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FDA issues vaccine warning

Just had an employee get COVID on her 2 week vacation. Not vaccinated. Now I’m short for 3 weeks as she can’t come back to work. She has 3 kids and is out of sick time. Everyone suffers. Me, other staff, customers and her family

She’s a dumbass
The hardest thing about management is accepting that people make mistakes. On the bright side, now's your chance to play the guilt card and shame her into conformance.
 
The hardest thing about management is accepting that people make mistakes. On the bright side, now's your chance to play the guilt card and shame her into conformance.
Mistake? I would hardly call it that

I’ll get her back in my own subtle way. Lol Doubt that she will conform even now.

Unfortunately, I can’t act in the workplace like I do with @UCFBS and @Crazyhole
That totally sucks
 
Just had an employee get COVID on her 2 week vacation. Not vaccinated. Now I’m short for 3 weeks as she can’t come back to work. She has 3 kids and is out of sick time. Everyone suffers. Me, other staff, customers and her family

She’s a dumbass
At least, statistically, she'll very likely have 2 years of immunity as a result.
 
They are saying your immunity could last 10+ years.


Not even sure what that means. You're "potentially" taking a risk of a new technology vaccine advertised as 95% effective that now is 65% effective or less.

Who is saying this consistently? @UCFBS is saying 2 and you are saying 10. That tells me that it’s unknown since it’s been infecting Americans only since 2/2020. That doesn’t even include variants. Do they all provide 10 year immunity?
 
Not even sure what that means. You're "potentially" taking a risk of a new technology vaccine advertised as 95% effective that now is 65% effective or less.
It’s not “new” technology. Have you not read the last 100 pages of threads? Get the Moderna one then.


Is it a done deal that Pfizer is 65% effective?? Oh well.... time for a new vaccine that the anti-vaxxers won’t get anyway. #Darwinism
 
They are saying your immunity could last 10+ years.
For some, I'm sure, maybe even 1-2 sigma. But median looks like 2 years, projecting loss of T-cells and antibodies. It's all subject to change.
They've based the estimated length of mRNA effective coverage on that median, and halved it to reflect an estimated 3 sigma of people. Hence 1 year between boosters. But, again, it's all subject to change.

And we don't know what Adenovirus types, like J&J Ad26, advisements are. Even though Pharma is banned from advertising against each other, there are a lot of people pushing mRNA as a booster for the J&J. Dr. Fauci weighed on that recently and told people who received the J&J Ad26 type to 'hold off.' Frankly, I wouldn't want to mix, because the Ad types are also producing the same spike proteins.

Given my very, very intense immune responses over weeks 3-5, I feel confident about how well the Ad26 viral vector worked to 'program' me to build spike proteins and anti-bodies, as well as the fact that the Ad types seem to be excellent at T-cell creation.
I.e., Ad types look like they fight all variants well thanks to T-cell production, around 60%. Whether that's better or worse than mRNA against specific variants, is yet to be seen.

Case-in-point ...
Turns out the Pfizer vaccine isn't quite as effective as they hoped.
Well, Wuhan-1 was clinically shown, when pure, to be 98-99% serious disease, and 95-96% any disease, with the two (2) mRNA, Pfizer and Moderna.

But dropping to 64% sounds like it's more about the T-cell production, much like the Ad type vaccines in AstraZeneca and J&J that are estimated to be 60%+ against variants. I like the J&J because it's a single shot, and I responded very well to the Ad26 vector. The AZ was a double-shot.

At least the Delta (B.1.617.2) isn't killing nearly as much as even the early Alpha (B.1.1.7) That's the Gamma (P.1), of which both mRNA and Ad types are far more effective against, although not as good as the original Wuhan-1.

Not even sure what that means. You're "potentially" taking a risk of a new technology vaccine advertised as 95% effective that now is 65% effective or less.
And people understand the 98-99%, 95-96% and 45-82% numbers for serious disease, any Wuhan-1 disease, and any variant disease has nothing to do with eliminating the spread/transmission.

The latest studies are showcasing how there is no reduction beyond like being asymptomatic with mRNA, which is only a 66% reduction. In fact, it's only been shown to be 40-50% reduction, but that was with only 7% being 21 days past the 2nd jab with mRNA.

Hopefully by 2023 we'll have the Live Attenuated Virus vaccine option with far better results and longer-term efficacy.
 
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For some, I'm sure, maybe even 1-2 sigma. But median looks like 2 years, projecting loss of T-cells and antibodies. It's all subject to change.
They've based the estimated length of mRNA effective coverage on that median, and halved it to reflect an estimated 3 sigma of people. Hence 1 year between boosters. But, again, it's all subject to change.

And we don't know what Adenovirus types, like J&J Ad26, advisements are. Even though Pharma is banned from advertising against each other, there are a lot of people pushing mRNA as a booster for the J&J. Dr. Fauci weighed on that recently and told people who received the J&J Ad26 type to 'hold off.' Frankly, I wouldn't want to mix, because the Ad types are also producing the same spike proteins.

Given my very, very intense immune responses over weeks 3-5, I feel confident about how well the Ad26 viral vector worked to 'program' me to build spike proteins and anti-bodies, as well as the fact that the Ad types seem to be excellent at T-cell creation.
I.e., Ad types look like they fight all variants well thanks to T-cell production, around 60%. Whether that's better or worse than mRNA against specific variants, is yet to be seen.

Case-in-point ...
Well, Wuhan-1 was clinically shown, when pure, to be 98-99% serious disease, and 95-96% any disease, with the two (2) mRNA, Pfizer and Moderna.

But dropping to 64% sounds like it's more about the T-cell production, much like the Ad type vaccines in AstraZeneca and J&J that are estimated to be 60%+ against variants. I like the J&J because it's a single shot, and I responded very well to the Ad26 vector. The AZ was a double-shot.

At least the Delta (B.1.617.2) isn't killing nearly as much as even the early Alpha (B.1.1.7) That's the Gamma (P.1), of which both mRNA and Ad types are far more effective against, although not as good as the original Wuhan-1.

And people understand the 98-99%, 95-96% and 45-82% numbers for serious disease, any Wuhan-1 disease, and any variant disease has nothing to do with eliminating the spread/transmission.

The latest studies are showcasing how there is no reduction beyond like being asymptomatic with mRNA, which is only a 66% reduction. In fact, it's only been shown to be 40-50% reduction, but that was with only 7% being 21 days past the 2nd jab with mRNA.

Hopefully by 2023 we'll have the Live Attenuated Virus vaccine option with far better results and longer-term efficacy.
None of this is in bold, red, or red bold. What part is important?
 
Fortunately, all the studies so far agree that most Covid-19 vaccines are very effective at keeping people out of the hospital and have generally protected against the Delta variant. Israel’s Ministry of Health estimated that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is about 93 percent effective in preventing serious illness and hospitalization.




Once again, some of you morons are posting 64% effectiveness without even reading the article. What a shocker
 


Well, this is awkward.
Remember, Pfizer is NOT considered a 'major player' in the vaccine realm, even though they are known in select, OTHER Pharma markets. As I said before, the 'blank cheque' on 0 liability from the US FDA changed everything. The ESTABLISHED players went more traditional routes which take longer, or... didn't bother. Vaccines are almost always a LOSING investment in the US.



[FT 2021-Feb] Financial Times
Why the three biggest vaccine makers failed on Covid-19
GlaxoSmithKline, Merck and Sanofi are left playing catch-up to upstarts with new technology



This and other articles in my related thread. People really should understand that the rest of the world, NOT the US, makes nearly all our vaccines typically. We had vaccine shortages in the US by 2001.

 
But, but, we shouldn’t worry about what other people do and kids shouldn’t get vaccinated.

Vaccinated people don't have much to worry about, said Ranney, an emergency physician at Rhode Island Hospital and an associate professor at Brown University.

But she offered an unsettling insight on the current surge of cases.

"What worries me more are the variants yet to come. And every time this virus is passed from one person to another, it has a chance to mutate. And it's only a matter of time until we have a variant against which the vaccines no longer protect us," she explained.
 
I guess @UCFBS doughboy missed the latest Google conspiracy theory article about viruses mutating

Oh wait...., there isn’t any
 
But, but, we shouldn’t worry about what other people do and kids shouldn’t get vaccinated.

Vaccinated people don't have much to worry about, said Ranney, an emergency physician at Rhode Island Hospital and an associate professor at Brown University.

But she offered an unsettling insight on the current surge of cases.

"What worries me more are the variants yet to come. And every time this virus is passed from one person to another, it has a chance to mutate. And it's only a matter of time until we have a variant against which the vaccines no longer protect us," she explained.
Do you get vaccinated for the common cold?
 
Do you get vaccinated for the common cold?
Actually, getting those Coronaviruses do provide a measure of innoculation against SARS-CoV-2, as I reported earlier last year. I, myself, had a common Korean variant.

 
Actually, getting those Coronaviruses do provide a measure of innoculation against SARS-CoV-2, as I reported earlier last year. I, myself, had a common Korean variant.

You must be talking about Korean barbecue.

If there was an Apple Fritter variant you would have it daily and twice on Sunday’s
 

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Lol. You guys are funny.

We have vaccine resistant strains floating around now and no booster shot to fight it. Biden needs to get on the phone with Pfizer and see how long it's going to take.
 
Lol. You guys are funny.

We have vaccine resistant strains floating around now and no booster shot to fight it. Biden needs to get on the phone with Pfizer and see how long it's going to take.
We will either get a booster shot or a new vaccine. I believe in science. I can’t wait for the opportunity for you not to get it. The world is going to be a wonderful place without people driving down a one way street, feeding bears, etc

#Darwinism
 
Because of the dumbshit unvaccinated ruining it for everyone else. Additionally, since you don’t understand herd immunity and mutations, you will never get it
We are already at herd immunity. The numbers bear that out.

And I don't worry about the mutations. They are getting less and less deadly.
 
We are already at herd immunity. The numbers bear that out.

And I don't worry about the mutations. They are getting less and less deadly.
we aren’t at herd immunity. Mutations are only less deadly until they aren’t. Have you ever taken a science class?
 
we aren’t at herd immunity. Mutations are only less deadly until they aren’t. Have you ever taken a science class?
OK mister science guy, how many people have to be vaccinated or naturally infected before we reach herd immunity?

I know you won't answer.
 
OK mister science guy, how many people have to be vaccinated or naturally infected before we reach herd immunity?

I know you won't answer.
So.. what’s your science background? Killing 🐜 with a magnifying glass?
 
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