Francis is definitely annoying vs. Benedict XVI. Best geopolitical Catholic leader since Grandpa A.
PA priests raped over 1000 kids
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The Catholic Church needs to allow priests to marry, have children, and live normal lives like other Christian denominations. You never hear these child abuse issues with the Methodists, Baptists, etc (or definitely not on the same scale). But I guess the Catholics would rather be a backwards pedo club in this regard...
True....They're too busy flying in their private planes and asking people to donate their last dollar on television so they can buy a bigger mansion....
Or we don’t want to listen to what Protestants have to say. Jesus founded the Catholic Church. The Protestant movement was formed when Henry Tudor wanted to axe his wife and marry 7 more times
Uh..no. Peter founded the Roman Catholic Church based on what he and others learned from Jesus. Other disciples founded other churches but Peter's became supreme when his church managed to convert a sitting Roman Emperor, who then wanted to pacify the rest of his empire that had become engulfed in strife over competing regional interpretations of Jesus' teachings.
Martin Luther started the Protestant movement. Henry VIII later started the English Catholic (Episcopal) church for the reasons you listed.
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I think what Ninja was trying to say is that we have threads on here about stuff like, drugs or Transgenderism and people jump in and say that those issues are what’s causing the degradation of American society. Meanwhile, thousands of kids were molested and most people in here are way less severe when in reality besides murder, this is probably as gross and severe a crime you can commit.
I’m not saying the church itself is the problem with society. I think religion is a great moral compass (when used correctly) for children (and if you so please, as an adult but every adult should be able to choose their religious path) but when stuff likes this happens people more or less bat an eye at it and move on. Something needs to change. People can’t slip through the cracks because...religion.
People don't bat an eye and move on - that's a manufactured lie. People like us, actual Catholics, have been dealing with this internally for years now and demanding changes and action. Just because some documented anti-Christian parachutes in every few years to declare that the Church should be eradicated over this doesn't mean that Catholics are not demanding accountability for this crap.
There's also the fact that the PA report was horrid and awful, but the majority of the abuse cases were in the past - some of them going back 70 years.
More importantly, why are the (prior) Pennsylvania abuses and ensuing coverup just now coming to light after more than a decade of well publicized similar issues in other Dioceses? Clearly the accountability supposedly being demanded is falling on (deliberately) deaf ears.
He starts a new thread every day whining about the mean democrats and the dangers of transgenders using public bathrooms, isn't he doing enough?
Besides, didn't you read the last line? Some of these are old, so they don't matter.
Like I said before: insanity.
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Uhhh because they were covered up by many priests who are now dead or no longer in the Church . They unfortunately did a good job at it back then. I am addressing what can be done to stop any/all future or current would be sick assholes who are in the clergy. I am unable at this point to time travel back 20-70 years to demand the priests in PA be exposed.
Nope. It took a state investigation to dig this up. The church knew there were systematic abuses in other dioceses and promised to do something about it. They did a bang up job by the looks of it.
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Sure, many of pedo priests are now dead, but the current bishop of Washington is being charged for covering it up, and if the church had been sincere about fixing the problem a decade ago it wouldn't have taken the state of Pennsylvania to step up now.
Nope. It took a state investigation to dig this up. The church knew there were systematic abuses in other dioceses and promised to do something about it. They did a bang up job by the looks of it.
Sure, many of pedo priests are now dead, but the current bishop of Washington is being charged for covering it up, and if the church had been sincere about fixing the problem a decade ago it wouldn't have taken the state of Pennsylvania to step up now.
I understand you're here to paint the picture that nothing has been done internally within the Church on any of this but it's wrong. I've sat on many open sessions with the Bishop of St Pete, who was there with 10 other Bishops from around the southeast, and they stated in no uncertain terms that any/all claims of abuse will now ALWAYS be given to an outside investigative office comprised of former or current law enforcement.
So next time look him straight in the eye and ask him to swear on his immortal soul that he personally has never abused a child, never covered up others child abuse in the past, and doesn't know of any still serving clergy that have done so.
That would be demanding accountability.
I love how 85, the same guy who whines every day about how Bill Clinton might have raped one person, is defending to the death an organization that has 100% raped thousands of children
Insanity.
Insanity.
Similarly in the way protestants looked into the eyes of the native Americans and determined they were devil worshiping savages and committed genocide. They needed to repent and worship their God. Soulless pagans.
Then the protestants looked into the eyes of the Salem women and demanded they confess they weren't witches and then.... burned and drowned them.
And then southern protestants looked into the eyes of blacks and demanded they admit they were sub-human....very effective stuff. While the master slept with women slave boys and girls....but God was on his side.
All these acts were evil and institutionalized. Time and better people would expose and correct it. I dont feel any less American. I love the country. I dont care who or where u are from....you'll find evil and great folks. Just learn and improve.
I just assume evil is everywhere and when noticed, stop it and correct it. Own it. Dont spin it. Wrong is wrong.
Already done that. But since you know it all here, I'm sure you already knew that.
You're here to fling shit and make assumptions. Well done.
Sure you did....and I will proudly fling shit at pedophiles and the institutions that harbor them. I am glad you are still a proud member of that church, someone has to bankroll all those victims settlements.
Don't you know? Churches do so much for the community...with that 0.4 - 2 % of tithes that are spent on the needy.
So the Pope released a letter today promising to hold child molesters and those that cover for them accountable for their crimes, but he didnt provide any indication of what measures he is prepared to take to sanction those bishops who covered up for rapists.
It was just 2 years ago that he vetoed a proposed Vatican tribunal to prosecute negligent bishops, and he has refused to act on credible reports from around the world of bishops who have failed to report abusers to police.
https://www.nola.com/religion/index.ssf/2016/06/pope_scraps_tribunal_for_bisho.html
It was just 2 years ago that he vetoed a proposed Vatican tribunal to prosecute negligent bishops, and he has refused to act on credible reports from around the world of bishops who have failed to report abusers to police.
https://www.nola.com/religion/index.ssf/2016/06/pope_scraps_tribunal_for_bisho.html
im going to go out on a limb here and bet that nothing will happen....
You guys don't know, 85 looked one of the funny hat wearing guys in the eye and told him there will be change (this time).
Lol ok, hateful ignorant bigot
I stood in front of Bishop Lynch at a Cominf Home event 3 years ago and asked a near identical question in front of 60 other parish members.
But like I said you have all the answers and of course already knew that.
I have never claimed to have all the answers, but based on what's been posted by the two of us in this thread, I certainly know more about the history of the Christian church than you do. The rest is debatable.
My church is great. We spend all our money strengthening the faith of our members and we could probably do a lot more good, being in an affluent area and having the budget we have, but we also don't rape.
Sounds like a typical American church, ~1% of tithes and offerings go to the actually needy, the rest to pay for a tax free country club atmosphere for its members. But does your church spend 3 Billion (yes, with a "B") dollars of your tithe money to pay for sex abuse cases?
Lol! Ok then. You just asserted that I attend Mass and donate to my local parish in order to protect child abusers. As I said, you’re a hateful person and a bigot.
LMAO. Anyone who dares to raise a signal question about how thousands of kids were raped and the rape covered up is automatically a bigot according to 85. How you get through a single day with such a massive victim complex is incredible.
Why are you holding churches to the standard that they must spend all their money helping the poor? Strengthening the faith of its members, helping them with their struggles is a noble cause too.
Not everything is about you. Don't be so self absorbed.
Then I can only assume you're responding to the 1 person I have on ignore, which seems nearly impossible since it would mean that you dared to disagree with him on something.
Crazy concept for you ahead: some people actually think for themselves, and don't swallow their party's line like a $2 hooker.
Many people have done amazing things in the name of God, and many people have perpetrated atrocities and inflicted great harm on others using God as an excuse. This isn't any different.
Agreed. Not only that but I'm not sure that married priests would ultimately solve anything. It assumes that married folks can't be pedophiles which is totally inaccurate.
Completely agree. These scandals are a result of: 1) not allowing priests to marry which automatically made the priesthood a sanctuary for gay men; and 2) continuing to proclaim homosexuality is a sin which pushed these gay priests 'underground' where they have to hide their sexuality and fall prey to temptations with the young and most vulnerable members of their congregations.
Yeah!! The Catholic church is causing all the temptation with their crazy outdated dogma that the priests knew they'd have to live by... because pedophilia does not occur with married heterosexual couples, openly gay men, married gays, and in the closet gays!!
