Bernie Sanders will legalize marijuana as president.

[fried-chicken]

Where has Trump been on this?

Bernie giving everyone the ability to have their kidneys checked out if they are pissing blood = taking away our freedom.

Trump has had 3 years to make growing your own plant and then smoking it legal but hasn't done shit with it = giving us freedom.

Shouldn't this be the pinnacle of individual freedom: an activity harmless to all around you, that shows limited, if any, long term impacts but if you do it you go to jail.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Trump is anti-weed.

 

[Crazyhole]

Where has Trump been on this?

Bernie giving everyone the ability to have their kidneys checked out if they are pissing blood = taking away our freedom.

Trump has had 3 years to make growing your own plant and then smoking it legal but hasn't done shit with it = giving us freedom.

Shouldn't this be the pinnacle of individual freedom: an activity harmless to all around you, that shows limited, if any, long term impacts but if you do it you go to jail.

Has he re-criminalized it? I thought this was settled on a federal position already, it was individual states that were dragging their feet.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Has he re-criminalized it? I thought this was settled on a federal position already, it was individual states that were dragging their feet.

Jeff Sessions wanted it re-criminalized. That's where we are today.

 

[Crazyhole]

Jeff Sessions wanted it re-criminalized. That's where we are today.

I know Sessions wanted it but I dont remember trump saying pretty much anything about it.

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

We don't need to criminalize it. Way too expensive to lock someone up for an extended time for something that is a personal choice. Worst case on drug cases is just create a fine and be done.

 

[UCFWayne]

decriminalize it at the national level. let the states decide for themselves. id like to see it like tabacco, heavily taxed. if cartels want to import it, bring it in legally, but make sure they arent lacing it with other dangerous things like fentanyl

 

[UCFKnight85]

LOL

The spin attempt is on

“Hey everyone! Please ignore the fact that Bernie is a communist loving socialist who would wreck our economy and cripple what made America great, focus on weed instead!”

 

[firm_bizzle]

LOL

The spin attempt is on

“Hey everyone! Please ignore the fact that Bernie is a communist loving socialist who would wreck our economy and cripple what made America great, focus on weed instead!”

This is being discussed in 2 other threads but why not add a third, right?

 

[hemightbejeremy]

LOL

The spin attempt is on

Thanks for the warning. Saved me from having to read the next paragraph.

 

[NinjaKnight]

LOL

The spin attempt is on

“Hey everyone! Please ignore the fact that Bernie is a communist loving socialist who would wreck our economy and cripple what made America great, focus on weed instead!”

Jesus Christ you have issues

Try to keep on topic.

Bernie will legalize it and Mexico will pay for it.

 

[Crazyhole]

decriminalize it at the national level. let the states decide for themselves. id like to see it like tabacco, heavily taxed. if cartels want to import it, bring it in legally, but make sure they arent lacing it with other dangerous things like fentanyl

I'm pretty sure it's already decriminalized. The only further step the federal govt could take is to take the banking restrictions off of businesses who sell it, if they havent done so already.

 

[Cubs79]

I'm pretty sure it's already decriminalized. The only further step the federal govt could take is to take the banking restrictions off of businesses who sell it, if they havent done so already.

It isn't decriminalized, the feds just don't really pursue it anymore in states that have legalized it. That could of course change at any time though. The House did pass a bill decriminalizing it federally, but I believe it is just sitting at the senate who doesn't seem to do much these days.

 

[Crazyhole]

It isn't decriminalized, the feds just don't really pursue it anymore in states that have legalized it. That could of course change at any time though. The House did pass a bill decriminalizing it federally, but I believe it is just sitting at the senate who doesn't seem to do much these days.

Not to split hairs, but what is the difference between decriminalizing it and just not pursuing criminal charges? I thought that's what the term means

 

[goodknightfl]

It will be much easier to control the masses after you get them all stoned.

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

It will be much easier to control the masses after you get them all stoned.

Lol...they will be too stoned to worry they are losing personal freedoms and all their money. Plus being on government cheese gives you free time to smoke.

 

[Cubs79]

Not to split hairs, but what is the difference between decriminalizing it and just not pursuing criminal charges? I thought that's what the term means

They could choose to pursue it at anytime if they wanted to. If it was decriminalized, then they wouldn't legally be able to pursue charges. Basically, the way it is now it is almost just dependent on whether or not the attorney general feels like it is worth going after or not.

 

[Crazyhole]

They could choose to pursue it at anytime if they wanted to. If it was decriminalized, then they wouldn't legally be able to pursue charges. Basically, the way it is now it is almost just dependent on whether or not the attorney general feels like it is worth going after or not.

That sounds like legalization, which I'm ok with but with the supremacy clause wouldn't that mean that all states would have to legalize it as well? I can't really think of any issues like this where the federal govt went from illegal to legal and how it affects the states.

 

[Cubs79]

That sounds like legalization, which I'm ok with but with the supremacy clause wouldn't that mean that all states would have to legalize it as well? I can't really think of any issues like this where the federal govt went from illegal to legal and how it affects the states.

It isn't legal federally so no the supremacy clause doesn't apply. Not pursuing it and being legal are not the same thing. Look at it this way, a cop might not always give you a ticket for going a few miles over the speed limit, but he technically has the right to if he wanted to, because going over the speed limit even by just a few MPH technically isn't legal.

 

[Crazyhole]

It isn't legal federally so no the supremacy clause doesn't apply. Not pursuing it and being legal are not the same thing. Look at it this way, a cop might not always give you a ticket for going a few miles over the speed limit, but he technically has the right to if he wanted to, because going over the speed limit even by just a few MPH technically isn't legal.

I understand that. I'm asking what would happen if we legalized it, not just decriminalize it. And what is the difference between what we do now and decriminalization.

 

[Cubs79]

I understand that. I'm asking what would happen if we legalized it, not just decriminalize it. And what is the difference between what we do now and decriminalization.

If we legalized then the supremacy clause probably would take hold, but I dont think the Feds will actually legalize, just decriminalize it, which would still leave it up to the states. So it wouldnt change much as of now, but again, if an attorney general wanted the DEA to pursue this then as of now they could, if it were decriminalized they could not. Chris Christie in the 2016 campaign actually said he would ask his AG to pursue it if he were elected. I dont think he necessarily had an issue with it, but he thought it either needed to be decriminalized or not, and I think he was coming from it more to make congress act one way or the other. So as of now, a president and AG could technically shut it down.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Marijuana is a gateway to obesity and heroin.

 

[Crazyhole]

If we legalized then the supremacy clause probably would take hold, but I dont think the Feds will actually legalize, just decriminalize it, which would still leave it up to the states. So it wouldnt change much as of now, but again, if an attorney general wanted the DEA to pursue this then as of now they could, if it were decriminalized they could not. Chris Christie in the 2016 campaign actually said he would ask his AG to pursue it if he were elected. I dont think he necessarily had an issue with it, but he thought it either needed to be decriminalized or not, and I think he was coming from it more to make congress act one way or the other. So as of now, a president and AG could technically shut it down.

I guess I dont understand the semantics between official decriminalization and legalization. If we officially say that it's not a crime, then its legal.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Sanders Presidency:

weed, firing squads, and bread lines

 

[KNIGHTTIME^]

Sanders Presidency:

weed, firing squads, and bread lines

Very strange campaign slogan. Make America Cuba was option #2.

 

[Cubs79]

I guess I dont understand the semantics between official decriminalization and legalization. If we officially say that it's not a crime, then its legal.

Not necessarily true. Speeding isn't a crime, but it is a civil infraction so it isn't legal and you can still be fined for it, but you wont be considered a felon. There is a difference in decriminalization and legalization. If the Feds decriminalized pot it would essentially just leave it up to the states, similar to what we have now, but again, as of now Feds still do have authority to shut it down and actually charge people with federal crimes if they wanted to. If it were decriminalized or legalized they would not have that authority.

 

[Crazyhole]

Not necessarily true. Speeding isn't a crime, but it is a civil infraction so it isn't legal and you can still be fined for it, but you wont be considered a felon. There is a difference in decriminalization and legalization. If the Feds decriminalized pot it would essentially just leave it up to the states, similar to what we have now, but again, the Feds still do have authority to shut it down if they wanted to.

I get what you're saying, but speeding was never criminalized on a federal level like marijuana was. If they reverse course, be it official decriminalization or legalization doesnt that set a precedent and the supremacy clause would kick in?

 

[fried-chicken]

Sanders Presidency:

weed, firing squads, and bread lines

Insane statements like this make it easier to dismiss legitimate attacks on Sanders. Keep it up you're helping.

 

[Cubs79]

I get what you're saying, but speeding was never criminalized on a federal level like marijuana was. If they reverse course, be it official decriminalization or legalization doesnt that set a precedent and the supremacy clause would kick in?

No, it would only kick in for legalization. Legally speaking, decriminalization and legalization are not the same thing. I am unsure what precedent you are talking about.

 

[_glaciers]

can handle the rigors of the immense pressure of running the world's most powerful country and thus being in constant spotlight for 4 years

has a heart attack while campaigning and cowers at a cell phone camera

 

[UCFKnight85]

Insane statements like this make it easier to dismiss legitimate attacks on Sanders. Keep it up you're helping.

That's a legit attack. The fact you don't know this or choose not to accept it are evidence that you're already spinning this disaster of a candidate in your head.

He has praised breadlines. Breadlines. Almost the pinnacle symbol of the failures of communism and socialism. He said they were a good thing. This is literally what he said about people having to stand in massive lines for scraps of bread because their country lacked basic other foods to eat:

“It’s funny sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is because people are lining up for food. That’s a good thing,”

“In other countries, people don’t line up for food, rich people get the food and poor people starve to death.”

He didn't praise firing squads but he praised the adjacent outcome. People in Cuba could read following Castro taking over! Sure he killed or imprisoned thousands of his own people during that same exact time period, but.....books and stuff! This Castro guy is OK!

 

[hemightbejeremy]

That's a legit attack. The fact you don't know this or choose not to accept it are evidence that you're already spinning this disaster of a candidate in your head.

He has praised breadlines. Breadlines. Almost the pinnacle symbol of the failures of communism and socialism. He said they were a good thing. This is literally what he said about people having to stand in massive lines for scraps of bread because their country lacked basic other foods to eat:

“It’s funny sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is because people are lining up for food. That’s a good thing,”

“In other countries, people don’t line up for food, rich people get the food and poor people starve to death.”

He didn't praise firing squads but he praised the adjacent outcome. People in Cuba could read following Castro taking over! Sure he killed or imprisoned thousands of his own people during that same exact time period, but.....books and stuff! This Castro guy is OK!

You must be fried at the end of each day from all the mental gymnastics.

 

[UCFKnight85]

You must be fried at the end of each day from all the mental gymnastics.

You’re the one going to bat for a communist who praised bread lines

Tell me more about mental gymnastics

 

[UCFWayne]

Marijuana is a gateway to obesity and heroin.

dont forget tattoos which lead to jail

 

[btbones]

dont forget tattoos which lead to jail

And cigarettes which go hand in have with those two

 

[Cubs79]

That's a legit attack. The fact you don't know this or choose not to accept it are evidence that you're already spinning this disaster of a candidate in your head.

He has praised breadlines. Breadlines. Almost the pinnacle symbol of the failures of communism and socialism. He said they were a good thing. This is literally what he said about people having to stand in massive lines for scraps of bread because their country lacked basic other foods to eat:

“It’s funny sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is because people are lining up for food. That’s a good thing,”

“In other countries, people don’t line up for food, rich people get the food and poor people starve to death.”

He didn't praise firing squads but he praised the adjacent outcome. People in Cuba could read following Castro taking over! Sure he killed or imprisoned thousands of his own people during that same exact time period, but.....books and stuff! This Castro guy is OK!

This is a vast oversimplification of Russian breadlines. First off, breadlines had little to nothing to do with communism. We had breadlines in this country during the depression, and it certainly wasn't due to communism. Breadlines had to do with food shortages and rationing, and in fact, lack of food is one of the reasons the Bolshevik revolution happened in the first place, which is how communism started in Russia. The point being, that food shortages in Russia existed before the USSR existed, and much of that is due to the climate, not the politics. Only about 10% of Russia land is good for growing crops. Other parts of the USSR were better, but still not enough to where shortages weren't an issue. You can probably argue some of it were due to the politics, but again, it also pre-dated communism and they also occurred for a while in the US as well, so associating breadlines strictly with communism simply isn't accurate.

 

[Knight In TN]

Where has Trump been on this?

Bernie giving everyone the ability to have their kidneys checked out if they are pissing blood = taking away our freedom.

Trump has had 3 years to make growing your own plant and then smoking it legal but hasn't done shit with it = giving us freedom.

Shouldn't this be the pinnacle of individual freedom: an activity harmless to all around you, that shows limited, if any, long term impacts but if you do it you go to jail.

Where do you stand on these comments?

“We're going to provide help to the African-American, Latino, Native American community to start businesses to sell legal marijuana rather than let a few corporations control the legalized marijuana market.”

I'm for legalization, but the federal government actively engaging in favoring businesses on the basis of race seems like a dangerous road to go down.

 

[fried-chicken]

Where do you stand on these comments?

“We're going to provide help to the African-American, Latino, Native American community to start businesses to sell legal marijuana rather than let a few corporations control the legalized marijuana market.”

I'm for legalization, but the federal government actively engaging in favoring businesses on the basis of race seems like a dangerous road to go down.

Communities harmed most by war on weed should benefit most from legal weed and not just let a few rich people immediately pump money into monopolizing that industry.

 

[Knight In TN]

Communities harmed most by war on weed should benefit most from legal weed and not just let a few rich people immediately pump money into monopolizing that industry.

So you’re in favor of the government choosing winners and losers in business?

 

[fried-chicken]

So you’re in favor of the government choosing winners and losers in business?

I'm in favor of government reversing harm that it has done.