I’ve done exactly the same thing. I would love to see a live debate. He would be embarrassed. It’s scary that he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know and he doesn’t see it
FDA issues vaccine warning
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Just search "The Glenn Beck Program". Robert Malone was on last Friday for a half hour, and then again Monday and yesterday for an hour. I don't know if the "best of" shorter clips cover everything he talked about, but they have the full shows on there as well. I can look up the time stamps if you want. He's a pretty interesting interview.
I’ll probably listen to all of this stuff during roadtrips this weekend while driving for a few hours
I look at it this way: a company that has never brought a product to market somehow created a "vaccine" for a type of virus we have never had one for, using technology that has never received approval for, and did it in 3 months when generally it takes more than 4 years. It may be fine, but it isn't unreasonable to be cautious and a little bit skeptical about this whole deal.
That’s not the only criteria to get vaccines approved. Otherwise every vaccine would take 20 years. Can’t have a pandemic for that long, right?
This is the right equation. The data isn’t fully in and won’t be for awhile but this is the trade off that policy makers should be looking at.
The vaccine is certainly the primary factor behind the Covid positive numbers decreasing. It’s not the only factor though. With so many places closing their drive-up and mobile testing centers, the number of tests performed has dropped off sharply as well. Asymptomatic and mildly symptomatic carriers are not being tested at anywhere near the rates that they were before. That will have an effect on the overall numbers as well.
It is interesting that you’re seeing larger than expected numbers of positives in small groups of people that are being universally tested, such as sports teams. It should make you at least wonder about the effectiveness against infection.
The good news is the vaccines have consistently shown to be a very effective hedge against the conditions causing hospitalizations. That, IMO, is the strongest selling point and the reason that I got the Pfizer shots.
I put this on a different response because I dispute that the equation is the same for ANY age group. The Covid effects are pretty benign overall against younger children and the vaccines seem to affect them more and differently. The jury is still out.
The one dude is a libertarian. And don’t you forget it.
You’re right, for my age group and condition, it made sense. For unvaccinated children under 8, they are actually at higher risk from influenza than they are from COVID. So the risk of the vaccines weighs heavier on that side of the equation. The good news is that you can make your own decision and I will as well.
^^^^^^ This gem from the same poster who spent most of 2020 telling us COVID-19 was 'just the sniffles.'
Dude falls over himself making up excuses not to take it. These people really have tenuous if not facile reasoning to veil their anti-vaxxer nonsense, led by the king chud idiot of them all in ucfbs.^^^^^^ This gem from the same poster who spent most of 2020 telling us COVID-19 was 'just the sniffles.'
I still strongly believe both the mRNA and Ad type vaccines have proven to be very effective against illness from SARS-CoV-2 in those aged 45+.
And there is a good argument for 25+, Ad type for men, mRNA for women, from what we know from immediate and short-term risks for complications.
But given we have no tests for known complications, and we won't know long-term effects for years, I don't know about those under 25, let alone 18, or 12 for that matter.
The Israelis are now pointing to immediate complications that hospitalize for 2+ weeks on the 2nd mRNA type vaccines (no similar statistics on AD types) more than SARS-CoV-2 itself does, for men aged 18-24. Hence why they are consider warning against more than 1 mRNA jab for those under 25, and may legally limit it to only 1 jab for those under 18.
As always, we'll see. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just sharing info that is factual. I've been right about reducing the spread being no better than asymptomatic, as well as the fact that effective immunity has not been achieved with 50-70% vaccinated pre-approval.
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The 'Then its gone' is the most 100% BS statement you've made yet. And some of you guys call me an idiot?! Geez, actually read up!!!
Also learn how Adenovirus types work versus mRNA as well while you're at it! Geez, at least I'm only asserting what is known and factual! You're literally spreading the ultimate BS that just is not true!
'Then it's gone'?!?!? Wow! just wow!
It’s a protein that dissipates quickly in the body you fat dipshit. Read up on it and ask the experts. It doesn’t enter the nucleus of cells. It probably gets excreted along with your shit for brains
Stick with your day job which is the unemployment line
Malone said there are some concerns about the mRNA types for women that may still get pregnant. It may affect a woman's ovaries, but don't know to what extent yet.
They do not affect or interact with our DNA in any way.
- mRNA never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA (genetic material) is kept.
- The cell breaks down and gets rid of the mRNA soon after it is finished using the instructions.
That’s a lot of “maybes”. Can I see the study? What’s the mechanism of action?
Did you get vaccinated?
Impacts to offspring of pregnant or future pregnant women are always unknown.
Even many FDA approved vaccines increase the statistics of complications or negative conditions, but are rare enough they are considered worth the risks.
The key is that they are approved and have been studied for decades.
We didn't even have children's and pregnant trials until recently, and they were only with a few thousand. And the pregnant or shortly pregnant after Healthcare worker studies of those vaccinated early with mRNA only showed a 2x miscarriage rate against typical Healthcare (which is half the nominal), which really isn't much or unheard of with select vaccines.
Heck, the smallpox vaccine causes a lot of inflated issues too.
mRNA vaccines don’t effect the DNA. That’s why pregnant women are getting them. I’ll listen to obstetricians not the Goodyear Blimp
They do not affect or interact with our DNA in any way.
- mRNA never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA (genetic material) is kept.
- The cell breaks down and gets rid of the mRNA soon after it is finished using the instructions.
COVID-19 vaccines don’t affect ovaries or fertility in general; the vaccines are highly effective at preventing illness and death
Real-world evidence shows that the COVID-19 RNA vaccines are highly effective at preventing illness and death. There is evidence indicating that spike protein during infection can lead to damage, but this isn’t representative of the situation in vaccination. The level of spike protein generated...
Here's an article that "debunks" the theory, but provides distribution charts that prove that the spike proteins are being found all over the body. I would imagine the concern they have with the ovaries is that those eggs are all the woman is ever gonna get. If the spike protein occurs there it could make the immune system attack them.
It's a month old, but it's been utterly suppressed by the US Media.
As always, the problem is that you -- like the US Media -- want to play with statistics, and want to 'dilute' the statistics using 'everyone,' instead of using statistics. The US CDC said 1 in 1M, then revised to 12 in 1M and now further revised to 1 in 50K (20 in 1M) ... overall.
The Israel's -- in late May -- already admitted it's 1 in 3,000 to at least 6,000 in men aged 16-24 by the 2nd shot requiring a multi-week stay in the hospital, even if they are usually discharged in over 90% of cases within a few weeks. Enlarged hearts are enlarged hearts, and can be long-term, even if stabilized.
Do you even understand how it feels for them? To be incapacitated for days if not weeks?! The US Media has downplayed this, and even the US FDA had to 'force the hand' of the US CDC to actually get doctors and ERs to report it. It's even worse here in the US because we discharge kids way too quickly, unlike the Israelis.
That's why the Israeli's are considering only giving the single, lower dosage to kids until they know more. Because the rate of hospitalization from the 2nd jab of mRNA is higher than hospitalization from SARS-CoV-2 itself for men aged 18-24. They are now reversing their initial reviews from April-May, because even 1 in 6,000 is 25x higher than nominal for the age group.
Remember, Israel may be over 80% of people 30+ being vaccinated, one of the highest in the world, but their youth vaccination rate was under 2% through May. The US Media has been critical of their 'going slow' with kids. Again, it could be nothing ... or we could be setting up a significant amount of our youth for long-term impacts.
Our society really needs to consider how much kids are getting ill from this, which is negligible, and wait to know more, accordingly.
Science | AAAS
There are rumors that mRNA vaccines will alter our DNA because the RNA molecule can convert information stored in DNA into proteins. That’s simply, not true. It’s critical to note that the mRNA vaccines never enter the nucleus of the cell, where our DNA is stored. After injection, the mRNA from the vaccine is released into the cytoplasm of the cells. Once the viral protein is made and on the surface of the cell, mRNA is broken down and the body permanently gets rid of it, therefore making it impossible to change our DNA.
TL;DR. No facts. Just conspiracy theoriesIt's a month old, but it's been utterly suppressed by the US Media.
As always, the problem is that you -- like the US Media -- want to play with statistics, and want to 'dilute' the statistics using 'everyone,' instead of using statistics. The US CDC said 1 in 1M, then revised to 12 in 1M and now further revised to 1 in 50K (20 in 1M) ... overall.
The Israel's -- in late May -- already admitted it's 1 in 3,000 to at least 6,000 in men aged 16-24 by the 2nd shot requiring a multi-week stay in the hospital, even if they are usually discharged in over 90% of cases within a few weeks. Enlarged hearts are enlarged hearts, and can be long-term, even if stabilized. Do you even understand how it feels for them? To be incapacitated for days if not weeks?!
That's why they are considering only giving the single, lower dosage to kids until they know more. Because the rate of hospitalization from the 2nd jab of mRNA is higher than hospitalization from SARS-CoV-2 itself for men aged 18-24.
Remember, Israel may be over 80% of people 30+ being vaccinated, one of the highest in the world, but their youth vaccination rate was under 2% through May. The US Media has been critical of their 'going slow' with kids.
Again, it could be nothing ... or we could be setting up a significant amount of our youth for long-term impacts. Our society really needs to consider how much kids are getting ill from this, which is negligible, and wait to know more, accordingly.
Science | AAAS
www.sciencemag.org
Emphasized this. I’ll listen to people who deal
with this for a living over someone who has no control over what goes into his mouth and breaks scales.
Dude, you need to read what I actually said. I never said any of this. You keep arguing with me like I'm an anti-vaxxer, when I'm not.
That's how it works, yes. But that's cell per spike protein produced. Did you not understand that? The question is ... how long does the body continue to produce the spike proteins? How long before it 'forgets' the mRNA needed? I mean ...
Did you miss the whole reason why we've been discussing booster v. no booster, duration and other things? Pfizer, Moderna, et al. are also trying to develop tests to figure out when someone needs a booster. Why?
How long does it take the body before it removes most of the spike proteins and forgets how to produce them, or at least enough of them? It's never fully removed, but it does reach a point where its ineffective.
Is it 6 months? A year? 2 years? And how do we test if it's 'sticking around'?
A complicating factor here is that vaccines are low-margins, which is why no one in Big Pharma wanted to touch a SARS-CoV-2 vaccines. That's why the first attempts were with mRNA, because it's cake and cheap to produce, compared to other vaccines.
And with the US FDA granting blanket immunity, 0 fiscal liability meant they would move forward with mRNA.
Everyone needs to stop thinking this is a 'proven delivery mechanism.' It's a new, cheap'n easy one. Vaccines are low-margin, and most have gotten out of the business. mRNA may change that long-term. But we just don't know.
It could be the greatest thing and 'take over.' We just don't know. But it's hardly 'proven.'
First off, why do you not just 'hate' so much, but 'spite' so much? That really reflects negatively on you, not me. I've only directly insulted you once during this whole thing, while pointing out your continual BS. But that said ...
I had an extremely excellent immune response to the J&J Ad26 type, including over 2 weeks (during weeks 3-5) of pink eye-type response (even though I didn't get pink eye inflammation or membrane damage).
And it's 72% against any illness, 95% against serious illness, with the Ad26. I had none of the problems most people have with mRNA. Against the Delta variant, it seems the Ad types are building T-cells that fight it just as well.
It's hard to tell because the J&J Ad26 isn't used much outside the US, unlike the Astrazeneca which uses a different Ad attack vector.
I’m not reading anything from you that isn’t in red or red bold
Who are you 'arguing' with? Surely not me!
And it's not my fault you don't understand how the body reacts and works, and how the mRNA type vaccines work.
I have never talked about those 'rumors' you speak of. I just pointed out 'Then it's gone' is utterly BS.
You really need to stop and understand what the long-term concerns are, the actual ones being argued, not the anti-vaxxer BS.
You think I'm an idiot because you keep attributing anti-vaxxer BS to me, when I have never used such.
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