Why aren't we enacting the Defense Production Act?

[DaShuckster]

The health experts are saying that America needs BILLIONS (with a B) of surgical masks over the next 12 months. This past weekend Pence made a big deal about getting millions of masks to the medical community...very soon.

The trouble is Pence has been saying the same thing for over a week now. And when we are staring at the need for billions of masks, the Administration is talking a meager fraction of what is needed to combat this pandemic.

So why aren't we fully enacting the Defense Production Act?

If ever there was a time when we need to ratchet up the nation's resources to address a critical need, it's now. My gut tells me that Trump doesn't want to make this call because it would open him up to...gasp!...charges of hypocrisy...when he runs for reelection against those Socialist Democrats.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ense-production-act-powers-only-if-we-have-to

 

[UCFKnight85]

Because, moron, we don't need it if private industry is already flocking to assist without being mandated to, as was provided to you in your own goddamn link

Auto manufacturers, including Ford, General Motors, and Tesla, have received approval from the Trump administration to begin making ventilators for hospitals.

Meanwhile, 3M has already increased N95 production to 100 million per month.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/3...asks-to-nearly-100-million-a-month-2020-03-23

And then you already have tons of companies around the country switching from their normal operations to make masks, like this couch company.

https://komonews.com/news/coronavir...g-couches-to-surgical-masks-to-help-hospitals

 

[Crazyhole]

The health experts are saying that America needs BILLIONS (with a B) of surgical masks over the next 12 months. This past weekend Pence made a big deal about getting millions of masks to the medical community...very soon.

The trouble is Pence has been saying the same thing for over a week now. And when we are staring at the need for billions of masks, the Administration is talking a meager fraction of what is needed to combat this pandemic.

So why aren't we fully enacting the Defense Production Act?

If ever there was a time when we need to ratchet up the nation's resources to address a critical need, it's now. My gut tells me that Trump doesn't want to make this call because it would open him up to...gasp!...charges of hypocrisy...when he runs for reelection against those Socialist Democrats.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ense-production-act-powers-only-if-we-have-to

The defense production act is the kind of thing that a dictator would do. Can we now dismiss the claims that trump wants to be a dictator?

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

Because, moron, we don't need it if private industry is already flocking to assist without being mandated to, as was provided to you in your own goddamn link

Auto manufacturers, including Ford, General Motors, and Tesla, have received approval from the Trump administration to begin making ventilators for hospitals.

Meanwhile, 3M has already increased N95 production to 100 million per month.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/3...asks-to-nearly-100-million-a-month-2020-03-23

And then you already have tons of companies around the country switching from their normal operations to make masks, like this couch company.

https://komonews.com/news/coronavir...g-couches-to-surgical-masks-to-help-hospitals

I was about to say the same thing...maybe nicer way...lol. private industry going to save us again. Thanks for capitalism.

But yeah the arm chair QB from Nebraska has the answers.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Because socialism. We don't want to be Venezuela. Now get back to printing money.

 

[fried-chicken]

I'm confused by this thread.

1. It's already enacted. Trump's just no using it yet.
2. Private industry is not the answer. They currently have states bidding against eachother and are sending life saving supplies to the highest bidder, not the highest need.
3. This is the exact reason Trump needs to use it. The production needs to go to where the need is, not where the money is.

 

[fried-chicken]

This act exists for a reason. Companies need to be acting for the public good as we all are as individuals. This is not the time to try to see if companies will abandon more profitable product lines to make less profitable items that we need to survive. We shouldn't give them that choice. We need all supply chain activity to be making medical devices and beds and masks and gloves.

 

[UCFKnight85]

I'm confused by this thread.

1. It's already enacted. Trump's just no using it yet.
2. Private industry is not the answer. They currently have states bidding against eachother and are sending life saving supplies to the highest bidder, not the highest need.
3. This is the exact reason Trump needs to use it. The production needs to go to where the need is, not where the money is.

Wrong. 3M is sending 500,000 N95's this week to NYC and Seattle based upon need. Stop trying to crap on private industry with nonsense.

Since you're an expert on supply chains required to make masks, gloves, or ventilators, please inform us how companies that have nothing to do with those products can all suddenly scale production for those items?

 

[UCFKnight85]

De Blasio is out there claiming Trump is going to kill New Yorkers; meanwhile, it has been revealed that his NYC Admin did not even place orders for PPE until March 6th.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/20/city-hall-didnt-order-covid-19-supplies-for-nyc-until-march-6/

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

De Blasio is out there claiming Trump is going to kill New Yorkers; meanwhile, it has been revealed that his NYC Admin did not even place orders for PPE until March 6th.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/20/city-hall-didnt-order-covid-19-supplies-for-nyc-until-march-6/

Biden wanted Wuhan residents chilling and drinking in NYC.

 

[Cubs79]

Wrong. 3M is sending 500,000 N95's this week to NYC and Seattle based upon need. Stop trying to crap on private industry with nonsense.

Since you're an expert on supply chains required to make masks, gloves, or ventilators, please inform us how companies that have nothing to do with those products can all suddenly scale production for those items?

What about New Orleans and Lousiana in general? It isnt doing great now either. FC is right, as long we have governments having to compete for resources it is both going to cost more, and a lot of areas that need supplies aren't going to get them because someone else bought them. It isnt crapping on private industry it is acknowledging what private industry is.

https://www.wdsu.com/article/covid-...eaths-reported-bringing-total-to-34/31899546#

 

[DaShuckster]

This act exists for a reason.

But it means nothing if we don't have the guts to USE it!

Trump spent the weekend talking about how private corporations have stepped up and volunteered to help. That's all well and good, but in these difficult times we need the government to be coordinating a structured, unified effort.

Volunteers are fine but if you've ever coordinated a volunteer effort, it's a challenge in more ways than one. If time is of the essence -- which it most definitely is -- then we need to be talking specific production numbers and hard timelines. With all due respect to good-hearted businesses, they need specific directions if we're going to meet our production goals.

 

[fried-chicken]

If we wanted a business man to run the country we should have at least picked one who was more than smoke and mirrors.

How many fortune 500 CEOs are better at managing, understanding issues, learning, reacting, and assessing data than Trump?

When you listen to him speak you can tell he just doesn't understand anything that's going on around him.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

I'm confused by this thread.

1. It's already enacted. Trump's just no using it yet.
2. Private industry is not the answer. They currently have states bidding against eachother and are sending life saving supplies to the highest bidder, not the highest need.
3. This is the exact reason Trump needs to use it. The production needs to go to where the need is, not where the money is.

ding ding ding, we have a winner. Correct Sir.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

But it means nothing if we don't have the guts to USE it!

Trump spent the weekend talking about how private corporations have stepped up and volunteered to help. That's all well and good, but in these difficult times we need the government to be coordinating a structured, unified effort.

Volunteers are fine but if you've ever coordinated a volunteer effort, it's a challenge in more ways than one. If time is of the essence -- which it most definitely is -- then we need to be talking specific production numbers and hard timelines. With all due respect to good-hearted businesses, they need specific directions if we're going to meet our production goals.

Frump wants us to believe that capitalism ALONE will work (which is not true)....roads, utilities, safety services, police, fire....all social service from Tax revenue. We need both.

 

[UCFKnight85]

What about New Orleans and Lousiana in general? It isnt doing great now either. FC is right, as long we have governments having to compete for resources it is both going to cost more, and a lot of areas that need supplies aren't going to get them because someone else bought them. It isnt crapping on private industry it is acknowledging what private industry is.

https://www.wdsu.com/article/covid-...eaths-reported-bringing-total-to-34/31899546#

Congress is about to pass $2T in relief spending; if you're telling me that a State isn't getting masks purely because they were "outbid" then please ready my Bullshit Alarm to sound off.

I asked previously and no one answered, of course, but can you tell me if the supply chains even exist right now to tell random companies that they're now making masks? Gloves? Ventilators? How long would it take to learn the TDP, specifications, quality assurance standards, etc ? Do you want companies making N95's who have never made a mask in their lives, and gambling with whether or not the quality is actually good enough for a nurse or doctor?

What they seem to be doing, which is a far better idea, is working with the actual OEMs to surge capacity, expand operations, and get more product out ASAP.

 

[UCFKnight85]

If we wanted a business man to run the country we should have at least picked one who was more than smoke and mirrors.

How many fortune 500 CEOs are better at managing, understanding issues, learning, reacting, and assessing data than Trump?

When you listen to him speak you can tell he just doesn't understand anything that's going on around him.

The guy who thinks you can pluck any random company and have them suddenly be able to produce N95's or ventilators thinks someone else doesn't understand business.

 

[fried-chicken]

The guy who thinks you can pluck any random company and have them suddenly be able to produce N95's or ventilators thinks someone else doesn't understand business.

Do you think Trump is better at managing and understanding thing than any fortune 500 CEO?

I'm not saying I should be president I just wonder why you picked this particular person to be president when it's clear he's in way over his head.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Do you think Trump is better at managing and understanding thing than any fortune 500 CEO?

I'm not saying I should be president I just wonder why you picked this particular person to be president when it's clear he's in way over his head.

Your party is running a guy who lost his mind 3 years ago and would have allowed for the unrestrained flow of people from overseas hotspots under the guise of Wokeness. Kindly see your see through comments to the door.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Trump has deferred action to the states. It’s up to states to fight it out for supplies and formulate plans to slow the spread of the virus. Plus currently the states that are being hardest hit are full of liberals that he hates anyway. And then he can blame the liberal leaders of those states. So it’s a win win. Leadership by delegation.

 

[fried-chicken]

Your party is running a guy who lost his mind 3 years ago and would have allowed for the unrestrained flow of people from overseas hotspots under the guise of Wokeness. Kindly see your see through comments to the door.

Do you think Trump is better equipped to handle complex situations than any fortune 500 CEO?

 

[Cubs79]

Congress is about to pass $2T in relief spending; if you're telling me that a State isn't getting masks purely because they were "outbid" then please ready my Bullshit Alarm to sound off.

I asked previously and no one answered, of course, but can you tell me if the supply chains even exist right now to tell random companies that they're now making masks? Gloves? Ventilators? How long would it take to learn the TDP, specifications, quality assurance standards, etc ? Do you want companies making N95's who have never made a mask in their lives, and gambling with whether or not the quality is actually good enough for a nurse or doctor?

What they seem to be doing, which is a far better idea, is working with the actual OEMs to surge capacity, expand operations, and get more product out ASAP.

This is how private industry works. If every state is essentially on their own then some states likely wont get some supplies because they went to another states. Coordination with the federal government would allow supplies to go where they are needed. If you are going to take a private industry approach then the rules of private industry arent suspended simply because it's a crisis.

I am sure some manufacturers could make supplies quicker than others. But that doesnt really have much to do with running the supplies through the Federal government instead of making states compete against each other.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Trump has slowplayed his hand in the hopes that the economy wouldn’t tank. Instead the market is down 10k and we still aren’t moving toward a lockdown that other countries have had to implement to curb the spread. Instead it seems he’s going to make thing less restrictive to try and get the economy to rebound. But the cat is already out of the bag on Covid19. People have already learned enough about it and will be voluntarily social distancing. The majority of businesses would be failing right now as the cases escalate because people aren’t going to want to frequent them during an ongoing pandemic. And relaxing restrictions just prolongs the inevitable. I’m not saying there is an easy solution, but I think you have to value lives at this point as the economic damage is done.

 

[DaShuckster]

Trump has slowplayed his hand in the hopes that the economy wouldn’t tank. Instead the market is down 10k and we still aren’t moving toward a lockdown that other countries have had to implement to curb the spread. Instead it seems he’s going to make thing less restrictive to try and get the economy to rebound. But the cat is already out of the bag on Covid19. People have already learned enough about it and will be voluntarily social distancing. The majority of businesses would be failing right now as the cases escalate because people aren’t going to want to frequent them during an ongoing pandemic. And relaxing restrictions just prolongs the inevitable. I’m not saying there is an easy solution, but I think you have to value lives at this point as the economic damage is done.

As with everything about this corona virus pandemic, Trump is a day late and a dollar short.

 

[Ucfmikes]

As with everything about this corona virus pandemic, Trump is a day late and a dollar short.

Elizabeth Harrington (@LizRNC) Tweeted:
Dr. Fauci responds to question about differences between U.S. and Italy, says @realDonaldTrump stopping travel very early from China "has gone a long way" in fight against coronavirus

"Unfortunately, Italy did not do that. They had an open border."

https://t.co/bf62gVytrH

 

[UCFKnight85]

Elizabeth Harrington (@LizRNC) Tweeted:
Dr. Fauci responds to question about differences between U.S. and Italy, says @realDonaldTrump stopping travel very early from China "has gone a long way" in fight against coronavirus

"Unfortunately, Italy did not do that. They had an open border."

https://t.co/bf62gVytrH

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Certain people on here have been pushing the “we are 10 days behind Italy!” Hysteria for over a week now. I wonder if they’ll respond to this.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Certain people on here have been pushing the “we are 10 days behind Italy!” Hysteria for over a week now. I wonder if they’ll respond to this.

You got us. We are 12 days behind. 13 days ago Italy had under 500 total deaths. US will be at 600 tonight. Italy deaths were growing at 30% and US at 26% day over day.

 

[Cubs79]

ANd now Trump is already talking about potentially opening things back up next week. That would most certainly be a disaster.

 

[DaShuckster]

ANd now Trump is already talking about potentially opening things back up next week. That would most certainly be a disaster.

The ONLY way you can interpret such a foolhardy tweet is that he's more concerned with the Stock Market than he is with American lives.

 

[Cubs79]

The ONLY way you can interpret such a foolhardy tweet is that he's more concerned with the Stock Market than he is with American lives.

Of course he is, but spreading this even more isnt going to suddenly help the economy. THe surgeon general is saying this week will be worse than last, and Trump thinks just going back to normal in the next week or two would be a good idea? I really hope he listens to his health professionals and not his economists. I am sure his supporters will defend it and we all just have TDS though.

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

Biden would have us open to China because he has dementia and trying to be woke. Brilliant leader.

 

[Ucfmikes]

The ONLY way you can interpret such a foolhardy tweet is that he's more concerned with the Stock Market than he is with American lives.

Of course he is, but spreading this even more isnt going to suddenly help the economy. THe surgeon general is saying this week will be worse than last, and Trump thinks just going back to normal in the next week or two would be a good idea? I really hope he listens to his health professionals and not his economists. I am sure his supporters will defend it and we all just have TDS though.

Beautiful advice given from 2 unemployed or retired partisan hacks that could care less about working Americans that are in states that have very few cases

No 79 year-old millionaire expert doctor could give 2 shits about the implications (healthwise as well) of shutting down an entire country for weeks. Physicians are narrow-minded

That’s why being the POTUS IS a crappy job. You have to make tough decisions and there isn’t always a correct answer. You have to look at the country as a whole

 

[Cubs79]

Beautiful advice given from 2 unemployed or retired partisan hacks that could care less about working Americans that are in states that have very few cases

No 79 year-old millionaire expert doctor could give 2 shits about the implications (healthwise as well) of shutting down an entire country for weeks. Physicians are narrow-minded

That’s why being the POTUS IS a crappy job. You have to make tough decisions and there isn’t always a correct answer. You have to look at the country as a whole

Huh? I am not unemployed or retired.

You realize that it spreads right? States that have few cases now likely wont stay that way if things just go back to normal at this point.

So, we shouldnt listen to health experts, thanks for being honest.

Yes, it is a tough job, but every one who has been president signed up for it and wanted they position, so the dont get a pass if they make poor decisions.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Huh? I am not unemployed or retired.

You realize that it spreads right? States that have few cases now likely wont stay that way if things just go back to normal at this point.

So, we shouldnt listen to health experts, thanks for being honest.

Yes, it is a tough job, but every one who has been president signed up for it and wanted they position, so the dont get a pass if they make poor decisions.

Fine, but the Shookster is retired and probably has a few million tucked away safely

I’m still for shutting down pockets of the United States where it’s being hit the hardest. The president is taking the advice of health care officials and using it to TRY and do what’s best for the country as a whole. You know darn well that there is no correct answer to every scenario and he could swing and miss or hit it out of the park with this

I honestly do not know how the advice could be shut down for additional weeks (the dow has lost over 1/3 of its value, millions of people have lost their jobs, crucial US businesses have lost more than 50% of their value). While yes the CEO's of these companies make a lot of money, those companies employ 10s of millions of people, and guess what the CEO's are going to be ok whether Trump shuts it down for 6 days, 6 weeks, 6 months or even possibly 6 years. Not sure why people think this is being done for the .1% of the richest people of the United States (those people are going to be rich no matter what).

 

[Cubs79]

I honestly do not know how the advice could be shut down for additional weeks (the dow has lost over 1/3 of its value, millions of people have lost their jobs, crucial US businesses have lost more than 50% of their value). While yes the CEO's of these companies make a lot of money, those companies employ 10s of millions of people, and guess what the CEO's are going to be ok whether Trump shuts it down for 6 days, 6 weeks, 6 months or even possibly 6 years. Not sure why people think this is being done for the .1% of the richest people of the United States (those people are going to be rich no matter what).

If we dont shut down it is going to spread and the reality is we will probably end up worse off than in country on the planet because of it, and we will deal with it for months. The economy isnt going to be great in that time frame because intelligent people arent going to travel, go out, etc, knowing this virus is spreading all over the place. So I would say it is a pick your poison situation, but I dont think it is even that. The economy is going to be hurt regardless, so why not at least try to protect the health of our society? i said nothing about the .1% so not sure why you directed that at me.

Dan Patrick, Lt Gov of texas said on Tucker Carlson tonight, was that grandparents are willing to risk their health for the economy. Just process that for a minute.

 

[Ucfmikes]

i said nothing about the .1% so not sure why you directed that at me.

Just a general statement. A lot of people think
this is all about saving the very wealthy

 

[Ucfmikes]

If we dont shut down it is going to spread and the reality is we will probably end up worse off than in country on the planet because of it, and we will deal with it for months. The economy isnt going to be great in that time frame because intelligent people arent going to travel, go out, etc, knowing this virus is spreading all over the place. So I would say it is a pick your poison situation, but I dont think it is even that. The economy is going to be hurt regardless, so why not at least try to protect the health of our society? i said nothing about the .1% so not sure why you directed that at me.

Greg Abbot said on Tucker Carlson tonight, was that grandparents are willing to risk their health for the economy. Just process that for a minute.

Once again. It’s a difference of opinion. There are many many bad implications of shutting down a country that we haven’t even seen yet
I’m still for shutting down pockets

 

[Cubs79]

Once again. It’s a difference of opinion. There are many many bad implications of shutting down a country that we haven’t even seen yet
I’m still for shutting down pockets

And there are many bad things from continuing to spread a virus all over the place. A virus that can kill or cause life long health issues in people.

 

[Ucfmikes]

And there are many bad things from continuing to spread a virus all over the place. A virus that can kill or cause life long health issues in people.

Can we even enforce the shutdown of THIS country?? It would basically take martial law

 

[DaShuckster]

Can we even enforce the shutdown of THIS country?? It would basically take martial law

My gut instinct is that we're all going to find out before this thing is over.