Trump or Hillary?

[UCFBS]

Like UCFBS stated, it's all about sustainability, population management ...

And talking numbers and sustainability is not racist, it's logic, pure and simple. The left labeling anyone and everyone "racist" for bringing that up is why Merkel saw her party lose 30% to the ring-wingers, and definitely pushed a lot of Britons towards leave.

The Indochina Refugee Crisis of 1975-2000 is a perfect example of a sustainable, refugee rate. 1.2M people total over 25 years, never more than 120K/year, averaging only 40K/year. And even that heavily relied on private charities to resettle refugees, as the US government does not do that.

Yes, alleged "right-winger" religious charities do most of the resettling. They break up extended families and integrate them into the non-secular US culture. It works wonders for people from various backgrounds. And this is pretty much an US-only thing. There is nothing like the private charity infrastructure, heavily religious-based, in the US virtually anywhere else in the western world.

I.e., Germany took in that many over less than 2 years, and does not have the private charities that the US does. This has led to slums, much like those that also exist in Belgium and elsewhere. This does not bode well for their future.

Now wnderstand the US has been taking in 2x to 10x the rate -- in undocumented, cross-border immigrations even the rate -- versus even from the days of the Indochina Refugee crisis since the late '90s, and it's only been accelerating with the taxpayer funded programs. We have incentivized undocumented residents, all while not guaranteeing them jobs and opportunity.

In other words ... we now have the real case where the majority of undocumented residents are not coming here for opportunity. In fact, that is backed up by the fact that legal immigration from, is now less than legal emmigration to, Mexico. I.e., legitimate Mexican immigrants are leaving more than they are coming into the US.

Even that alone explains everything. Now we can further talk about the organized crime -- i.e., trafficking drugs and guns on the backs of humans. You know, where 80% of all gun homicides come from in the US, per CDC statistics.

 

[Jedi.Knight]

You played the card with your silly post. Regurgitating weak fear tactics of the right. The same right that loves to hire these people.

First of all, I have no idea what "card" you're referencing, but I guess that's the only shred of fantasy that the left can use when presented with cold hard facts. The fact is, the southwest USA is becoming more reminiscent of Mexico each and every day, and that is NOT a good thing. The left is so delusional that even if NASA announces that a comet is heading for a collision course with Earth, the left will call it fear-mongering rather than address the issue head on and try to come up with a plan to blow it out of the sky before it's too late.

 

[MACHater02]

First of all, I have no idea what "card" you're referencing, but I guess that's the only shred of fantasy that the left can use when presented with cold hard facts. The fact is, the southwest USA is becoming more reminiscent of Mexico each and every day, and that is NOT a good thing. The left is so delusional that even if NASA announces that a comet is heading for a collision course with Earth, the left will call it fear-mongering rather than address the issue head on and try to come up with a plan to blow it out of the sky before it's too late.

The card you mentioned in your post Mr Jedi. When the right stops employing these people, maybe the flow will slowdown.

 

[UCFBS]

The card you mentioned in your post Mr Jedi. When the right stops employing these people, maybe the flow will slowdown.

Oh wow. Dude ... seriously?

While I won't deny we have some issues with Americans abusing undocumented workers, are you utterly ignoring the other incentives for them to come here and not work? What about the organized crime? Do you understand how that works? How the humans flow with the drugs and guns?

I.e., I invite you to talk to an actual CBP agent. You will learn a crapload!

Furthermore, if this was "the incentive," they'd all vote Republican. Now how's that working for them?

BTW ... have you actually looked at what corporations promote "guest workers" and who they support? It's more than just the Bushes. I invite you to read up.

 

[MACHater02]

Oh wow. Dude ... seriously?

While I won't deny we have some issues with Americans abusing undocumented workers, are you utterly ignoring the other incentives for them to come here and not work? What about the organized crime? Do you understand how that works? How the humans flow with the drugs and guns?

I.e., I invite you to talk to an actual CBP agent. You will learn a crapload!

Furthermore, if this was "the incentive," they'd all vote Republican. Now how's that working for them?

BTW ... have you actually looked at what corporations promote "guest workers" and who they support? It's more than just the Bushes. I invite you to read up.

So undocumented people don't work and they vote democrat. Lol

 

[Jedi.Knight]

The card you mentioned in your post Mr Jedi. When the right stops employing these people, maybe the flow will slowdown.

The flow will also stop once we elect a president that has the balls to not only build a border fence, but also staff it with CBP agents that actually have orders to do their job and turn them away instead of catch and release.

BTW ... have you actually looked at what corporations promote "guest workers" and who they support? It's more than just the Bushes. I invite you to read up.

Like Disney and Facebook, just to name the two biggest perpetrators. Neither of which can be considered a bastion of conservatism.

 

[UCFBS]

The flow will also stop once we elect a president that has the balls to not only build a border fence, but also staff it with CBP agents that actually have orders to do their job and turn them away instead of catch and release.

The fence is a bit of a lightning rod that is more of a misnomer that both the left and right like to build a lot of rhetoric around. Even Trump is purposely baiting the media with that, as it wasn't his original plan ... until the media made it one.

But ... the CBP is literally tired of the US media failing to put forth the real issues, and the administration utterly ignoring them. That why, despite the administration ordering them not to endorse a candidate, some 6 months later their union and fraternity has now fully endorsed Trump as the candidate that will address their issues best, stating specifics on what is consistently being ignored. I invite everyone to understand why they finally made this move, despite threats to their careers.

Like Disney and Facebook, just to name the two biggest perpetrators. Neither of which can be considered a bastion of conservatism.

Well, the expansion of H1 into the new, and not illegal (but heavily abused, and considered very unethical) H1B program is a separate issue, but related to 2 bills passed in a late session in 1990, after 60% of Congress had left. Visa H1Bs are abused, by far, more by the Democratic supporting tech industry. Although the Bushes were for it, as were some Republicans, but not nearly as many as Democratic supporters. Hillary is a huge supporter.

Only Sanders and Trump are not. It's amazing how aligned Sanders and Trump are on legal immigration, to dismantling the H1B Visa program in favor of Green Cards being issued to graduate STEM degrees -- the long-standing, IEEE USA recommendation, among others.

 

[UCFBS]

So undocumented people don't work and they vote democrat. Lol

Yes. One doesn't have to work and pay taxes to have a voter access, especially in some states. They issue drivers licenses to many undocumented residents in several states, legally, too. This is why most have called for Voter ID laws that allow anyone to show up at any polling place with just a driver license, and no registration roll check. There's also a reason why the amnesty program has provisions for such. I invite you to actually read it.

Also understand most voter fraud is reported as clerical errors ... unless it's actually proven.**

Florida and New Mexico actually have legal "anchor baby" programs with a "1 strike rule." This is where Gary Johnson and Jeb Bush agree, if you hold out the carrot stick of citizenship and deny services to undocumented residents, the ones that want to be productive will fall in line. Those who do not, will not. The great thing is that they become "documented" as a result and work with police, instead of avoiding them and falling right into the hands of organized crime. Again, talk to actual CBP agents and you will learn a lot.

Arizona actively fights illegal immigration. Texas has a mix. Both have had all sorts of issues, although most of Arizona's issues have moved out of state. Why?

California and Colorado rewards undocumented residents, and they they will not share information with the federal government, especially at the municipality level. Basically the best way to be a terrorizing agent for organize crime when it comes to human trafficking, not just hit men but rapists (yes, it's encouraged), in the US is to be an undocumented resident. That's why the syndicates have moved out of most of the border states, and into amnesty cities in states like California and Colorado for this reason.

In fact, that was Trump's first speech. About "they're rapists and murders," because a friend of a friend asked. The US media then took it to mean all undocumented residents, and not just those with the organized crime syndicates operating in the amnesty cities, which was Trump's first speech on the matter. The thing is ... Trump didn't care at that point. He gave the media its wet dream when they quoted him out-of-context, and the rest is history.

Do undocumented residents commit more violent crime than Americans? No. Statistically they do not. But if you want to be a repeat offender and untracked, oh yes, it's the best type of person to be in the US. But that's always been the case ... going back to even the mob. Just like organized crime continues to be responsible for nearly 8,000 of the around 10,000 gun homicides in the US per year, with 800 of the remaining 2,000 actually being lawful homicides, law abiding citizens defending themselves, mostly against organized crime too.

**FYI ... I had my vote taken away from me a dozen years ago as I showed up 2nd to vote, and was issued a provisional ballot that wasn't counted. That's why I say virtually every state that has "voter ID" ... just show up 2nd to vote in your name and you'll find out. It also goes often reported as a "clerical error," not as voter fraud, even though I was detained for 15 minutes, had to show 3 IDs, and had to sign an affidavit that I wasn't committing voter fraud ... all for a provision ballot that wasn't counted in the general election. My vote was taken away from me. One of the people remembered checking my name, and that's why I was detained 15 minutes ... to verify my ID wasn't fake, and I was really who I said I was from my Drivers License picture at the FL DMV records itself.

 

[spacecoastknight]

You mean the most experienced executive on the ballot Gary Johnson, who is polling 10% -- which means he may have to be included in the national debates -- has no chance of being such? Huh?

You do understand the Libertarians' main objective is to poll high enough to be included in the debates, right? I.e., even if you're not a Libertarian, it would be nice -- for once -- to get a 3rd person involved so he/she can call out both the Democrats and Republicans when they are arguing over rhetoric, instead of the actual issue Americans care about?

Like bathrooms supposed to be focused on individual privacy, and not special group interests in either direction? And that's just one example that is just an utter distraction and grandstanding by both the Democrats and Republicans who are both using sexist arguments.

I like SOME of Gary Johnson's issues but he would never win a Presidency; he's flat out boring. His #1 issue he's terrible with is border control. I mean some of these things he's said are flat out wacky.....

• Bigger border fence will only produce taller ladders. (Jan 2016)
• Arizona anti-immigrant law leads to racial profiling. (Aug 2012)
• A 10-foot wall just requires an 11-foot ladder. (Aug 2012)
• 2 year grace period for illegals to get work visas. (Nov 2011)
• 1 strike & you're out for legal immigrants who violate terms. (Nov 2011)
• Let some, but not all, illegal immigrants stay in US. (Nov 2011)
• We educate the world's best & brightest; why send them back? (Jun 2011)
• Open the border; flood of Mexicans would become taxpayers. (Jan 2001)
• Mexican immigrants are pursuing same dreams we all have. (Jan 2001)
• Share costs of legal immigration between states & federal. (Feb 2001)
• Federal government should deal with criminal repatriation. (Feb 2001)

He basically wants to flood the US with free handout, future liberals and turn Texas into a blue state; once the US goes 100% blue, there goes your freedoms.

 

[UCFBS]

I like SOME of Gary Johnson's issues but he would never win a Presidency; he's flat out boring. His #1 issue he's terrible with is border control. I mean some of these things he's said are flat out wacky.....

• Bigger border fence will only produce taller ladders. (Jan 2016)
• Arizona anti-immigrant law leads to racial profiling. (Aug 2012)
• A 10-foot wall just requires an 11-foot ladder. (Aug 2012)
• 2 year grace period for illegals to get work visas. (Nov 2011)
• 1 strike & you're out for legal immigrants who violate terms. (Nov 2011)
• Let some, but not all, illegal immigrants stay in US. (Nov 2011)
• We educate the world's best & brightest; why send them back? (Jun 2011)
• Open the border; flood of Mexicans would become taxpayers. (Jan 2001)
• Mexican immigrants are pursuing same dreams we all have. (Jan 2001)
• Share costs of legal immigration between states & federal. (Feb 2001)
• Federal government should deal with criminal repatriation. (Feb 2001)

He basically wants to flood the US with free handout, future liberals and turn Texas into a blue state; once the US goes 100% blue, there goes your freedoms.

Considering he was New Mexico's governor for 8 years, you should maybe listen to his policies that 100% worked.

He has avoided all of the issues that both Arizona (right-wing) and California (left-wing) have had. There are more than 2 solutions to this problem. If fact, if you like Jeb Bush on Florida's immigration policies, then you should also like Gary Johnson.

It's key for right-wingers to stop giving the Democrats and liberals a segue to making their common, bleeding heart counter-arguments. Jeb and Johnson do that, very effectively, while preventing undocumented residents from getting taxpayer benefits and voter registration cards.

 

[spacecoastknight]

Considering he was New Mexico's governor for 8 years, you should maybe listen to his policies that 100% worked.

His immigration policies worked?! LOL what policies? Leave the US border wide open for ISIS and to stand down if people cross? Embarrassingly bad.

 

[UCFBS]

His immigration policies worked?! LOL what policies? Leave the US border wide open for ISIS and to stand down if people cross? Embarrassingly bad.

You can make all the assumptions you want.

The problem isn't whether there is a wall or not. The problem is how we Americans use them, that cause them to climb, to avoid law enforcement, to be under the thumb of organized crime, to be able cast votes for pork.

Which is why both the left and right are wrong, and why you never hear of the actual issues in the US media, the ones the CBP agents want to actually address.

 

[UCFWayne]

Yea Johnson's border policy is complete crap. Thats one of the few things I dont like about him.

 

[UCFKnight85]

It's very nice that Johnson ran NM well but it's really insignificant. New Mexico has 2M people, tons of natural resources, and only really has 2 metro centers. Metro Orlando has more people than New Mexico.

My plan to vote for Johnson is also now eroding. He's pandering to the radical left wing, aka the Bernie zealots, and it's disgusting. His immigration policy is a f*cking joke.

It may be a write-in kind of year.

 

[UCFBS]

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[UCFWayne]

It may be a write-in kind of year.

I have a suggestion:

 

[UCFWayne]

 

[SublimeKnight]

There is only one man who can save this country... but can we get him to run?

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Chuck Todd has been breaking down the Electoral College on Meet the Press each week. You little drumpf cukcs need to start prepping for the blonde witch.

 

[Good Knight Sweetheart]

In a perfect world:
Republicans rebel and elect a candidate that knows how the gov't works, is closer to a moderate, and less of an a$$hole.
Democrats boot Hilary and select a better candidate.

But it won't happen.
The country is doomed.

.

 

[MACHater02]

FBI director doesn't recommend charges against Hillary Clinton.

 

[Knight_Light]

FBI director doesn't recommend charges against Hillary Clinton.

Mean 2 people appointed by Obama (AG and FBI Director) that are both supporting Hillary somehow came to the same conclusion is something to celebrate? Ah...ok.

 

[Raynman]

Of course people blame them. They are ILLEGAL and the government does nothing about this. It's hilarious trying to talk to democrats because they don't even know what the word "illegal" means.

Yes they do.

It means "My bad. I didn't intend to do that."

 

[Raynman]

1) Very subjective and debatable.
2) I am not sure WTF you mean here. GDP is currently $18T, the highest it's ever been and GDP growth rate is currently 3.29%, which is below the mean but nowhere near the worst all time.
3) Maybe, but the numbers are declining, reaching a five year low in March.
4) Not true. In fact, Obama's rate of increase to the national debt will be about half as much as Bush's was.

But keep in mind that Bush was fighting the "War on Terrorism" and not pretending the terrorist threat was "contained".

 

[Knight_Light]

But keep in mind that Bush was fighting the "War on Terrorism" and not pretending the terrorist threat was "contained".

Well...Obama viewed ISIS as the "JV Team"...so we have that going for us.

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

Chuck Todd has been breaking down the Electoral College on Meet the Press each week. You little drumpf cukcs need to start prepping for the blonde witch.

Lol you watch Meet The Agenda...

 

[UCFKnight85]

Trump praised Saddam Hussein last night.

I'm still convinced the guy is a Hillary puppet.

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

Trump praised Saddam Hussein last night.

I'm still convinced the guy is a Hillary puppet.

He praised his actions against terrorism and didn't think twice about killing them. He wasn't praising him for a humanitarian award.

 

[UCFKnight85]

He praised his actions against terrorism and didn't think twice about killing them. He wasn't praising him for a humanitarian award.

Right, he didn't think twice about using biological weapons against the entire Kurdish population (errrr sorry, "terrorists")

Trump's new campaign line: I'll kill people with as little regard as Saddam Hussein did!

Jesus.

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

You Never Trump twats amaze me. How you would not vote for the person w the best chance of beating this lying above the law cûnt is truly spectacular. Before you cite silly polling data re Trump can't win remember they said he wasn't gonna win the primaries either

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

Right, he didn't think twice about using biological weapons against the entire Kurdish population (errrr sorry, "terrorists")

Trump's new campaign line: I'll kill people with as little regard as Saddam Hussein did!

Jesus.

Jesus agrees that's a better problem than ISIS.

 

[MACHater02]

You Never Trump twats amaze me. How you would not vote for the person w the best chance of beating this lying above the law cûnt is truly spectacular. Before you cite silly polling data re Trump can't win remember they said he wasn't gonna win the primaries either

Why is politicians telling lies all of sudden unacceptable?

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

Why is politicians telling lies all of sudden unacceptable?

They usually hide them much better before they're elected to the presidency.

Other politicians make their lies count like Bush saying Iraq had WMDs or Obama you can keep your doctor.

Maybe I can get down on the defense contractors when Hillary decides to spread some more freedom in the Middle East

 

[ReginaeUCF]

It's all the same. ALL democrats talk about is Bush, blah blah blah. They are unaware of what's happening. It's sad liberals must use Bush to defend Obama. It's globalism vs. American sovereignty.

Obama is the worst president of ALL TIME and is the only modern US President to not even visit the border. Guy is the biggest failure of all time.

President Barack Obama greeted well wishers after stepping off Air Force One at Biggs Army Airfield in El Paso, Texas, on May 10, 2011. Later that day he gave a speech at the U.S.-Mexico border on immigration reform. (AP photo)

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...walker-says-barack-obama-has-never-been-texa/http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...walker-says-barack-obama-has-never-been-texa/

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

Right, he didn't think twice about using biological weapons against the entire Kurdish population (errrr sorry, "terrorists")

Trump's new campaign line: I'll kill people with as little regard as Saddam Hussein did!

Jesus.

Not even close to what he was saying. Did you listen to it? I'm not a big Trump fan but he was saying that he wasn't scared to kill the enemy and that is it. Basically saying we are running a weak terrorism policy.

 

[Sir Galahad]

He praised his actions against terrorism and didn't think twice about killing them. He wasn't praising him for a humanitarian award.

don't confuse him with facts, he didn't listen to the speech, he is just repeating what he read or heard. It was very clear from the speech that trump was saying he knew how to deal with terrorist, that is why there were no in Iran until after he left.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Why is politicians telling lies all of sudden unacceptable?

Not so much lying but using government agencies to cover them. FBI, IRS and others have all covered for the agenda of this administration.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Hey morons, if the message was really "as simple" as saying that having a resolve to kill terrorists, there are literally hundreds of examples he could have used before SADDAM F*CKING HUSSEIN.

Trump has yet to meet an authoritarian ruthless dictator that he didn't love.

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

Hey now Saddam made a lot people lots of jack, ease up. Now it's on to the next boogeyman & war to sell to morons.

 

[MACHater02]

Not so much lying but using government agencies to cover them. FBI, IRS and others have all covered for the agenda of this administration.

Right-winged conspiracy theories.