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Do you understand you literally were supporting the putting of guns to peoples' heads to make them stay home during the lockdowns, and then forcing them to get jabs, before they could work, have any livelihood, even if they worked remotely?!

Did you not read the federal mandate?! It applied to even people who never leave their homes! And the same with the OSHA BS (that the SCOTUS rejected, thankfully) on private, let me say that again, private companies who did not even have federal contracts at all?!

This is what the end of freedom looks like. People like you using the mob of taxpayer funded government guns against your fellow Americans! Leave us alone!
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I strongly disagree. Once you let the state define not only what you can do with your body, but default to being responsible for things beyond their body as a result after, you are promoting the state put a burden on the citizen.

BTW, this works both ways. I've long warned womens groups not to keep using the state against men, to the point men don't have a choice. The gun up against the head of any citizen to force them into 18+ years of servitude is always wrong.

And please don't give me 'the choice' was in the intercourse. That has been used for far too long to limit choice in even contraception and other things. We keep interfering more and more with people's bedrooms and it's about time the state keeps out.

This includes not interfering with parents who do raise children as well. Again, it goes both ways and the state is way, way too involved all around! We need to start trusting our fellow American citizens and stop using the state to butt into their bodies, lives and families.


Just as the Anti-Federalists argued against the Bill of Rights ... if it's not spelled out specifically, then people will say it's not a right. I love how both the Federalist and anti-Federalists were right.

People must be in charge of their own bodies, and not the mob of the taxpayers with the government's guns. This 'get them before they get themselves' (and no one else) has to end. We are killing people before they suicide themselves (and no one else) too ... sometimes the police state take innocent others with them too.


Roe v. Wade works fine as-is, and even allows for states to set limits on 3rd and even 2nd trimester abortions.
You sure do tie yourself in knots in the name of trying to hold to some vision you have of a political ideology.

The natural rights are the right to life, liberty, and property. That unborn child has a natural right to life that doesn't magically appear once it is exposed to air. You cannot just deprive that human life of it's natural right because you want to claim a civil right exists in a courtroom decision. That type of action requires democratically elected representatives to decide to intrude upon that natural right. Courts are not allowed to create rights, period.

As for your emotional appeal. Medication abortions are largely replacing physical abortions, especially in countries in places like Latin American and the Caribbean where legal abortions are highly restricted. The coat hanger in the back alley is going away and the black market for medicinal abortifacients is alive and well around the world. It is less safe for someone to take a pill without medical supervision for sure but it isn't nearly as dangerous as the coat hanger process that everyone uses as the only alternative to fully legal abortion.

Oh, and those anti-Federalists that you mention would've strung you up for using them in an argument in favor of abortion.
 
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The second amendment should be removed from the constitution. That would solve a lot of problems. It’s obsolete. It’s being interpreted completely wrong
It's being interpreted wrong? It's probably in the top 10 of most examined paragraphs in history. Politicians, judges, linguistic experts, and historians have spent a lot of time trying to figure out what it means and where we are is what those experts have concluded.
 
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It's being interpreted wrong? It's probably in the top 10 of most examined paragraphs in history. Politicians, judges, linguistic experts, and historians have spent a lot of time trying to figure out what it means and where we are is what those experts have concluded.
It’s being interpreted by morons who think that they have the right as INDIVIDUALS to BUY AS MANY GUNS AS THEY WANT and to KILL AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY CAN.
 
It’s being interpreted by morons who think that they have the right as INDIVIDUALS to BUY AS MANY GUNS AS THEY WANT and to KILL AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY CAN.
Was it in question whether an individual had a right to buy a gun when they could order one from a Sears catalog in 1915? Was it in question in 1820 when people could walk into a trade store and walk out a few minutes later with a gun?


If the 2nd amendment is being misinterpreted, it's been misinterpreted since day one and the founders just didn't speak up I guess.
 
Was it in question whether an individual had a right to buy a gun when they could order one from a Sears catalog in 1915? Was it in question in 1820 when people could walk into a trade store and walk out a few minutes later with a gun?


If the 2nd amendment is being misinterpreted, it's been misinterpreted since day one and the founders just didn't speak up I guess.
Did Mikes literally equate people buying as many guys as they want, if they pass a background check, including mental and restraining orders (which is already federal law), meaning increased deaths from those guns? That them buying 30 means they will kill 10x as many people as 3?

And I hope Mikes understands firearm dealers report, and usually flat out deny, people who try to buy a whole slew of firearms, and they do talk to each other and report it to FBI-CJIS. In fact, that's how the whole 'gunrunning' started. The W's ATF-FBI (really more ATF than FBI, FBI was powerless to stop them) started telling stores to sell them, against the store's better judgement, and it ended up being a failure.

Then Obama's ATF-FBI (again, more ATF than FBI) started forcing stores to sell them, and had orders of magnitude more going out, to the point politicians were unknowingly (or possibly knowingly in the case of Feinstein?) holding up those guns after crimes, saying Americans were illegally selling them to organized crime en masse.

And that's when 3 ATF agents whistleblew ...

And they were totally retaliated against by the Obama administration's ATF. Because the US gov't was purposely causing public harm and purposely trying to get the American public against any gun sales, by forcing gun stores and resellers to sell, even when they didn't want to, and knew where there were going. Because, as always ...

Government creates the best and biggest problems.
We used to understand that as voters, and avoided the government being involved.
But now ... it's standard thought as voters ... government is the solution, by default.

Ladies and gentlement ... I now give you the statistics ... of the post-lockdown!
 
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Did Mikes literally equate people buying as many guys as they want, if they pass a background check, including mental and restraining orders (which is already federal law), meaning increased deaths from those guns? That them buying 30 means they will kill 10x as many people as 3?

And I hope Mikes understands firearm dealers report, and usually flat out deny, people who try to buy a whole slew of firearms, and they do talk to each other and report it to FBI-CJIS. In fact, that's how the whole 'gunrunning' started. The W's FBI started telling stores to sell them, against the store's better judgement, and it ended up being a failure.

Then Obama's FBI started forcing stores to sell them, even when the store refused to.
Mike is your typical liberal when it comes to guns. They know nothing other than the AR-15 looks scary and is the biggest gun in history.
 
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Did Mikes literally equate people buying as many guys as they want, if they pass a background check, including mental and restraining orders (which is already federal law), meaning increased deaths from those guns? That them buying 30 means they will kill 10x as many people as 3?

And I hope Mikes understands firearm dealers report, and usually flat out deny, people who try to buy a whole slew of firearms, and they do talk to each other and report it to FBI-CJIS. In fact, that's how the whole 'gunrunning' started. The W's ATF-FBI (really more ATF than FBI, FBI was powerless to stop them) started telling stores to sell them, against the store's better judgement, and it ended up being a failure.

Then Obama's ATF-FBI (again, more ATF than FBI) started forcing stores to sell them, and had orders of magnitude more going out, to the point politicians were unknowingly (or possibly knowingly in the case of Feinstein?) holding up those guns after crimes, saying Americans were illegally selling them to organized crime en masse.

And that's when 3 ATF agents whistleblew ...

And they were totally retaliated against by the Obama administration's ATF. Because the US gov't was purposely causing public harm and purposely trying to get the American public against any gun sales, by forcing gun stores and resellers to sell, even when they didn't want to, and knew where there were going. Because, as always ...

Government creates the best and biggest problems.
We used to understand that as voters, and avoided the government being involved.
But now ... it's standard thought as voters ... government is the solution, by default.

Ladies and gentlement ... I now give you the statistics ... of the post-lockdown!
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Was it in question whether an individual had a right to buy a gun when they could order one from a Sears catalog in 1915? Was it in question in 1820 when people could walk into a trade store and walk out a few minutes later with a gun?


If the 2nd amendment is being misinterpreted, it's been misinterpreted since day one and the founders just didn't speak up I guess.
Mike is your typical liberal when it comes to guns. They know nothing other than the AR-15 looks scary and is the biggest gun in history.
Mike is your typical liberal when it comes to guns. They know nothing other than the AR-15 looks scary and is the biggest gun in history.
You child killers and mentally unstable suicidal racists don’t understand what the second amendment was meant to accomplish if you think that it has anything to do with what’s going on now
 
Mike is your typical liberal when it comes to guns. They know nothing other than the AR-15 looks scary and is the biggest gun in history.
Not needed to be in the possession of the general public you child killer lover
 
If the 2nd amendment is being misinterpreted, it's been misinterpreted since day one and the founders just didn't speak up I guess.
They weren’t using it in the 19th century as it being OK to stockpile a personal arsenal to shoot up grocery stores and schools you imbecile
 
They weren’t using it in the 19th century as it being OK to stockpile a personal arsenal to shoot up grocery stores and schools you imbecile
It still comes down to the fact that we have an individual right to buy, possess, and carry whatever firearm we want.
 
It still comes down to the fact that we have an individual right to buy, possess, and carry whatever firearm we want.
Well… that’s why they are changing the laws and the 2nd amendment needs to be repealed you suicidal, racist, unemployed, celibate. child killer
 

I'll bet Mike and Joe and Jeremy don't get the irony of this.
I have a lot of anxiety about this christmas. After 2 suicidal episodes this year I am really uncomfortable with the idea of being around the in-laws. This year has also brought about changes with my girls. I got divorced 8 years ago and had full custody of my kids until this year. They moved in with their mom in january and things have been pretty difficult between us since then. Nobody, including my wife, has been terribly supportive of what I've been dealing with this year and I've been putting on a happy face whenever I'm asked how things are going because when I'm honest it makes things worse. I'm just tired of it and now its going to be in my face for the next few days. Nobody understands but everybody has a solution.

Sorry to vent. Merry christmas to everyone"
 
I have a lot of anxiety about this christmas. After 2 suicidal episodes this year I am really uncomfortable with the idea of being around the in-laws. This year has also brought about changes with my girls. I got divorced 8 years ago and had full custody of my kids until this year. They moved in with their mom in january and things have been pretty difficult between us since then. Nobody, including my wife, has been terribly supportive of what I've been dealing with this year and I've been putting on a happy face whenever I'm asked how things are going because when I'm honest it makes things worse. I'm just tired of it and now its going to be in my face for the next few days. Nobody understands but everybody has a solution.

Sorry to vent. Merry christmas to everyone"
Why did the kid in "Jeremy" shoot up his school?
 

I'll bet Mike and Joe and Jeremy don't get the irony of this.
And Payable On Death (P.O.D.) didn't write 'Youth of the Nation' to immortalize everyday inner-city, everyday, minority youth gun violence that consumes the super-majority of teenage deaths other than from suicide (especially now that we defined 'kids' as all teenagers, including 18-19, no longer adults). No, that would bring real attention to a real statistics, and actually might drive people -- especially white people -- to want to solve it.

No, they wrote a song immortailizing a bunch of more privileged kids who went on a rampage -- with no ARs, and actually AWB pistol weapons, like the TEC-9 explicitly banned by the law -- at Columbine. The minority statistic that isn't an outlier issue with regular violence, but one that takes hold when the immortailization of 24x7 news and media infamy, along with increased psychological distress after freedoms and childhood dreams are destroyed.

Sigh ... we are our own issue.
 
Over 200 people shot during the 4th of July weekend in America.

We really need to do something about our door problem. Maybe redesign the whole country with just one entrance?
 
Over 200 people shot during the 4th of July weekend in America.

We really need to do something about our door problem. Maybe redesign the whole country with just one entrance?
Door problems and if there had just been more police at that 4th of July parade in Highland Park, homeboy would have been blasted by the po poz.
 
Door problems and if there had just been more police at that 4th of July parade in Highland Park, homeboy would have been blasted by the po poz.
Yep, just like at Uvalde. Where an officer had the terrorist in his sights but didn't shoot.

Uvalde officer aimed rifle at gunman outside school but didn't fire, new report finds.

 
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Absolutely horrific hallway video, 44 minutes of absolute inaction while children died.

This is 100% on the GOP and those who support them.

one cop was able to take a phone break and grab some hand sanitizer while children were murdered because republicans value guns over kids.

 
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Absolutely horrific hallway video, 44 minutes of absolute inaction while children died.

This is 100% on the GOP and those who support them.

one cop was able to take a phone break and grab some hand sanitizer while children were murdered because republicans value guns over kids.

I agree with you except it was 77 minutes. Enough time to watch the Nightmare Before Christmas start to end while kids were literally dying 50 feet away.
 
I watched a few minutes of it. Super horrific. I’m assuming they edited out the screams. First thing that came to mind is how easy someone can kill many dozens or hundreds of people if they wanted to. Way more than 21
 
Rage inducing video. Especially that cop with the punisher logo and American flag on his phone. I'll be interested to see if these people are disciplined in any meaningful way, but I don't have my hopes up.
 
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Every single last one of these worthless shit stains should be thrown in jail for impersonating an LEO.

Nah, too soft. These pigs should be charged with being an accessory to murder. They actively restrained parents from saving their kids for over an hour, while the children bled out on the floor.
 
Every single last one of these worthless shit stains should be thrown in jail for impersonating an LEO.
I know originally that I was trying to find some logical reason for why they wouldn't go in but there isn't one. I generally don't like making examples of people but this is an exception to that. Every officer involved in this, from those in the school to those in command that day to those that organized policy and training need to be cleared out. We need to quite clearly communicate to all of the other agencies in this country what is expected in these situations.
 
One might get the impression from their inaction that those local yokals were scared sh*tless to charge the shooter.
Combination of being scared, lack of proper communication, and extremely poor training.

I really think it says a lot that a border patrol who was getting his hair cut an hour away was able to borrow a shotgun from his barber and blast the shooter in a more efficient and timely
manner than the 19 useless stooges who were impersonating LEOs and standing around washing their hands or playing Wordle on their phone.
 
One might get the impression from their inaction that those local yokals were scared sh*tless to charge the shooter.
One might get that impression. How many times have you charged into the face of someone firing a gun at you?
 
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The harsh reality is that A LOT of cops aren’t going to take a chance on being outgunned. Too many cops are dying and many are just saying screw this.
 
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