VA Governor goes to bat for infanticide

[UCFBS]

I'm sorry but this is messed up. At least say "point of viability". Passing through the birth canal is a bizarre measure of "life".
"It cant survive, period" is at least somewhat defensible whereas "it can't survive without assistance" is murder. If you kill a baby that could be removed from the mother and still survive by other means then its just plain old murder.

You're missing my point ...

Do we need a law? Or can we just trust women more than the state? That's the point!

Again, same argument Progressives use against guns. They don't trust people with self-defense. I trust people more than the state.

That's what it is to be Libertarian. I'm Pro-Life BTW, but also Pro-Choice, because I trust people more than the state.

 

[Crazyhole]

You're missing my point ...

Do we need a law? Or can we just trust women more than the state? That's the point!

Again, same argument Progressives use against guns. They don't trust people with self-defense. I trust people more than the state.

That's what it is to be Libertarian. I'm Pro-Life BTW, but also Pro-Choice, because I trust people more than the state.

Thats stretching it too far. There is a law against murder. Is that a bad thing because we should just trust people more than the government to do the right thing? I don't care how libertarian you are, you have to recognize that a certain level of government structure is beneficial for both society and the individual, and this one is pretty basic. If a person can survive, then you can't kill them.

 

[UCFKnight85]

You're missing my point ...

Do we need a law? Or can we just trust women more than the state? That's the point!

Again, same argument Progressives use against guns. They don't trust people with self-defense. I trust people more than the state.

That's what it is to be Libertarian. I'm Pro-Life BTW, but also Pro-Choice, because I trust people more than the state.

You're so pro-life that you're cool with allowing a child to be killed that is ready to be born. Ok then.

and please stop pushing this nonsense gun rights argument in here. Debating which features should or shouldn't be on a rifle is not even remotely the same as debating whether a child that could be born today and live a healthy life should still be subjected to an elective abortion, i.e. murder, with no restriction or repercussion.

 

[UCFBS]

You're so pro-life that you're cool with allowing a child to be killed that is ready to be born. Ok then.

I'm okay with trusting women they won't do it.
Apparently you want the state to decide.

and please stop pushing this nonsense gun rights argument in here.

Replace unborn baby with adult, and your argument sounds exactly why Progressives argue people shouldn't be trusted with guns, only the state.

This is American Libertarianism 101.

Debating which features should or shouldn't be on a rifle is not even remotely the same as debating whether a child that could be born today and live a healthy life should still be subjected to an elective abortion, i.e. murder, with no restriction or repercussion.

So you say. We Libertarians utterly disagree.

It's about trusting the state more than people with their own bodies and rights. Both sides argue about which ones should be limited, and how. We Libertarians say ... no limitations if you're a law abiding citizen, and it's your body.

Sorry you cannot see past your party platform to recognize they are the same.

 

[UCFKnight85]

I'm okay with trusting women they won't do it.
Apparently you want the state to decide.

Replace unborn baby with adult, and your argument sounds exactly why Progressives argue people shouldn't be trusted with guns, only the state.

This is American Libertarianism 101.

So you say. We Libertarians utterly disagree.

It's about trusting the state more than people with their own bodies and rights. Both sides argue about which ones should be limited, and how. We Libertarians say ... no limitations if you're a law abiding citizen, and it's your body.

Sorry you cannot see past your party platform to recognize they are the same.

 

[Crazyhole]

I'm okay with trusting women they won't do it.
Apparently you want the state to decide.

Replace unborn baby with adult, and your argument sounds exactly why Progressives argue people shouldn't be trusted with guns, only the state.

This is American Libertarianism 101.

So you say. We Libertarians utterly disagree.

It's about trusting the state more than people with their own bodies and rights. Both sides argue about which ones should be limited, and how. We Libertarians say ... no limitations if you're a law abiding citizen, and it's your body.

Sorry you cannot see past your party platform to recognize they are the same.

"And it's your body" is where the issue lies.

 

[UCFBS]

"And it's your body" is where the issue lies.

That's you using the state to decide for the woman.

Just like when the Progressives say you don't have a right to shoot someone, and only cops do ... plus the person might be innocent, and they should be charged in a court of law as they deserve justice, not execution by a gun owner.

Guys, we can play this all day.

 

[anon_ki59ERik4csguoSd]

If we're being honest, they're really just finally being honest about what pro-abortion lefties have always wanted.

I don't think anyone is "pro-abortion", just pro-mindyour****ingbusiness.

1. Still in the woman?
2. Her body, her choice.

Solved.

There's actual children dying at the border because of our government. Where's your moral outrage there?

 

[UCFBS]

There's actual children dying at the border because of our government. Where's your moral outrage there?

While I agree with all your commentary prior to this, I have to disagree on this one.

Because if that was the case ... I'd have to be more outraged about the Obama administration.

The agents in the Trump administration actually care, and have the money to care, to take kids to medical centers and hospitals and get them help, while in custody. The agents during the Obama administration can tell you a lot of horror stories.

This is what people aren't talking about. We're doing far more for those interned than we used to. If someone was sick, they didn't want to even let them into any facility in year's past. Again, talk to agents and you'll learn a lot.

The US gov't didn't kill anyone here. The mainstream US media has been lying, other than CNN ... who actually did their job and reported everything the US gov't tried to do to save them.

 

[Crazyhole]

I don't think anyone is "pro-abortion", just pro-mindyour****ingbusiness.

1. Still in the woman?
2. Her body, her choice.

Solved.

There's actual children dying at the border because of our government. Where's your moral outrage there?

Weak attempt at deflection.

I'll cede this point: if the baby is still inside the woman and cannot survive without staying inside the woman, its a choice.

But, if its still in the woman but can survive without her, its murder.

 

[UCFKnight85]

I don't think anyone is "pro-abortion", just pro-mindyour****ingbusiness.

1. Still in the woman?
2. Her body, her choice.

Solved.

There's actual children dying at the border because of our government. Where's your moral outrage there?

Aw, bit defensive here? Upset to find that your beloved party is now fully supportive of Late Term Abortion and apparently, infanticide?

Like I said earlier, you must be proud to support a platform dedicated to erasing every bit of value from an unborn human child, even when they could be born tomorrow and live a healthy, full life. But nah- can't have that! MUH RIGHT TO CHOOSE!

At least you zealots are no longer trying to argue that you only support abortion up to "the point of viability" or 20 weeks. This used to be the case when liberals acted like they still had SOME regard for the child inside. Now you're finally being honest, that you give 0 fuks about that human life. Good job.

 

[Crazyhole]

Aw, bit defensive here? Upset to find that your beloved party is now fully supportive of Late Term Abortion and apparently, infanticide?

Like I said earlier, you must be proud to support a platform dedicated to erasing every bit of value from an unborn human child, even when they could be born tomorrow and live a healthy, full life. But nah- can't have that! MUH RIGHT TO CHOOSE!

At least you zealots are no longer trying to argue that you only support abortion up to "the point of viability" or 20 weeks. This used to be the case when liberals acted like they still had SOME regard for the child inside. Now you're finally being honest, that you give 0 fuks about that human life. Good job.

At least back then it was a legit point of view. Now its just flat out evil. "Yeah, the baby could survive but lets just kill it". May as well add that to the platform.

 

[UCFBS]

Aw, bit defensive here? Upset to find that your beloved party is now fully supportive of Late Term Abortion and apparently, infanticide?

Change a few words and this is the Democratic party on guns.

Sigh ... so much for all our rights.

Just admit it, it's really not about late term abortions and infanticide. You want abortion outlawed. Don't stand behind 1 argument when we know the greater argument.

Same with the Progressives when it comes to guns.

 

[Crazyhole]

Change a few words and this is the Democratic party on guns.

Sigh ... so much for all our rights.

Just admit it, it's really not about late term abortions and infanticide. You want abortion outlawed. Don't stand behind 1 argument when we know the greater argument.

Same with the Progressives when it comes to guns.

No, its nothing like guns. There are other uses for guns besides killing people. There is only one use for abortion, to kill people. Its a false narrative that you are pushing when trying to equate the 2 in an attempt to seek the higher ground.

 

[UCFKnight85]

No, its nothing like guns. There are other uses for guns besides killing people. There is only one use for abortion, to kill people. Its a false narrative that you are pushing when trying to equate the 2 in an attempt to seek the higher ground.

Next he's going to start insisting that Late Term Abortion is just like a corporate tax rate debate.

Muh Libertarians!!!!!!

 

[UCFWayne]

Weak attempt at deflection.

I'll cede this point: if the baby is still inside the woman and cannot survive without staying inside the woman, its a choice.

But, if its still in the woman but can survive without her, its murder.

i believe a baby is fully developed at 35 weeks and only gains more weight until berth around 40 weeks. so i think 35 weeks you could draw the line.

however we all know medical technology has advanced so far and can help a baby outside the mother much earlier than that. i think that changes peoples view on this.

I really dont know the current laws. where do we currently draw the line? for me i draw the line at the 3rd trimester.

 

[fried-chicken]

Lol at 85 pulsating with rage over shit he has to know he's just made up

 

[fried-chicken]

As a liberal me and all my other democrats support the vagina guillotine. It's where the baby's head is born right into a prepped guillotine and then we use the baby meat to feed Muslims who are crossing the southern border illegally. This is now 100% dem policy.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Lol at 85 pulsating with rage over shit he has to know he's just made up

lol I post exact quotes from prominent Democrats pushing for late term abortion and infanticide and you accuse me of making it up.

Again, I know you're probably squeamish about how extremist your party and yourself have become but this is now the Democratic platform in 2019. A baby preparing to be born is perfectly fair game and if that thing makes it out, well you can debate on whether or not it gets to live! #DNC2019

 

[Crazyhole]

lol I post exact quotes from prominent Democrats pushing for late term abortion and infanticide and you accuse me of making it up.

Again, I know you're probably squeamish about how extremist your party and yourself have become but this is now the Democratic platform in 2019. A baby preparing to be born is perfectly fair game and if that thing makes it out, well you can debate on whether or not it gets to live! #DNC2019

It's pretty bizarre actually. Not only is it morally and ethically reprehensible but also a loser at the ballot box. By all means,
Make it part of the party platform and be honest about what you believe.

 

[chemmie]

Gotta make more babies for Catholic Priests to fondle.

 

[UCFKnight85]

It's pretty bizarre actually. Not only is it morally and ethically reprehensible but also a loser at the ballot box. By all means,
Make it part of the party platform and be honest about what you believe.

Bingo

 

[UCFKnight85]

You can see now why Senator Obama in 2002 opposed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. He voted against it. He was an early mover in the radical shift to the extreme left for the DNC on late term abortion/infanticide protections.

This is why moderate Dems like Howard Schultz are being attacked by the DNC already. They fear anyone that isn't pushing the furthest left ideas possible.

 

[goodknightfl]

You're missing my point ...

Do we need a law? Or can we just trust women more than the state? That's the point!

Again, same argument Progressives use against guns. They don't trust people with self-defense. I trust people more than the state.

That's what it is to be Libertarian. I'm Pro-Life BTW, but also Pro-Choice, because I trust people more than the state.

When he is there speaking of keeping a born baby (full term) comfortable after a botched abortion while mom and doctor decides whether to finish the job of killing the baby, sorry that is not choice, it is murder.

 

[fried-chicken]

You can see now why Senator Obama in 2002 opposed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. He voted against it. He was an early mover in the radical shift to the extreme left for the DNC on late term abortion/infanticide protections.

This is why moderate Dems like Howard Schultz are being attacked by the DNC already. They fear anyone that isn't pushing the furthest left ideas possible.

radical shift to the extreme left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[fried-chicken]

It's 9am. 85 is having his daily morning rage induced jerk off session. Got to get all that sexual frustration out.

 

[UCFKnight85]

It's 9am. 85 is having his daily morning rage induced jerk off session. Got to get all that sexual frustration out.

Every post likes this tells me how ashamed you are to now be part of the DNC. The ultimate butthurt deflection.

It’s sad to watch but own it already.

 

[fried-chicken]

I won't be a part of your jerk session.

 

[UCFKnight85]

I won't be a part of your jerk session.

Question: at what point did your stance on abortion do a 180? At what point did you go from supporting abortion only to 20 weeks, or "the point if viability", to supporting abortion up to and after birth?

Was it when your DNC leaders told you to?

 

[UCFWayne]

Question: at what point did your stance on abortion do a 180? At what point did you go from supporting abortion only to 20 weeks, or "the point if viability", to supporting abortion up to and after birth?

Was it when your DNC leaders told you to?

hes got 2 kids, hes just trolling

 

[UCFKnight85]

hes got 2 kids, hes just trolling

Nah, he's not. He knows whatever doofus the DNC puts forth in 2020 will absolutely adopt the "abortion til birth" doctrine to prove to lefties what awesome abortion supporters they are. It's quickly become DNC policy to look down on anyone who voices any support for any restrictions whatsoever.

He's just setting the stage to defend that position come next year.

 

[fried-chicken]

Nah, he's not. He knows whatever doofus the DNC puts forth in 2020 will absolutely adopt the "abortion til birth" doctrine to prove to lefties what awesome abortion supporters they are. It's quickly become DNC policy to look down on anyone who voices any support for any restrictions whatsoever.

He's just setting the stage to defend that position come next year.

My personal beliefs don't always align with every single Democrat congressperson.

If you want me to own this you better be ready to own Steve King.

 

[UCFWayne]

My personal beliefs don't always align with every single Democrat congressperson.

If you want me to own this you better be ready to own Steve King.

except youve been talking about how awesome these new abortion laws are

 

[UCFKnight85]

My personal beliefs don't always align with every single Democrat congressperson.

If you want me to own this you better be ready to own Steve King.

You literally just said you're "fine" with the NY bill that also allows abortion until birth. I've already destroyed your attempt to claim that it's only if the mother's life is in danger (it's not, and that's not a reason for abortion that late anyways).

So you were either lying, or you do support abortion 'til birth. Which is it?

 

[UCFKnight85]

except youve been talking about how awesome these new abortion laws are

LOL. Seriously.

It's like he's incapable of remembering what he typed just yesterday.

 

[fried-chicken]

I'm fine with any law that allows individuals to decide their capacity for health risk of the mother. You aren't qualified to pontificate on this subject and I am so shut your dumb ass up about it.

 

[UCFWayne]

I'm fine with any law that allows individuals to decide their capacity for health risk of the mother. You aren't qualified to pontificate on this subject and I am so shut your dumb ass up about it.

what makes you more qualified than 85?

 

[UCFKnight85]

what makes you more qualified than 85?

lol he's caught in his own words and lies so now he's being an idiot.

He was against late term abortions and infanticide before he was for it, er, against it now - or something.

 

[fried-chicken]

what makes you more qualified than 85?

I've been involved in making decisions on pregnancy termination when the mother's health was at risk. Our decision to carry the baby to viability and risk the mother's health was very difficult and personal and should never be made outside of the individual family certainly not by blowhard rage boners who are playing the politics game.

 

[UCFKnight85]

I've been involved in making decisions on pregnancy termination when the mother's health was at risk. Our decision to carry the baby to viability and risk the mother's health was very difficult and personal and should never be made outside of the individual family certainly not by blowhard rage boners who are playing the politics game.

OK- but that has nothing to do with your prior stance that abortion should only be legal up to 20 weeks, which is distinctly different than what you support now.

And as the OB/GYN that I quoted said, who testified on this matter last year, he has never once had an instance where an abortion was required in the third trimester for anything related to the mother's health. If required the baby is BORN, not aborted.

And then there's the matter of the VA Governor insisting that there is a right to kill still implied even after the baby is lying there on the delivery table.

It's ok if you say you disagree with NY and VA laws if that's what you think.