SCOTUS rulings…
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Americans of Faith have every right to believe whatever they choose to believe. But it should be common sense that one's religious rights end when the belief involves denying other people their civil rights.
None of the rulings surprised me whatsoever.
Student loans? Roberts used Pelosi's "Biden has no authority to cancel student loan debt."
Affirmative Action? Surprised this hasn't happened sooner.
Refusing to make websites for gay weddings? How was this any different than the Colorado cake maker?
In terms of the latter: I feel like you do this at your own peril in today's times, especially on the grounds of "I don't wanna do it for the gays." This isn't 1963--most of the country doesn't have a problem with gay marriage at all. You want to preserve your views/free speech? Fine. You also run the risk of tanking your establishment as a result, which, to me, is a fate worse than *gasp* having to create something for a cause you don't believe in.
Student loans? Roberts used Pelosi's "Biden has no authority to cancel student loan debt."
Affirmative Action? Surprised this hasn't happened sooner.
Refusing to make websites for gay weddings? How was this any different than the Colorado cake maker?
In terms of the latter: I feel like you do this at your own peril in today's times, especially on the grounds of "I don't wanna do it for the gays." This isn't 1963--most of the country doesn't have a problem with gay marriage at all. You want to preserve your views/free speech? Fine. You also run the risk of tanking your establishment as a result, which, to me, is a fate worse than *gasp* having to create something for a cause you don't believe in.
US Gov bailing out 10 (yes, ten) billionaires at Silicon Valley Bank for $13.3 BILLION: Sure of course
US Gov forgiving hundreds of thousands of normal people for the $43.8 MILLION in federally held student debt: hell no
But yeah keep worrying about what bathroom someone uses. Morons.
US Gov forgiving hundreds of thousands of normal people for the $43.8 MILLION in federally held student debt: hell no
But yeah keep worrying about what bathroom someone uses. Morons.
I find some people’s obsession with race in college admissions laughable. First off, 95% of colleges and universities have published requirements which makes ‘affirmative action’ irrelevant. But as sure as UCFBS will tout his Covid conspiracy theories, you can count on the hayseed parents of a dumbass kid to claim Poor Johnny was 'passed over' for some Black kid due to Affirmative Action.
For the small minority of schools with actual competitve admissions, the SCOTUS wants all decisions based strictly on "merit."
Ooookay, I guess Admissions Committees will have to ignore race and stick with the usual academic stuff AND--OF COURSE--legacies, and gender, and geography, and political connections, and future donor opportunities, and athletic ability, and artistic ability, and musical abilities--hey, the music director is in desperate need of an Obo player.
About the ruling on the website designer, that one was fairly narrow. They didn’t rule that she could avoid working for LGBT customers. They just ruled that the LGBT customers couldn’t force her to produce content that conflicted with her reasonably held religious beliefs. Which should be a decent middle ground. Especially since there’s a huge number of providers in the space that will gladly produce the content that you want.
Which brings up the question of why you want to use the power of government to force someone to do your whims when you can very easily turn your business to someone who wants to serve you? At what point do you swing from being the oppressed to being the oppressor?
The web designer sued the State of Colorado. It was never a real case. No gay couple would 'force their whims' on a company that didn't want their business. It was a made-up suit designed to do what it did---make its way to the SCOTUS.
Violating another person's civil rights should never be a religious right.
Ironically, the woman says she is a "Christian." I guess 'do unto others as you would have others do unto you' wasn't Jesus Christ's message after all. Who knew?
Just so everyone is now clear, the new rule if you need a cake for any reason: you first tell the baker it's for a gay wedding. Only after they agree to make it then you can tell them what it's really for, explaining you didn't want to give business to a bigoted piece of shit.
After all the terrible excuse for christians go out of business we are only left with decent human beings, it's like evolution for cakes.
After all the terrible excuse for christians go out of business we are only left with decent human beings, it's like evolution for cakes.
Not following the logic... If race, gender, sexual orientation have no bearing on performance, why is it a factor for any applications?
About the fairly narrow bit: https://www.vox.com/scotus/2023/6/3...lgbtq-ruling-neil-gorsuch-303-creative-elenis
Also, if this is true why the hell is the SCOTUS listening to fake arguments? Maybe they can next take up Homer Simpson's all-you-can-eat buffet lawsuit when he gets kicked out.
Key document may be fake in LGBTQ+ rights case before US supreme court
Christian website designer says she received email request from same-sex couple but ‘author’ says he did not send it – and is not gay
Race: Most people today live in an increasingly multicultural society. Shouldn't our colleges and universities reflect that to prepare their students for success?
Fortunately, this country is The Land of the Free, right? There are, and have always been, options for 'concerned' parents who don't want their precious, innocent teen to be forced to interact with students of other races in college.
Gender: Most students want to attend school where there is a healthy mix between genders. Again, that's the real world. However, over the past four decades, the balance across the country has increasingly skewed towards females. Trust me, the dirty little secret with competitive college admissions today is the "plus-factor" for being a male.
Sexual Orientation: Huh? Show me a school with that question on their applications. At best, applicants might talk about it on their college essays.
Focus on MERIT, Colleges! Folks LOVE to opine schools should "take the best" applicants. But when a school features top-notch programs in the sciences, the humanities, music, and the arts--your view of who is the best depends on your perspective.
This 'Just focus on MERIT' business gets a bit muddled when the definition of merit is different for different people. Is it the nerd with the perfect SAT score? Is it the young writer who has shown early promise? Is it the disabled kid who persevered despite growing up in the state's foster parent system? Is it a great oboe player? A talented artist? A five-star athlete?
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This is basically an example of legislating from the bench.
It undeniably is. Who were the ones whining incessantly about "activist judges"?
Today's GOP is the definition of hypocrisy.
Another viewpoint, if you care:About the fairly narrow bit: https://www.vox.com/scotus/2023/6/3...lgbtq-ruling-neil-gorsuch-303-creative-elenis
Also, if this is true why the hell is the SCOTUS listening to fake arguments? Maybe they can next take up Homer Simpson's all-you-can-eat buffet lawsuit when he gets kicked out.
Key document may be fake in LGBTQ+ rights case before US supreme court
Christian website designer says she received email request from same-sex couple but ‘author’ says he did not send it – and is not gaywww.theguardian.com
The Supreme Court’s ‘303 Creative’ Decision – Right Result but Not...
"Freedom of contract, property rights, and economic liberties in general became disfavored as advocates of big government got their way. That is why cases like 303 Creative have to be litigated under the First Amendment." ~ George Leef
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Another viewpoint, if you care:
The Supreme Court’s ‘303 Creative’ Decision – Right Result but Not...
"Freedom of contract, property rights, and economic liberties in general became disfavored as advocates of big government got their way. That is why cases like 303 Creative have to be litigated under the First Amendment." ~ George Leef
Thanks for sharing. As I said earlier, this case was not surprising to me especially in light of the SCOTUS'S previous ruling on the cake baker. I found both instances to be a matter of the same understanding. And it's punctuated by the following analogy from the article:
“I’m with the International Socialist League and we are going to have a big May Day celebration.”
Jennifer replies, “Oh – I’m very sorry, but I oppose socialism. I don’t want do have anything to do with you or your event.”
Sanderson could just go find another place that rents large tents, but he sees the chance to take revenge on Jennifer. He heads straight for the Colorado Civil Rights Commission and files a complaint against her. She has refused service to a customer for a non-business, discriminatory reason and will now face the power of the state.
Although it's kind of died on the vine--who knows what's going on--I am still interested in hearing whether the document was fake in the case they heard.
However, you want to spin it, it was a really stupid decision by the SCOTUS. So we REALLY want to go back to the "No Blacks Allowed" days before Civil Rights? I guess now it'll be "Straights Only."
Discrimination based on who you are is wrong, period. That should be common sense for most people. It's mind-boggling to me that someone can use their religion as a shield to protect their bigotry -- and have the SCOTUS rule in their favor. No one says you have to LIKE minorities, women, the LGBTQ community, or blowhard White guys posting on message boards.. But all people should be protected from discriminatory practices.
People of Faith have the right to believe whatever they want to believe --- until it infringes on the civil rights of others.
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