There are plenty of data points to use over the decade ban and the 17 years since. “Could have easily been” never was, until now.
Another school shooting
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Ok, I’ll leave it at that. So besides guns, is there nothing else we can do? Nothing else to talk about?
One easy thing that most people would agree on is a federal law to raise the legal age for purchase of long guns to match that of hand guns at 21. 18 is too young. It’s one step that won’t solve every instance, but incremental steps are the only thing possible at this point.
I think there are other things we can talk about, as long as we arent excluding the guns, which is what a lot of these NRA talking points do. Most everything else isnt unique to America, yet other countries dont have this issue to nearly the degree we do. The thing that is unique to America, is the guns.
It's sure as hell a damn good start.
You still haven't told us why any Joe Blow beyond vetted law enforcement officers needs AR-15s.
Unfukcing real. That is all I can say. These idiots should be arrested for impersonating police officers.
Absolute and utter dog shit.
These 19 so called police officers should be tried and jailed, if they aren't first killed by the parents of the children murdered.
Participation Awards = Kids not taught how to cope with defeat
Video Game Counsels (imbalance) = Reset Buttons, careless decision making has no consequences
Violent Movie / Music Culture = Glorifies Violence, mistreatment of women, drugs, disrespect for authority, etc.
Extreme Violent games = Desensitized behavior / emotions.
Uber-Litigious and Sensitive Society: Anyone who observes a red flag dare not do anything which may offend someone's child.
...I'd start here.
Just my 2 cents about the video games,
People are completely dismissing this. When you are shooting everyone (children) in the face/head and telling a teacher “goodnight,” there’s definitely an element of desensitized, unemotional behavior. These 18 year-olds are not just killers, they are inhuman. Add that to everything else
The livestream video from the Buffalo shooter looked exactly like a video game.
So…, I wouldn’t dismiss that so easily
It's absolutely maddening seeing the details of the incompetence of the police officers involved. Need to clean house of each of these people and hopefully they're not given the opportunity to work in law enforcement again. Don't mess with Texas my ass.
I used to think this was utter bullshit. We used to hear similar stuff when I was growing up about cartoons. More specifically, that watching Bugs Bunny and Tom and Jerry was going to turn us all into little murderers and desensitize us into thinking that hurting people was AOK. All over freaking cartoons. Same with rap music.
Maybe these games are different. Maybe for someone who is mentally screwed up, playing these games and living out fantasies via mock shootings and the like is doing more damage than we know. I don't know. I really don't play a video game and then think about capping someone's ass or making someone's head I don't like into a moon roof. I also don't use these games as a basis to practice shooting up schools and killing innocent children.
It’s multifactorial
Violent video games + mental instability/illness = blowing kids heads off
They play these games in Japan all the time, but America is a violent country. I can’t believe that we are a more violent than some Middle Eastern countries. Not by a lot, but we are. That’s sad
Have you seen these games? Maybe, Tom and Jerry could have caused little Johnny to beat up his little brother.
However, these games now are unbelievably realistic. It probably wouldn’t make a person commit mass murder, but the methods and manner used now are nearly carbon copies
But according to the NRA, mental health problems are unique to this country.
Yeah.., but we have the most of ALL THE OTHER FACTORS involved in mass shootings. Like crazy, violent 18 year-olds that can easily get military-style weapons
If you’re talking about rifles, many European countries allow purchase and carry after a background check at 18. Some as early as 16. Of course, their cultures are much different than ours. But culture can’t be a problem, right? It must be the guns.
I came across a Rand corporation study that was pretty comprehensive for gun topics. They found little evidence that minimum age requirements had an effect on mass shootings. Or much of anything else other than suicide. Which would be a perfectly fine reason to raise the age by itself.
There’s a lot of interesting aspects to the study so clicking around would be edifying.
The Effects of Minimum Age Requirements
Analysis of the impact of minimum age requirements on gun-related outcomes in the United States
www.rand.org
They actually found that an 18 year minimum had an undetermined effect whereas a 21 year minimum had a net positive effect when controlling for “political factors”.I came across a Rand corporation study that was pretty comprehensive for gun topics. They found little evidence that minimum age requirements had an effect on mass shootings. Or much of anything else other than suicide. Which would be a perfectly fine reason to raise the age by itself.
There’s a lot of interesting aspects to the study so clicking around would be edifying.
The Effects of Minimum Age Requirements
Analysis of the impact of minimum age requirements on gun-related outcomes in the United States
“They found uncertain effects of laws setting 18 as the minimum age of purchase on the probability of a mass shooting event occurring, but they found a suggestive effect consistent with laws setting 21 as the minimum age of purchase reducing the likelihood of a mass shooting occurrence in models that included controls for political factors.”
These past 2 shootings were 18 year olds with no adult history of “red flags”. A 21 year age would at least allow 3 years as a legal adult off which to determine if “red flags” exist. It’s not perfect, but it is a step in the right direction.
Planes are used to destroy lives and buildings, they need to be eliminated.
Guns are used to destroy lives and shoot people they need to be eliminated.
Cars are used to destroy lives and run down people they need to be eliminated.
alcohol is used to destroy lives and wreck cars it needs to be eliminated.
people use all the above to destroy lives and property they need to be eliminated.
Guns are used to destroy lives and shoot people they need to be eliminated.
Cars are used to destroy lives and run down people they need to be eliminated.
alcohol is used to destroy lives and wreck cars it needs to be eliminated.
people use all the above to destroy lives and property they need to be eliminated.
You have the brain of an infant. Stop embarrassing yourself.
Like I said, I’m in favor of an older restriction for purchase. I think it’s up to the states, though, and I think that we need to be careful about possession restrictions. There are Alaskan teens whose families need them to hunt in order for survival. A federal restriction on possession would get in the way of that.
Isn’t there already a federal law of 18 and a federal law of 21 for handguns? I don’t think it has to be a state law, though that doesn’t hurt.
The best argument against democracy
-Winston Churchill, 1944
Yes. It’s on the purchase, not the possession. I was more speaking to raising it to 21 federally.
I’m ok with a 21 for purchase, not possession. Would eliminate the Alaska teen hunter predicament, right?
Show me a store in the country where you can buy a gun without a state-issued ID and maybe that cartoon would be funny.
Oh FFS, Really? Seriously? In 39 states you can buy at gun shows or online without a background check and with no proof of ID.
And don't come back at me with "it's a private sale." Please save yourself the time.
I'm still LMAO at the cartoon.
Check out this steaming vadge. Runs off like a little child because he can't answer the question:
Lmao at you thinking facts will change the mind of that inbred traitorous cult member you are "debating" with.
