKnight]

If I actually ever get angry or frustrated by any of them, I'll stop.

I find it humorous and fun that they are unable to grasp simple concepts. To me it's almost like playing with children. It passes the time and they often say such hilarious things!

Apparently I'm the only who shares the same opinion? So UCF being the top candidate is unanimous? No what I find funny is none of you can handle a difference in opinion that doesn't jive with "UCF is an inevitable power" sentiment. Google top big 12 candidates and you won't the Knights at the top in all lists.

 

[Knight_Light]

If I actually ever get angry or frustrated by any of them, I'll stop.

I find it humorous and fun that they are unable to grasp simple concepts. To me it's almost like playing with children. It passes the time and they often say such hilarious things!

Actually, the trolls "get that"...but they are just trolling you...and if you don't understand that and continued to respond over and over and over again (to trolls that most of us have on ignore), I'll just add you to that same ignore list too.

 

[Ace of Knights]

It's not fun for the rest of us. I have them on ignore but I can tell when others are arguing with them. Especially when an entire thread is hijacked.

 

[goodknightfl]

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ege-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/?_r=0

Scroll down to CUSA and read the area below it.

Outside of BYU and ND, UCF at that time was the top non BCS TV draw. and that was before the AAC run.

 

[SCKnight]

Share the report with me

It was already shared in a link in this thread broken down by zip code.

 

[Square Knight]

OK...I'll bow to the wishes of the TRUE UCF fans...after one last post that is.

So, lets see...where were we. Oh yea. After discussing Conference Championships, BCS/Access Bowl wins, fan base/average attendance, Top 10/Top 20 finishes, and comparing consecutive year high win total seasons, UCF has a 4-0-1 lead over Cincinnati.

Local TV Market: UCF #19 and moving up. Cincinnati #36 and moving down. UCF Wins.

State TV Market: UCF in a state with 7,111,010 TV Households. Cincinnati in a state with 4,480,800 TV households. Just for the purposes of a conference network (3rd Tier TV rights only) UCF has a $37.5 Million per year advantage over Cincinnati. For anyone who doesn't believe that, do your own extensive research (like I did) on how conference networks make their money and how much they make per subscriber in an "in market" state. UCF wins by a crushing margin

School Size: Huge student population and on campus stadium is what has enabled UCF to grow from 4th place (behind UF, FSU, and Miami) to first place in it's own market. UCF has about 52,000 undergraduate students. Cincinnati has about 33,000 undergraduate students. That gives UCF the ability to grow it's fanbase approximately 36% faster.

So, UCF is now out to a 7-0-1 lead over Cincinnati.

I will throw the anti-UCF crowd a bone and talk about academics, geography, and a single football season.

University Ranking: US News and Forbes have Cincinnati slightly ahead of UCF, although both are in the same neighborhood. Advantage Cincinnati. UCF is a member of the University Innovation Alliance along with UT and Iowa State, so President Hitt has had an opportunity to discuss non-athletic issues with the Presidents of two B12 schools on a routine basis. He is smart enough and knows how to get things done that you know he finds a way to work in a conversation about athletics now and then.

Geography: Cincinnati is considered the best option to help out WVU geographically.

2015 football season: Horrible for UCF. Mediocre for Cincinnati considering they were picked to win the conference by a lot of people. Advantage Cincinnati.

So even after including Cincinnati's big advantages, it is still a 7-3-1 lead for UCF. End of discussion. The facts speak for themselves.

 

[MasterKnight]

OK...I'll bow to the wishes of the TRUE UCF fans...after one last post that is.

So, lets see...where were we. Oh yea. After discussing Conference Championships, BCS/Access Bowl wins, fan base/average attendance, Top 10/Top 20 finishes, and comparing consecutive year high win total seasons, UCF has a 4-0-1 lead over Cincinnati.

Local TV Market: UCF #19 and moving up. Cincinnati #36 and moving down. UCF Wins.

State TV Market: UCF in a state with 7,111,010 TV Households. Cincinnati in a state with 4,480,800 TV households. Just for the purposes of a conference network (3rd Tier TV rights only) UCF has a $37.5 Million per year advantage over Cincinnati. For anyone who doesn't believe that, do your own extensive research (like I did) on how conference networks make their money and how much they make per subscriber in an "in market" state. UCF wins by a crushing margin

School Size: Huge student population and on campus stadium is what has enabled UCF to grow from 4th place (behind UF, FSU, and Miami) to first place in it's own market. UCF has about 52,000 undergraduate students. Cincinnati has about 33,000 undergraduate students. That gives UCF the ability to grow it's fanbase approximately 36% faster.

So, UCF is now out to a 7-0-1 lead over Cincinnati.

I will throw the anti-UCF crowd a bone and talk about academics, geography, and a single football season.

University Ranking: US News and Forbes have Cincinnati slightly ahead of UCF, although both are in the same neighborhood. Advantage Cincinnati. UCF is a member of the University Innovation Alliance along with UT and Iowa State, so President Hitt has had an opportunity to discuss non-athletic issues with the Presidents of two B12 schools on a routine basis. He is smart enough and knows how to get things done that you know he finds a way to work in a conversation about athletics now and then.

Geography: Cincinnati is considered the best option to help out WVU geographically.

2015 football season: Horrible for UCF. Mediocre for Cincinnati considering they were picked to win the conference by a lot of people. Advantage Cincinnati.

So even after including Cincinnati's big advantages, it is still a 7-3-1 lead for UCF. End of discussion. The facts speak for themselves.

Will you still be here to eat crow if UCF gets passed up in the next year or 2?

 

[Lord Christopher]

I didn't know basketball programs made that much of a difference. I didn't know selling programs for a few dollars would get us into the Power 5. I usually buy them just for the stats. Most of the time they are filled with a bunch of advertising. But, who knew.