** The WC's Official Presidential Debate Thread **
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All I've heard for months is to wait for the debates. And tonight, the sitting President soiled himself and embarrassed the country on national TV. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this clown.
That was a dangerous thing to say. I'd love to say he should know better, but he doesn't.
Right after he releases his plan to replace the ACA. And the cure for cancer.
He does know better, it is intentional. He doesnt care if it was a dangerous thing to say. If he loses, he basically wants to punish the country.
I thought Biden did okay, given the limited number of times that he was able to answer a question uninterrupted.
Trump's supporters have been saying that "Sleepy Joe" was bound to slip up and show his age tonight. Ironically, Trump's non-stop bullying tactics never gave any of us a chance to find out.
His refusing to denounce white supremacy probably solidified a segment of votes. Other than that. A shIt show.
I thought Biden did okay, given the limited number of times that he was able to answer a question uninterrupted.
Trump's supporters have been saying that "Sleepy Joe" was bound to slip up and show his age tonight. Ironically, Trump's non-stop bullying tactics never gave any of us a chance to find out.
Joe was merely fine with a couple great rehearsed lines. He just let Trump come off as an unhinged lunatic. It worked.
Biden didn’t seem that confident in his message honestly and seemed shaky with some of the numbers he was throwing out also had some gaffes in speaking. But I think he rose above the dementia bar that had been set. He got enough “burns” in to prove he can think a bit on his feet. I still don’t know if his platform is truly “his” platform though. Trump was basically like every other debate. Strayed from the question, verbally abuse, break rules, and talk over the other candidates, verbal sparring with the moderator, etc. it was decent for entertainment purposes. Sad that this is the future of the country for the next 4 years.
Biden isnt a strong debator, I dont understand Trump's strategy of not letting him debate. If this came across as a normal debate, I am sure both sides could have claimed they won, and the media would be talking about the strong points of each, and the weak points of each. But none of that is happening now because Trump came across so unhinged. I think his strategy was terrible and he needs a new debate prep team. I am pretty interested to see the next one, to see if Trump tones it down at all.
The only thing I disagree with you on is the notion that Joe "let" Trump come off as an unhinged lunatic. Nobody
I agree. Prior to tonight's debate, I had thought that if Biden came out of this debate appearing 'More Presidential' of the two, he'd be the winner. But the way this debate unfolded, I didn't see anything on stage that looked very dignified, let alone Presidential to me.
Tonight was certainly was a huge embarrassment to our American democracy.
100% agree. Trump was the Jackwagon we knew he would be, and I was honestly a little surprised that Biden was on his heels so much just from the questions. He handled Trump fine. Wallace, not so much.
But it gets lost in the fact that the public reaction -- as it always is -- will be on Trump and his shit show.
Honestly I think Trump made a major tactical mistake in talking over and interrupting Biden allowing Biden to come off victimized rather than just let him speak as his speaking skills have obviously declined. Let Biden have enough rope to make some major gaffe or something. Instead the focus was on Trumps behavior and fighting with Chris Wallace.
Sounded like a general giving an order. It was weird.
It wasnt tactical, and I dont know that I'd call it a mistake. He marginalized Biden tonight. Joe knew it and tried to take control with getting worked up about Beau, but Trump took it right back.
Trump was as bad as Trump could have been, and Biden was the best he has been in a year. Trump was far to aggressive, and impolite. What ever the Doctors did for Biden worked its magic, and he was coherent for the whole debate. I hate to say it, but Biden won the debate, and likely the election tonight. None of Trumps nor Biden's supporters will be moved by this debate, but the 10% up for grabs will be more likely to move to Dem side.
For those confused with Trump's over aggressive strategy/ constant interrupting, this is part of his plan. He clearly doesn't want to give Biden an opportunity to communicate his plans/policies/thoughts to the public.
What the election comes down to is people taking time to vote. And if one candidate doesn't have a clear campaign, it's going to reduce turnout.
In 08 it was Hope, Change, and Healthcare, in 16 it was Wall, MAGA, and Anti Media. The messages were clear. Biden's message isn't yet clear to the public in my opinion.
As a response, Biden should request the moderators cut off mics after a set period of time or he backs out. However, he can't do that because this is his big stage to communicate his campaign and motivate voters.
What the election comes down to is people taking time to vote. And if one candidate doesn't have a clear campaign, it's going to reduce turnout.
In 08 it was Hope, Change, and Healthcare, in 16 it was Wall, MAGA, and Anti Media. The messages were clear. Biden's message isn't yet clear to the public in my opinion.
As a response, Biden should request the moderators cut off mics after a set period of time or he backs out. However, he can't do that because this is his big stage to communicate his campaign and motivate voters.
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I don't think that it has anything to do with Biden's policies. It was all about shaking him up and turning him into the gaffe machine he usually is. Biden's Doctors did a great job, and he was not shaken. Biden has no plans nor policies. His handlers have the plans and policies, Most of the time he doesn't know what planet he lives on.
Fair point, that's probably also a reason for his constant interruptions. I think Biden handled them well relative to what I was expecting.
He has had gaffes in the past, like many politicians have. And I agree his are considerations by many voters.
So what if he is taking meds? I have no evidence to think he is and no evidence to think Trump isn't. What does it solve if he is taking some kind of concentration medication?
I agree that his plans/policies seem unclear. This is for a variety of reasons.
Biden dodged the question about packing the Supreme Court which I think is an important one. Too bad Trump was too busy interrupting or Wallace could have pressed Biden for an answer. Instead ran out of time.
This might have been a good strategy for Trump. My FB timeline showed that everyone was turned off by the debate. That may depress turnout, which helps Trump.
I don't think that was Trump's strategy at all. Chris Christie - who helped him prep - said as much last night. Trump just doesn't listen to advice. And frankly, the longer Joe talked consecutively, the more likely it was to get cringey or confusing. The constant interruptions gave Biden a chance to stop talking and collect himself. It was a terrible play from Trump top to bottom. The number one thing Trump could have done last night is seem presidential.
I think the scrappy bulldog was much more effective as the consensus underdog against the establishment powerhouse in 2016. This was his chance to show he's grown into the job to all the suburban women he's losing.
I agree Biden's message lacks clarity. A Sanders or Warren would have a clear (and contrasting) message. But I think in this election, that's not necessarily bad for Biden. This is largely a referendum on Trump's brand as president. The Trump campaign would prefer this be a referendum on far-left policy/socialism/etc. The blander Biden remains, the more the focus stays on Trump, which I think is where Biden wants it.
Biden continued to make overtures to disaffected Republicans last night. The more consistent Biden is, the more people feel comfortable voting for him.
There's a better chance of Halle Berry and Jennifer Aniston knocking on my door begging for a threesome.
Scanning social media on the morning after, I'm finding a consistent reaction to the debate last night:
Trump's shit show.
Trump's shit show.
The fact that the chuds are attacking Wallace tells you that they know Trump looked awful. They expected Biden to have a stroke last night. The bar was so low that all he had to do was step over it and he did. Trump smeared feces on his face and embarrassed the country.
I respect your candid and honest reaction to last night's debate.
We tried to tell them that a few weeks ago. Although if Biden had talked more, he would have messed up. I was waiting for Biden to tell Trump, "STFU". Obama would have started swinging.
I think this is pretty accurate. While it wasn't a good look for Trump to bully Joe, it did take away any opportunity for Joe to excite the electorate. Trump really dominated him.
Any notion that Trump accomplished anything that helped his campaign last night is pure fantasy.
I think you are dismissing the idea that Trump's performance probably made people realize that another 4 years of him is going to be bad. There are many progressives who arent big on Biden, who probably saw that last night and realized that there is a huge difference between the 2. This election isnt really about Biden, it is about Trump.
The fact that you felt 'your guy' 'hurt' Biden simply says that his diehard base was cool with his performance last night.
For the rest of the country -- and the free world -- the reaction was "Good God, that was painful to watch!!!" No independent or voters leaning Biden's way would have ever said after watching last night's shit show, "Wow, Trump made some really good points, I think I'll vote for him"
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