Some people are worried about the left. And some people are sick of mass shootings.
Another school shooting
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I’d bet that nearly every person worried about losing 2A is also sick of mass shootings.
Someone tried to make a point earlier that you’re more likely to be killed by a firearm in your house than to use it to kill someone in self-defense. This may be true but it only tells part of the story. Very few of the defensive applications of firearms result in death. The CDC estimates that people in the US employ firearms between 500,000 and 3,000,000 times a year in self defense. That’s 500,000 to 3,000,000 people a year who weren’t the victims of crime thanks to their ability to utilize a firearm to protect themselves without killing themselves or their family. Given the overall statistics of violent crimes, how many of those people avoided being beaten, raped, or murdered simply because they could exercise their 2A right?
Just presenting information that doesn’t seem to get attention from the media channels. If no one wants to respond to it, that’s fine.
I was wondering who you were addressing about “someone trying to make a point”. Mainly because I made a statement at one point that based on my own risk assessment with young children at home, having a weapon at home and accessible for self defense purposes was a higher risk than that of being a victim of a home invasion and not having a gun for defense. But certainly each situation is unique.
Absolutely true. My wife is 4th generation law enforcement and grew up with guns in the house as you would think (and knew not to touch the long rifle that many times ended up on the counter). My parents are hard-core Chicago progressives and we never had firearms in the house. The prospect of my sons getting ahold of a firearm and misusing it scares the hell out of me. But fear is a good thing because it drives safety practices. And drives the norms that we instill in them with respect to firearms. My oldest knows not to touch the "bang-bang" guns and that if he ever sees one to not touch it and run and tell an adult right away. He's also being taught to never, ever hold even a toy gun (no matter if it is a water gun or any other kind of gun) around a police officer as part of the "talk" about how you interact with a police officer. The youngest is 1 so he just absorbs what we're telling him. I do wonder what, if anything, people who do not keep weapons teach their kids. What would their kids do if they get their hands on a weapon?
Regardless, we believe (and live) that safely keeping weapons in the house is a lifestyle and not just a random object that you possess and don't think about. We keep our weapons locked up at all times and never bring them out unless we are actively using them (i.e. to go to the range). There is always an adult in the room with a weapon. And on and on.
Holy. Shit.
Uvalde Police now not cooperating with DOJ investigation.
If only there was a group that warned us just how goddamn shitty the police are. Maybe they could have organized protests last summer.
Uvalde Police now not cooperating with DOJ investigation.
If only there was a group that warned us just how goddamn shitty the police are. Maybe they could have organized protests last summer.
They signed up to use their guns--and didn't. Arrest them all and charge them with impersonating police officers.
I grew up in a home with a couple of shotguns, 22 rifle and handguns. We NEVER touched my grandfathers or fathers guns. and at 3 or 4 years old understood why, we played cowboys and indians, and other games with play guns, and understood the difference. Seeing the deer and turkey he would shoot, (yes we ate them) left us no doubts what dead was, at an early age. We raised and butchered chickens, and saw exactly what death was. For kids today it is and abstract thing for many.
The first gun I ever shot was my grandfather's 22 rifle somewhere around 6 or 7 years old. holding it up with help, hearing the bang, and little kick along with seeing wood come off the board we were aiming at made it perfectly clear I wasn't holding a toy. The first gun death I can remember came at age 8 when JFK was murdered. The national sorrow and pain from that event solidified my understanding of what a gun was and could do.
Keep your kids safe, but don't be afraid to teach them early what a gun is and isn't and to respect them rather than fear them. Put an unloaded gun in their hands let them feel how solid and heavy they are, explain they have to be that way because of how strong a gunshot is. The best fear/respect comes from knowledge. Most people wouldn't teach kids today to use a bow and arrow, I was doing target practice with friends at 10 without parents there. None of us would ever aim an bow at someone. Why, we totally understood what could and possibly would happen with an accident.
We as a nation are raising snowflakes, that are both weak and ignorant of the real world, and we need to stop.
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The first FIVE stories on foxnews.com this morning are about these POS FAKE EXCUSES FOR LEOS CACA Y MIERDA SHITSTAIN PUSSIES.
Do you realize how bad you have to fukc up to have Fox News say any shit whatsoever about a precious blue life????? Do you????
Do you realize how bad you have to fukc up to have Fox News say any shit whatsoever about a precious blue life????? Do you????
The DOJ is the entity that can be most effective in charging them with something. The SCOTUS ruling in Castle Rock may keep them from being sued for failure to protect. They may be able to be fired depending upon the procedure book but they were under a direct order to stage rather than advance. Investigating them for federal denial of civil rights may be the best avenue.
They know that they made the wrong decisions now that the incident is over. Why would you expect them to cooperate with the DOJ and hand the hangman the noose?
They know that they made the wrong decisions now that the incident is over. Why would you expect them to cooperate with the DOJ and hand the hangman the noose?
Most of the outrage comes from the fact, what they did rarely happens. Those responsible and involved should be fired and or charged.
Actually, it's happened three times now: Parkland, Stoneman Douglas, and Uvalde. Three times where those sworn to protect others became flaming cowards.
🤣 🤣 🤣
Come on man, let him live in his own little world devoid of facts. It's all his lead and chlorine addled brain can handle.
Unless there is another Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School that had a mass shooting incident that I can't remember, I believe that Parkland and Stoneman Douglas are the same incident.
Nah, it's way more than that.
Armed campus police do not prevent school shootings, research shows - Poynter
Multiple studies have found no association between the presence of armed officers in schools and the deterrence of violence.
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A 2021 study conducted by researchers from University at Albany and RAND examined data from U.S. schools between 2014 to 2018 to evaluate the impact of school resource officers. It found that school resource officers “do effectively reduce some forms of violence in schools, but do not prevent school shootings or gun-related incidents
Interesting article. I guess these LEOs are far more ineffective than we initially thought. I guess six months of training and barely being able to shoot their pieces (and not really practicing much with them) takes its toll. Who knows.Nah, it's way more than that.
Armed campus police do not prevent school shootings, research shows - Poynter
Multiple studies have found no association between the presence of armed officers in schools and the deterrence of violence.
A 2021 study conducted by researchers from University at Albany and RAND examined data from U.S. schools between 2014 to 2018 to evaluate the impact of school resource officers. It found that school resource officers “do effectively reduce some forms of violence in schools, but do not prevent school shootings or gun-related incidents
The SRO position was created for two reasons: (1) to provide an officer at a school in a non-antagonistic environment and (2) to make relationships with children in schools that provides intel on situation inside and out of schools. Police officers are not trained security guards and should not be put in that position. Especially when there have been years of activism tying the hands of SROs in what they can do. SROs in Central Florida get written up and possibly fired if they arrest, or even write a report on, criminal activities in schools. SROs at many schools are told to stay out of sight and not engage with students (largely encouraged by that group Ninja is so enamored with). So it’s no surprise that they aren’t very effective.
Which doesn’t excuse officers not taking action in an active shooter situation by any means. Punish their inaction to the extent of the law.
But when you have schools that aren’t built with security in mind, officers that are not extensively trained in security, and local policies that actively obstruct them from Doing their jobs, they aren’t the only variable in the equation.
Which doesn’t excuse officers not taking action in an active shooter situation by any means. Punish their inaction to the extent of the law.
But when you have schools that aren’t built with security in mind, officers that are not extensively trained in security, and local policies that actively obstruct them from Doing their jobs, they aren’t the only variable in the equation.
Geez, I coulda swore the old NRA solution for stopping bad guys with guns was with good guys with guns.
SROs should be out of sight. Kind of like a US Marshall on a plane. These lone guards front and center are sitting ducks for an ambush. Better yet, we should put a plainclothed US Marshall in every classroom. The teacher can pay their salary if they have any money left over after buying their supplies.
So what are you going to do to address the problem? Thoughts and prayers? Blind hope that it won’t keep happening?
Get with the times. Now its about doors. We need to rebuild every school in America to be a supermax style prison, with one door.
I shook my head when I first heard Ted Cruz spout such nonsense.
Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with having multiple classes of children all entering and exiting their school through the same door??!?
Fire code would never allow a single point of entry/exit like that. Damn liberals again.
You have office buildings all over America with a single point of entry monitored by a security guard who assures that only people that should be there are there. These buildings have multiple points of exit but the security guard actively monitors those doors and they send an alarm to the guard if they are held open for more than 30 seconds. That system would've quickly identified the propped open door, which would have been addressed, and would've forced Ramos to the single entry where the guard would've put the building on lockdown at first sight. It's not hard and it's not that expensive. And it's not anywhere near a supermax or whatever bullshit hyperbole that you all want to throw out there for simple safety technology and protocols.
Have you ever thought twice about how you enter a roller skating rink? I'll bet that you haven't. Almost every roller skating rink that I've been to (and it's a pretty big number) has an entryway leading to the window where they take your money and buzz you in. They do this because it's a cash business and rinks have had an inordinate number of armed robberies over the years. It's a simple and effective solution that is far better than what was there before. It's not perfect, but it's cost effective for a very low margin small business. And I've never heard anyone represent any rink with a controlled entryway as a supermax prison.
You are a couple days behind. The door wasn’t propped open. I’ve also never been buzzed in at a skating rink, but in America anything is possible.
Sooooooooooooooooooo...Americans can rest easy if all of our schools and churches and grocery stores and Walmarts...yadda, yadda, yadda create single points of entry monitored by a security guard.
Remind me, who was the poster here talking about bullshit hyperbole?
The thing is, it’s not a solution. If someone wants to kill 20 people in a short period they can. Even if you put a guard and one door at a school or at an office building. Literally every place in America can be a target. It’s cool if you can feel safe knowing that there is a security guard. I guess let’s hope that the person doing the shooting “shouldn’t have been there”. Nevermind that office building shootings are often disgruntled employees and school shootings are often done by students.
Just to investigate a point, did you go roller skating at either of the rinks closest to UCF? If so, they both have door buzzer entries. As do the the rinks in Kissimmee, Tampa, Ocala, New Port Richey, Deland, Daytona, Lantana, North Lauderdale, etc.
And now you want absolute solutions? Even total gun bans aren’t absolute solutions. So what are your goalposts?
Parkland was a non-student. Ramos was a non-student. Many others were expelled students. Oh and forcing them through a single entrance allows you to force them through a sensor that could identify the weapon. If you really care about their safety in the school, then let’s get serious.
I mean, you can’t walk into a hospital with a weapon nor a courtroom. Notice that we haven’t seen mass shootings at hospitals and courtrooms (aside from the very rare prisoner taking a gun from a deputy). They both require a walk though a metal detector and have security at the front of a minimal amount of entrances. Do we think hospitals are prisons?
Yeah guys, good thing people never get murdered at single point of entry facilities like movie theaters.
Honest question: how goddamn stupid do you have to be to suggest it's easier to turn every single school/shopping center/church/gathering place into a supermax prison (or skating rink lmao) than it is to adopt common sense gun laws like the rest of the world?
Honest question: how goddamn stupid do you have to be to suggest it's easier to turn every single school/shopping center/church/gathering place into a supermax prison (or skating rink lmao) than it is to adopt common sense gun laws like the rest of the world?
Who in the God's name is going to pay for every school in this country to have a single effing point of entry? We will leave out the fact that fire codes wouldn't permit this and whatnot. Someone come up with a number for me. Here, I will help out. 40 billion. We just sent that to the Ukraine. Use this for the sake of discussion...
We've got about 130,000 private and public schools in this country. That (checks math) is about $307,000 per school. You think that even comes remotely close to covering that nut?
This is a pipe dream. I'd rather see two Marines or Green Berets at every school (or let's create School Marshals or whatever) who know how to use their weapons and won't puss out when someone comes into a school to kill kids.
2 Marines or 19 cops? Which would you rather have?
We've got about 130,000 private and public schools in this country. That (checks math) is about $307,000 per school. You think that even comes remotely close to covering that nut?
This is a pipe dream. I'd rather see two Marines or Green Berets at every school (or let's create School Marshals or whatever) who know how to use their weapons and won't puss out when someone comes into a school to kill kids.
2 Marines or 19 cops? Which would you rather have?
I'd rather see the US get the f*ck out of the 18th century and join the rest of the civilized world, and inbred traitorous cult members like boston, BS, sk8 and goodknight go start their own backwards ass idiot colony teaching creationism and call it New Mississippi.
Your safety in public spaces isn’t ensured by having a single entry/exit point and a security guard. In fact in the case of incidents like Pulse, it’s a detriment. And yes I think there are better solutions to the problem than simply locking down every public space. Also having 100% of check and bag scans of every student entering or exiting a school isn’t going to keep you safe. It just means you will now be murdered efficiently at a grocery store or on the school bus instead.
Annnnnnnnnnd here we go again. Can't wait to hear the noise.
(CNN)Multiple people were killed in a shooting Wednesday on a hospital campus in Tulsa, Oklahoma, according to the Tulsa Fire Department.
"The suspect did shoot and kill multiple people," spokesperson Andy Little told CNN, but was unable to provide specific numbers.
www.cnn.com
(CNN)Multiple people were killed in a shooting Wednesday on a hospital campus in Tulsa, Oklahoma, according to the Tulsa Fire Department.
"The suspect did shoot and kill multiple people," spokesperson Andy Little told CNN, but was unable to provide specific numbers.
At least 4 people were killed in a Tulsa, Oklahoma, hospital campus shooting, police say | CNN
At least four people were killed Wednesday in a shooting on a hospital campus in Tulsa, Oklahoma, police said in a news conference Wednesday evening.
FūckAnnnnnnnnnnd here we go again. Can't wait to hear the noise.
(CNN)Multiple people were killed in a shooting Wednesday on a hospital campus in Tulsa, Oklahoma, according to the Tulsa Fire Department.
"The suspect did shoot and kill multiple people," spokesperson Andy Little told CNN, but was unable to provide specific numbers.
At least 4 people were killed in a Tulsa, Oklahoma, hospital campus shooting, police say | CNN
At least four people were killed Wednesday in a shooting on a hospital campus in Tulsa, Oklahoma, police said in a news conference Wednesday evening.
You almost have to admire the NRA's spin on these: it's always "too soon" to bring politics into these mass shootings when you have one every week.
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