President doesn't care about USA Troops being slaughtered.
@Ucfmikes and @UCFKnight85 care more about how it got leaked.
@Ucfmikes and @UCFKnight85 care more about how it got leaked.
President doesn't care about USA Troops being slaughtered.
@Ucfmikes and @UCFKnight85 care more about how it got leaked.
Some people care more about the Wall Street Journal than actual factsPresident doesn't care about USA Troops being slaughtered.
@Ucfmikes and @UCFKnight85 care more about how it got leaked.
Yawn. The forgotten posterThey also care more about a football player kneeling for a song than they do about bounties being put on the heads of our troops.
Yawn. The forgotten poster
No..., actually I don’t care about kneeling. It has to be the most useless, lazy, worthless form of protesting in the history of mankind
The NFL can kiss their ratings goodbye
Correct, there are losers in this thread. They obviously don’t interact with other humans in person on a regular basis.There are degenerate white supremacists in this thread making these a shine claims. They’re losers.
Isn't that the most bizarre take ever??!?But dont kneel for the flag or you dont support the troops.
Maga Trash Guide to Trump Doing Something Awful:Isn't that the most bizarre take ever??!?
Trump race-baits his minions into believing that respectfully kneeling for the anthem as a peaceful expression of protest is somehow 'unpatriotic' yet our Draft-Dodger-in-Chief doesn't give a shit about Russian bounties on our troops because if he did, it might piss off his puppet master.
Glad 'Real Americans' have their priorities straight.*
Trump was notified of bounties in writing and now the WH says Trump didnt know because it wasn't read out loud to him.
So basically Trump is too dumb to be kept informed of major global political developments. To afraid to sanction Russia. Wants to invite Russia back to the geopolitical table at the same time he should be learning that Russia is paying bounties on American heads.
But dont kneel for the flag or you dont support the troops.
Did you read your own quote or did you just get a little boner for the first section so fast that you had to hurry over here and post it?WSJ:
The National Security Agency strongly dissented from other intelligence agencies’ assessment that Russia paid bounties for the killing of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, according to people familiar with the matter.
The disclosure of the dissent by the NSA, which specializes in electronic eavesdropping, comes as the White House has played down the revelations, saying that the information wasn’t verified and that intelligence officials didn’t agree on it.
Because of that, President Trump was never personally briefed on the threat, the White House said, although the information was included in written intelligence materials prepared for Mr. Trump and has been known for several months, some lawmakers said after briefings this week at the White House.
It couldn’t be learned why the NSA differed from others—including the Central Intelligence Agency—about the strength of the intelligence. The differences weren’t over the central assessment that operatives with Russia’s GRU intelligence agency paid bounties to the insurgent Taliban movement to kill Americans, some of the people said.
The differences weren’t over the central assessment that operatives with Russia’s GRU intelligence agency paid bounties to the insurgent Taliban movement to kill Americans
Did you read your own quote or did you just get a little boner for the first section so fast that you had to hurry over here and post it?
Ill help you out:
The "they didnt disagree that russia offered the Taliban bounties to kill americans" matters most.The what, the how, and the who matters dipshit.
What is the story here that we’re all supposed to be angry about anyways?The what, the how, and the who matters dipshit.
The "they didnt disagree that russia offered the Taliban bounties to kill americans" matters most.
It was in writing and trump didnt bother to read it.
He demanded Russia be readmitted to the G7.
This is how it usually goes when stuff like this comes out on Donald:
1. This is a flat-out lie, he never knew, fake news. This works for a few days and gives his base something with which to argue. Then the narrative turns to:
2. The people above him knew, never told him, it wasn't on his radar. His base then has a new direction to go. Finally:
3. It was on his desk, he had to read it, he didn't--it's a complete 180 from #1 where it was a flat-out lie. This has happened countless times over the course of the past 3+ years.
Rinse. Repeat. Recycle.
Jesus Christ, Trump throws our military in Afghanistan under the bus in hopes of getting Russia back in the G8 and you ask what's the big deal??!?Fine. Let's mutually agree the G7 stuff was a mistake; then what? What punitive measure are you guys looking for amongst all of this hyperventilating? Aside from starting an armed conflict with Russia, I'm failing to see what could have been done to appease the screaming masses.
Fine. Let's mutually agree the G7 stuff was a mistake; then what? What punitive measure are you guys looking for amongst all of this hyperventilating? Aside from starting an armed conflict with Russia, I'm failing to see what could have been done to appease the screaming masses.
Jesus Christ, Trump throws our military in Afghanistan under the bus in hopes of getting Russia back in the G8 and you ask what's the big deal??!?
You'd think even partisan hacks like 85 could figure out why 'the screaming masses' are pissed off with our Commander-in-Chief.
You big hurt.That’s not what I said you disingenuous steaming pile of shit
I don't normally come over here and wade in the cesspool of humanity in the Water Cooler (it is often much like looking at the comments section at just about any site) but there is such a lack of sports to discuss I thought I'd peruse for a few minutes. I didn't bother reading the other 3 pages of posts.His response certainly lacks tact, but regarding the topic: if anyone thinks this or some other form of support by the Russians hasn't been going on since we were first over there, you're playing yourself. Same goes for all the other places we fight terrorism. I mean we were helping out the rebels when they were in there back in the day. Doesn't make their actions right, but its a reality of the proxy wars of today.
You think an appropriate response to this is to demand Russia be readmitted to the G7?I don't normally come over here and wade in the cesspool of humanity in the Water Cooler (it is often much like looking at the comments section at just about any site) but there is such a lack of sports to discuss I thought I'd peruse for a few minutes. I didn't bother reading the other 3 pages of posts.
"You are correct, Sir!", as Ed McMahon used to say. The minute the first US boot set foot (or bomb) in Afghanistan you know the Russians (and others) were funneling money, weapons, training and support into that conflict to kill American troops. Funny how news organizations, and media in general....all of them so far as I've seen, have just completely left this out of the conversation, as if it never happened. Hysteria runs the media nowadays and almost nobody wants to take the time to research and write a factual story with some meat and provide objective context when necessary. By the time you do that, someone else has already garnered those clicks (or put up their latest post) and you are thus insignificant, so poor journalism continues. It's hard to imagine that not a single person or editor within each major news company wouldn't raise there hand in a meeting and say something like, "Didn't we directly spend 100's of millions...probably in excess of a billion dollars directly funding the Mujaheddin to kill Russian troops?"
There was once a little 10 year war fought in Afghanistan called the Soviet-Afghan War. Roughly 15K Russian soldiers were killed, ~90k Afghan soldiers, and millions of Afghan's displaced (not to mention the estimated 500 thousand to 2 million civilians estimated to have been killed). A quite entertaining movie made about it is called Charlie Wilson's War (Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts and Phillip Seymour Hoffman). Hoffman's dry sarcasm about what they are doing and what is going on throughout the movie is pretty epic.
What about that other non-existent and forgotten piece of history called the Cold War. How many times did the US and Russia use third party countries to spar with each other?
This incident or whatever you want to label it should be treated just like any other. Assess and if their is a response needed, you do it. Maybe a drone strike occurred yesterday (or in the past) and we're never even going to hear about it. Every day Trump, Obama, Bush, etc... are/were being briefed on "threats", intel, and other things. You can bet they all made good calls and bad calls, but I do know if a decision is making it all the way up to the President, it means it is a tough decision nobody else was willing to make. The world of Intel and associated context is much more an art than a science.
Not readmitted, which won't happen regardless but they probably should be invited to attend. If so much of the focus of the summit is on Russia they might as well be there to see if concessions are possible. In all honesty I doubt that Russia even cares about being a member and nobody really cares about the G7 anyway.You think an appropriate response to this is to demand Russia be readmitted to the G7?
When did I ever say that? Rhetorical question....I didn't. You said that. I said I hadn't read anything past the first post I responded to, which had several pages of comments following it.You think an appropriate response to this is to demand Russia be readmitted to the G7?
No one is shocked that russia is our enemy except Donald who has consistently gone to bat for them on the worlds stage while every other country is left scratching their heads. The fact that this was going on as Trump made demands for Russia's inclusion in the G7 tells you he's either compromised or incompetent. No president should ever be fighting for a nation that is activly trying to kill its soldiers. Ally nations that sent their own troops to die in our wars were being demonized by Trump as a nation that tried to have our troops killed was being praised.When did I ever say that? Rhetorical question....I didn't. You said that. I said I hadn't read anything past the first post I responded to, which had several pages of comments following it.
This specific incident (or whatever people want to label it) has nothing to do with the G7 or anything else. It has to do with one thing: Fighting a war on foreign soil, and when you do so officially, or by proxy, your "enemies" are going to show up and try to thwart your efforts or supply the other side with the means to inflict harm (up to and including death). We've been doing it to each other since the Cold War began. Is the general public that naive to think the Russians haven't been paying, training, and arming Afghans to kill our troops there since day 1? I hope not. Is that same public naive enough to think we haven't bombed or killed threats of this kind many, many times before? I hope not. Is the public naive enough to think we didn't spend hundreds of millions of dollars (or even surpassing a billion) to directly have the Mujaheddin fighters kill Russian troops? I hope not.
Are we now going to "Cry Wolf" and demand that we go back and ask the Intel Agencies (and the Executive Office) to release all their intel briefings for the last 60-70 years and assess the decision-making for each of those tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands (or even more) documents and decisions, then try and cherry-pick out a couple and judge each President on those specific decisions? I think not. I hope not. That's ridiculous.
Obama was pretty efficient at ordering drone-strikes to take out people (or targets), much like every other President has had to do in some fashion. I'm certain many of those decisions killed innocent people, or the wrong "enemy". I'm also certain there are too many incidents to count, where a decision to not act on Intel was made and then because of that death and destruction followed. We have processes in place to provide information on "threats", someone does or doesn't make decisions based on that info, and then after an action a post-action assessment is performed. Is anybody going to get them right all the time? No. Are mistakes going to be made? Yes. Is the process infallible? No.
The difference now is that there are people willing to leak this stuff to the press at the drop of a hat. It's time that we started enforcing our federal laws and put people in jail for the media leaks of classified information.I don't normally come over here and wade in the cesspool of humanity in the Water Cooler (it is often much like looking at the comments section at just about any site) but there is such a lack of sports to discuss I thought I'd peruse for a few minutes. I didn't bother reading the other 3 pages of posts.
"You are correct, Sir!", as Ed McMahon used to say. The minute the first US boot set foot (or bomb) in Afghanistan you know the Russians (and others) were funneling money, weapons, training and support into that conflict to kill American troops. Funny how news organizations, and media in general....all of them so far as I've seen, have just completely left this out of the conversation, as if it never happened. Hysteria runs the media nowadays and almost nobody wants to take the time to research and write a factual story with some meat and provide objective context when necessary. By the time you do that, someone else has already garnered those clicks (or put up their latest post) and you are thus insignificant, so poor journalism continues. It's hard to imagine that not a single person or editor within each major news company wouldn't raise there hand in a meeting and say something like, "Didn't we directly spend 100's of millions...probably in excess of a billion dollars directly funding the Mujaheddin to kill Russian troops?"
There was once a little 10 year war fought in Afghanistan called the Soviet-Afghan War. Roughly 15K Russian soldiers were killed, ~90k Afghan soldiers, and millions of Afghan's displaced (not to mention the estimated 500 thousand to 2 million civilians estimated to have been killed). A quite entertaining movie made about it is called Charlie Wilson's War (Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts and Phillip Seymour Hoffman). Hoffman's dry sarcasm about what they are doing and what is going on throughout the movie is pretty epic.
What about that other non-existent and forgotten piece of history called the Cold War. How many times did the US and Russia use third party countries to spar with each other?
This incident or whatever you want to label it should be treated just like any other. Assess and if their is a response needed, you do it. Maybe a drone strike occurred yesterday (or in the past) and we're never even going to hear about it. Every day Trump, Obama, Bush, etc... are/were being briefed on "threats", intel, and other things. You can bet they all made good calls and bad calls, but I do know if a decision is making it all the way up to the President, it means it is a tough decision nobody else was willing to make. The world of Intel and associated context is much more an art than a science.
No president should ever be fighting for a nation that is activly trying to kill its soldiers.
Its amazing that everytime you point out suposed hypocrisy of a liberal only taking one side of an issue you're blind to you yourself only taking the other side and also outing yourself as a hypocrite.It's incredible that you can say this while still kissing the ass of our past President, who fought tooth and nail to provide Iran with a sweetheart deal they did not deserve, and huge sums of money they did not deserve, having already killed scores of US troops and actively plotting to do the same in the future.
Its amazing that everytime you point out suposed hypocrisy of a liberal only taking one side of an issue you're blind to you yourself only taking the other side and also outing yourself as a hypocrite.
Na dude, you're now trying to invalidate a valid concern by relitigating an Iran deal that isnt even in the discussion. Trump is incompetent or compromised, you can pick, both are unacceptable.I've said the G7 invite is a mistake. You dig into a position and maintain it at all costs, even when your own viewpoint is directly contradicted and hypocritical.