trump food stamp proposal

[bqknight]

Just consider this- two of the largest lobbying arms to continue current SNAP policy have been.......Coke and Pepsi. People who make sugar shit in a can.

Under current SNAP rules, people can buy candy, soft drinks, energy drinks, bakery cakes, ice cream, seafood, and steak with their SNAP cards.

There is absolutely no reason why someone taking assistance from the government should be able to go shopping and come home with bags full of coke, Red Bull, gummie bears, moosetracks, and surf and turf.

I agree with you.

I also think someone should be able to choose between something like potatoes or rice instead of eating white rice every week.

I would actually love to know if there is any research out there on if people "feel good", they are more likely to succeed? You pointed out that eating the same thing may motivate someone to work harder to get them out of that situation but is that the case? It's an honest question which I think would be interesting to see.

 

[UCFKnight85]

I agree with you.

I also think someone should be able to choose between something like potatoes or rice instead of eating white rice every week.

I would actually love to know if there is any research out there on if people "feel good", they are more likely to succeed? You pointed out that eating the same thing may motivate someone to work harder to get them out of that situation but is that the case? It's an honest question which I think would be interesting to see.

I haven't seen anything related to this proposal that says they'd get the same thing every week. Just that everyone would get the same package weekly- which may alternate.

 

[fabknight]

I haven't seen anything related to this proposal that says they'd get the same thing every week. Just that everyone would get the same package weekly- which may alternate.

But my kids only want Kraft Mac and Cheese and chicken nuggets.

 

[UCFWayne]

i read some where they will consider religion, alergies, etc when creating the plan. this will definitely limit the amount of abuse the current system is plagued by.

 

[chemmie]

i read some where they will consider religion, alergies, etc when creating the plan. this will definitely limit the amount of abuse the current system is plagued by.

This is funny, because studies have proven time and time again that the rampant abuse that right-wingers like to claim doesn't actually exist.

 

[knight_poster_15]

Yep never happens.

 

[UCFBS]

This is funny, because studies have proven time and time again that the rampant abuse that right-wingers like to claim doesn't actually exist.

Define "abuse"? (hear me out, because I'm siding with you on some of this)

The problem is that some of that "abuse" is understandable.

E.g., selling value of stamps (the card usage) at a good fraction (say 60-70%) to get money, so they can buy diapers and other things they don't cover.

I.e., Not everything is circumvented, even if illegal, for the wrong reasons.

What the food stamp system needs is an overhaul. I like the market-approach, but you have to change what they can buy.

No more junk food.

Also consider merging the card system with WIC and other systems so people who have 1 kid get so much for kid items (diapers, formula, etc...).

Again, I'm with @fabknight believing the idea of using government distribution will not be better.

In fact, it's almost an argument 180 degrees from the voucher system. It's adding more government to the supply chain and control, instead of less, while reducing market involvement.

 

[UCFWayne]

there are a bunch of companies like blue apron popping up right now. i think it would be wise if the government partnered with them for this.

however, we all know the government isnt that bright.

 

[bqknight]

there are a bunch of companies like blue apron popping up right now. i think it would be wise if the government partnered with them for this.

however, we all know the government isnt that bright.

Blue Apron is a premium product - they wouldn't have the expertise or resources for the SNAP program.

Partnering with larger mass produce companies is the correct route to go and from what it sounds like is what they would do (buy in bulk).

 

[UCFRogerz]

Blue Apron is a premium product - they wouldn't have the expertise or resources for the SNAP program.

Partnering with larger mass produce companies is the correct route to go and from what it sounds like is what they would do (buy in bulk).

And who makes grocery store generics (premium brands pretty frequently!)? Why would a company that specializes in building and shipping meal kids not have the expertise for the SNAP program? Resources, yeah I see that. expertise? This is what they do.

 

[bqknight]

And who makes grocery store generics (premium brands pretty frequently!)? Why would a company that specializes in building and shipping meal kids not have the expertise for the SNAP program? Resources, yeah I see that. expertise? This is what they do.

They curate high quality ingredients and develop "restaurant quality" dishes.
Just because they put food in a box doesn't mean that at the core it's what they do.

I have no problem with partnering with a private entity to do this - I just don't think Blue Apron or Hello Fresh is the right company.

***As a side note - I use these meal delivery companies frequently. Store Label brands are usually good quality - I buy them but they aren't the "High Quality" brands - in these boxes you usually get organic, super premium brands.

 

[UCFKnight85]

They curate high quality ingredients and develop "restaurant quality" dishes.
Just because they put food in a box doesn't mean that at the core it's what they do.

I have no problem with partnering with a private entity to do this - I just don't think Blue Apron or Hello Fresh is the right company.

***As a side note - I use these meal delivery companies frequently. Store Label brands are usually good quality - I buy them but they aren't the "High Quality" brands - in these boxes you usually get organic, super premium brands.

You're actually right, and you're making the point as to why this is actually a good idea.

The USG can simply issue a Statement of Work as an RFP and solicit companies, any companies, to bid on that SOW. Anyone who has a knowledge of the food supply chain, access to it, and the capability to stand up a PAck/Ship operation could bid. The USG would then get tons of bids on a competitive basis which would offer them the best price possible.

Blue Apron may not even want to take a contract like that since it'll be hard fought margins and they probably make good margins on their existing products.

However there will surely be a lot of companies willing to go after that business.

 

[chemmie]

A bunch of privileged white guys who have never even seen real poverty are talking about how Blue Apron could be a better way to supply food stamp users with their nutritional needs.

LOL.

Y'all mother****ers are dumb as shit, and seriously have no idea what modern poverty is like.

 

[Essency]

 

[Essency]

A bunch of privileged white guys who have never even seen real poverty are talking about how Blue Apron could be a better way to supply food stamp users with their nutritional needs.

LOL.

Y'all mother****ers are dumb as shit, and seriously have no idea what modern poverty is like.

Well you'll see the same thing on C-SPAN but this is just a message board.

 

[UCFWayne]

Blue Apron is a premium product - they wouldn't have the expertise or resources for the SNAP program.

Partnering with larger mass produce companies is the correct route to go and from what it sounds like is what they would do (buy in bulk).

i didnt really mean blue apron specifically, just that there are a number of companies like them that are forming in the past few years. they seem to be doing a pretty good job. i think it would be smart if the government might try and leverage what they have learned and apply it to the new food stamps/snap/whatever they plan to call it program.

i hope they get it right.

 

[UCFWayne]

A bunch of privileged white guys who have never even seen real poverty are talking about how Blue Apron could be a better way to supply food stamp users with their nutritional needs.

LOL.

Y'all mother****ers are dumb as shit, and seriously have no idea what modern poverty is like.

im sure you know very little about the lives most of the people here have actually lived. but i do know you regularly brag about the expensive meals, beer, and travel trips you take.

 

[chemmie]

im sure you know very little about the lives most of the people here have actually lived. but i do know you regularly brag about the expensive meals, beer, and travel trips you take.

My lifestyle isn't relevant. I actually understand poverty and don't believe that sending a ****ing Blue Apron box to a family living in a roach infested Motel 6 is a viable solution.

 

[UCFWayne]

My lifestyle isn't relevant. I actually understand poverty and don't believe that sending a ****ing Blue Apron box to a family living in a roach infested Motel 6 is a viable solution.

why are you getting so defensive of your white privilege all of the sudden? i mean its not like you just said rich white boys dont know a thing about poverty seconds ago or anything like that....

 

[chemmie]

why are you getting so defensive of your white privilege all of the sudden? i mean its not like you just said rich white boys dont know a thing about poverty seconds ago or anything like that....

Who said I was defensive? I said it isn't relevant. I am privileged and I was born into it. The first step to not being an asshole is making that realization. You guys should try it.

 

[UCFKnight85]

why are you getting so defensive of your white privilege all of the sudden? i mean its not like you just said rich white boys dont know a thing about poverty seconds ago or anything like that....

LOL I can only imagine you're talking to our resident insecure "reformed former racist"

 

[chemmie]

LOL I can only imagine you're talking to our resident insecure "reformed former racist"

I can only imagine you're replying to me by proxy again because you have no self control and can't resist the urge to still read my posts and reply to them.
Your actions really are sad.

 

[UCFWayne]

Who said I was defensive? I said it isn't relevant. I am privileged and I was born into it. The first step to not being an asshole is making that realization. You guys should try it.

i think its funny a person with a ton of white privilege is trying to lecture people hes never met about everyones perceived privilege. like somehow you know each and every person heres story.

 

[chemmie]

i think its funny a person with a ton of white privilege is trying to lecture people hes never met about everyones perceived privilege. like somehow you know each and every person heres story.

There is a big difference between people who acknowledge privilege and those who pretend it doesn't exist.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

There is a big difference between people who acknowledge privilege and those who pretend it doesn't exist.

There's also a big difference between upper middle class people that live in hipster bubbles and blame everything on racism and privilege and those that live in reality.

 

[UCFWayne]

There is a big difference between people who acknowledge privilege and those who pretend it doesn't exist.

have you ever had to bust your ass as a young child to help your parents complete a job so that they can get paid and you can eat later that night?

your assumptions make you look like an ass. from the people ive talked to that know you, that seems to be an accurate representation.