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Tonight on NBC Nightly News they pointed out that Obama hasn't really made himself present in areas of protest during his time in office. From Trayvon, to Ferguson, etc. he basically hasn't stepped up. I wonder if he'll make the short trip to Baltimore?
So when the CIA gives Bush bad intel it's his fault. When the mayor's and police chief's subordinates screw up it's not their fault. Gotta love the double standards with you libs. I can't imagine the faux raging from you dumb fuks if Bush had just killed a couple US citizens in a drone strike.
So, are you saying that people stay married because they have money and get divorced or stay single because they're poor?
do you have proof of that. There is video of him being dragged after he wrecked his bike fleeing from police. The way his neck looked in that video you can't be sure he did not hurt himself during the chase. But hey, why let facts get in the way of your story, you don't seem to have a need for them.
LMAO, you speculate that he hurt himself running, then mention facts. It all makes sense to me now.
I have no Idea how he got hurt, but seeing the video, I do think he was hurt before going into the van. Did he fall and do it? Did an officer put a knee in his back when taking him down? Don't know. Do know his legs were limp when they dragged him to van.
No, I'm saying that poverty, lack of education, lack of employment, increased crime, increased drug use, increased incarceration rates, and all the other things these people have to deal with are major contributing factors to lack of traditional family structures. It isn't the other way around.
Is this a real question?
Just look at the mountain of evidence that supports the idea that a traditional family is far and away the absolute best way to raise children, avoid poverty, and sustain a better life. Child poverty is almost entirely unique to non married single parents. And of course, if the child is living in poverty, then the single parent is also living in poverty.
There is no affordable amount of welfare that can get these people out of poverty.
I'm not a sociology expert so I can't tell you how to reverse this disastrous course we've put ourselves on, but a good start would be to have the left wing and feminists to stop degrading the traditional family, the stay at home mom, and the general idea that sometimes it's better to focus on your children then yourself. Maybe instead of running specials on the "struggling single mom", and glorifying it, we should start running specials on how well children do in a married, 2 parent environment?
But nah, why do that? It's so "traditional" and boring!
This is not true.
In 1965, only 8% of black children were born out of wedlock. That number was 40% in 2010, and is at a ridiculous 70% in 2015. This is directly from the Urban Institute's study on this very topic.
In 1965, over 55% of black mothers lived with a married spouse. By 2010 that number dropped to below 25%, and today it stands at just 22%.
The report also shows, not surprisingly, that poverty amongst black populations has significantly increased over the same periods of time when the core family structure was broken apart.
I'll give you that drug use and crime is a contributing factor to this breakdown, but this still supports my point that the core breakdown of the black family is THE single biggest contributor to chronic poverty. The drug usage, crime, and subsequent lack of employment is merely the "how" it gradually happened. And sadly, this happened during a period when black people won much more freedom than they had in 1965.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read.
Decades of poverty, disenfranchisement, oppression, crime, and outright racism, that you're chalking up to not having a daddy around.
You're a ****ing idiot of biblical proportions, and I'm not just saying it to be funny this time. You really are.
Mac, you're out of your league. I said we don't know what happened but you, the typical liberal fool, want revenge instead of justice.
So says the idiot that can't read facts right in front of your face.
You're an excuse maker who thinks he understands societal race problems because you watched a f*cking VICE documentary and read a HuffPo Op-Ed.
You are the worst type of blowhard liberal douche.
It's the government's fault. I bet if we throw more money into education and training it will fix all of those problems.
chemmie thinks that if we just kicked in a few more billion dollars at the Federal level and got whiteys to curb their natural universal racism, the chronic black poverty seen in many cities would evaporate, even despite the core family structures being torn apart.
He really thinks this.
He really thinks this.
Catholics are always right. The families who booze, play bingo, and don't get divorced typically don't spend time in the hole. This isn't rocket science.
Not being Catholic.
anon_x731qvsnsyb8i
Diamond Knight
I think the lack of a family structure, lack of discipline, inability to raise children with respect for others and property, is a problem with all people...the same potential to be juvenile delinquent exists in all classes. I have seen some pretty brazen trust-fund hipster vandals during the occupy wall-street movement...oh, remember Seattle in 1999? Seemed like a lot of outspoken "poor" people in those events also...or maybe it was just "collective" imagination...
This is further exacerbated by this growing ideology that children belong to the community, not their parents...
This is further exacerbated by this growing ideology that children belong to the community, not their parents...
Nope, that's what you want to read.
I've already shown how the breakdown of family structure is impacting ALL ethnicities. It's just disproportionally slammed black society, especially amongst inner city populations.
And I've already said that I'm not a societal expert so I can't tell you every reason why black families have disintegrated, or how to fix it, but that is undeniably a root cause of chronic poverty.
"The man" or "The system" & lack of other people's (govt) money
Whatever it is 100% no one is responsible for any of their own decisions.
You have not "shown how the breakdown of family structure is impacting ALL ethnicities." You have made false correlations.
You've just admitted to having no basis for your opinion: "I can't tell you every reason why black families have disintegrated"
You can't give a single reason, because it nullifies your argument.
Since you can't give a reason why black families have disintegrated, causing their own poverty, violence, lack of education, drug use, incarceration rates, etc.
I'll just assume your reason why their families have disintegrated is because they are black.
By the way, the last Republican Mayor of Baltimore was in 1967. Maryland has had a whopping 2 Republican Governors since 1969.
Every single member of the Baltimore City Council is a Democrat.
Obama won 88% of the Baltimore city vote in 2012.
But yes, this is totally the end result of right wing policy firm in effect in Baltimore*
Every single member of the Baltimore City Council is a Democrat.
Obama won 88% of the Baltimore city vote in 2012.
But yes, this is totally the end result of right wing policy firm in effect in Baltimore*
You don't understand the difference between correlation and causation, do you?
...and I barely have the heart to tell you about The Myth of The Absent Black Father (lots more links in there for you to ignore)
So... come on and tell us why (in your mind) so many black fathers ignore their children? Why don't they keep the traditional family together? You would think they would, because (again, in your mind) it causes so much poverty and other destruction in their neighborhoods, and causes police brutality and crime and...
...and I barely have the heart to tell you about The Myth of The Absent Black Father (lots more links in there for you to ignore)
So... come on and tell us why (in your mind) so many black fathers ignore their children? Why don't they keep the traditional family together? You would think they would, because (again, in your mind) it causes so much poverty and other destruction in their neighborhoods, and causes police brutality and crime and...
anon_x731qvsnsyb8i
Diamond Knight
Wow, man...you read my mind. I was about to point out the same thing. Baltimore is like many other suburbs of DC, it is largely run by "community planning" initiatives...many of the results of such were burned down the other night. SMH.
anon_x731qvsnsyb8i
Diamond Knight
LOL. Who said anything about revenge? You can't manufacture my viewpoint then argue with it. That's not how a debate works outside of FoxNews.
Yes, it was a real question. The "traditional family" is an impractical ideal, but you are right to say that it has its advantages when it comes to being able to provide youth structure and direction. Since we dont live in an ideal world, then we need to be able to mimic that structure the best we can to support kids that are not getting good life direction at home.
Liberals and feminists didn't destroy the traditional family, human nature did.
Lulzzzzz
Yes, It's such an impractical ideal that it has been the overwhelmingly practiced form of social bond for thousands of years in most every corner of the earth.
You have seriously let some whacked out liberal blogs destroy your cognitive ability.
I don't read blogs, but the world thousands of years ago isn't the world today (common fallacy conservatives make). Prior to the industrial revolution the family unit provided all structure (food, shelter, protection, etc). That's no longer the case, and so as the world around us evolves humans adapt to it. Human nature pushes us to be independent and branch out and since that has been much easier the past 100 years (since there are other means of getting food and shelter outside the family), that's what has been happening. We haven't done a good job adapting to the loss of social support structure since the industrial revolution.
Always be careful about making arguments assuming a static world over long periods of time, they're usually not correct.
An impractical ideal? Wow. That just tells me, like most libs, your priorities are screwed up.
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