It's hard to know exactly. NYC did shut a lot of things down, but certainly people were still on subways and what not. Hard to know exactly how much worse it would have been had they not shut anything down, or on the other side how much better it would have been had they shutdown subways and other things down completely.
Why is it that most people who don’t want to open up the economy don’t work anyway?
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It's hard to know exactly. NYC did shut a lot of things down, but certainly people were still on subways and what not. Hard to know exactly how much worse it would have been had they not shut anything down, or on the other side how much better it would have been had they shutdown subways and other things down completely.
Oh, it was the White House? I take it all back. Trump is allowed one goof-ball prediction.
Zero new dollars. We are lucky that we have a considerable amount of A/R. I'm more concerned that things won't go back to normal when we open again. It's not like flipping a switch.
Video does not equal research with statistics that I can look at. I'm not making decisions about my future based on 2 dudes on a YouTube video.
He was never going to need 30k respirators. The curve only flattened in the last 10 days.
Elon Musk just tweeted out that the hospitals get paid more if patients get listed as covid 19. Scam away and scare the betas.
Hospital officials would never lie to get extra money. *
Statistics that I can't see. I'm open to looking at their work when they publish it.
It's easy to Monday morning quarterback when the worst case scenario doesn't occur. That actually means that you did things right. Post a link to their published work and I'll be happy to change my mind if their conclusion is backed up by facts and statically significant.
lol isn't Monday Morning quarterbacking what you guys have been doing nonstop when it comes to the President? You all told us on April 15th exactly what should have been done on January 31st, etc. You're all experts and everything done was wrong, remember?
Now Monday Morning QB'ing is off the table?
Tokyo:
Now isn't that odd. If there's a city in the world that could be compared to NYC that would be it. Why would their numbers be so much better?
Just think this one through. 2 doctors that own 5 ER clinics come out and put themselves at personal risk by going against basically every government agency. Don't you think they must have a lot of confidence in what they are saying? This isn't just a couple of hacks, they are established successful doctors.
Check out the CDC website. They publish the same statistics and update them daily
Their data is derived while under a stay at home order. Also they are not practicing Emergency physicians. They own urgent cares with a huge motivation to increase their production.
Nobody knows how bad this is going to get. The local government entities have been dependent on federal data and guidance. Without leadership from the feds, it was a prudent decision to shutdown in the most logical way at the time. Every month we learn a little more about the effects of this virus and can adjust accordingly.
Except they produced numbers from places that weren't under a stay-at-home order.
Its fine to say that you aren't interested in watching and listening to their data, but making assumptions on what they are saying out of hand is pretty reckless.
You aren't going to see deaths for a month. There is no "economy" without consumer confidence. You can open up as much as you want to but if people don't feel safe, they won't spend money.
Yeah, censorship!!! We can't allow this to happen!!!
This is just like when YouTube removed another video where a doctor made a 'compelling claim' that vaccines cause autism.
Freedom of speech, baby!*
I'm not going to stake a claim either way on this, but the whole "vaccines causes autism" thing didn't just appear out of nothing. There had to be something that made people see some kind of causality for it to have gotten this big. It just seems like the kind of thing that would be strange to make up without a reason. What would be the motivation?Yeah, censorship!!! We can't allow this to happen!!!
This is just like when YouTube removed another video where a doctor made a 'compelling claim' that vaccines cause autism.
Freedom of speech, baby!*
I’m not receiving anything from the government. 0 dollars. I was rolling and my March numbers were excellent (paid in April). My employer cut my salary and hours a little prematurely in my opinion. Therefore, my bonus, which the percentage hasn’t been touched, can’t be reached adequately. People have lost their jobs and insurance, and they don’t have money.
Those are major issues, but most of all, they are SCARED to go out. A/R will continue to dwindle every month, but unfortunately my employer is staying 2 steps ahead, so I expect something drastic in a few weeks if this doesn’t end soon
Using your ironclad logic, the whole "the moon landing was faked" thing didn't just appear out of nowhere either. Hmmmmmm...
No, there is a profit motive there. It was started by people that wanted to sell newsletters.
A profit motive isn't necessary IMHO. My highly scientific research study of the internet reveals a strong correlation between conspiracy theories 'appearing out of nothing' and the number of batshit crazy people online.
There is no actual scientific proof that this statement is true. We like to believe that it is true because it is something that we can do that makes some sense. But that does not make scientific proof. Your "preparation paradox" works both ways; you look at the results and say, "see they could've been much worse if we hadn't done this" to justify your actions but you don't have any real scientific evidence that this is the case. There's no control group. You have a wildly inaccurate model to justify the actions.
Now, the serological testing might help us understand whether the actions we took made any difference at all. If it was here earlier and if we went a month or two with no actions and we can accurately track the actual COVID deaths and not just lump every damn person that dies into that boat, then we can make some relatively educated estimates of how the actions affected the spread. Maybe.
Great retort, old chap. Show me the proof you have. Show me something other than your simple comparison of current statistics against a model.
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