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FDA issues vaccine warning

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Ummm ... 1 in 3-6,000 being hospitalized isn't fact?!
I don't know what to say at this point.

You guys did the same thing when I said only around 300 kids have died.
After I shared the CDC link, you said similarly.

At some point ... I really don't know what to say.
But I'm not going to 'hate' you, much less 'spite' you.

And I really don't want to keep having these 'I told you so' moments.
I honestly hope I'm dead wrong about the risk of complications at this point.
 
Dude, you need to read what I actually said. I never said any of this. You keep arguing with me like I'm an anti-vaxxer, when I'm not.


That's how it works, yes. But that's cell per spike protein produced. Did you not understand that? The question is ... how long does the body continue to produce the spike proteins? How long before it 'forgets' the mRNA needed? I mean ...

Did you miss the whole reason why we've been discussing booster v. no booster, duration and other things? Pfizer, Moderna, et al. are also trying to develop tests to figure out when someone needs a booster. Why?

How long does it take the body before it removes most of the spike proteins and forgets how to produce them, or at least enough of them? It's never fully removed, but it does reach a point where its ineffective.

Is it 6 months? A year? 2 years? And how do we test if it's 'sticking around'?

A complicating factor here is that vaccines are low-margins, which is why no one in Big Pharma wanted to touch a SARS-CoV-2 vaccines. That's why the first attempts were with mRNA, because it's cake and cheap to produce, compared to other vaccines.

And with the US FDA granting blanket immunity, 0 fiscal liability meant they would move forward with mRNA.

Everyone needs to stop thinking this is a 'proven delivery mechanism.' It's a new, cheap'n easy one. Vaccines are low-margin, and most have gotten out of the business. mRNA may change that long-term. But we just don't know.

It could be the greatest thing and 'take over.' We just don't know. But it's hardly 'proven.'



First off, why do you not just 'hate' so much, but 'spite' so much? That really reflects negatively on you, not me. I've only directly insulted you once during this whole thing, while pointing out your continual BS. But that said ...

I had an extremely excellent immune response to the J&J Ad26 type, including over 2 weeks (during weeks 3-5) of pink eye-type response (even though I didn't get pink eye inflammation or membrane damage).

And it's 72% against any illness, 95% against serious illness, with the Ad26. I had none of the problems most people have with mRNA. Against the Delta variant, it seems the Ad types are building T-cells that fight it just as well.

It's hard to tell because the J&J Ad26 isn't used much outside the US, unlike the Astrazeneca which uses a different Ad attack vector.
There shouldn't be any need for a booster shot. The vaccines are generating an immune response, and people will continually be exposed to the virus so the clock really shouldn't ever run out. Even if it did, there's t-cell and b-cell memory.
 
A complicating factor here is that vaccines are low-margins, which is why no one in Big Pharma wanted to touch a SARS-CoV-2 vaccines. That's why the first attempts were with mRNA, because it's cake and cheap to produce, compared to other vaccines.

And with the US FDA granting blanket immunity, 0 fiscal liability meant they would move forward with mRNA.

Everyone needs to stop thinking this is a 'proven delivery mechanism.' It's a new, cheap'n easy one. Vaccines are low-margin, and most have gotten out of the business. mRNA may change that long-term. But we just don't know.

It could be the greatest thing and 'take over.' We just don't know. But it's hardly 'proven.'
@Ucfmikes - please take this to heart. This 'proven' argument needs to die. What we have is 'hope.' It took a pandemic to cause this, no argument. But please stop acting like these vaccines are proven, approved and other things ... especially for kids.

We literally have 'new players' in a world where the 'established pharma' couldn't use traditional vaccines to 'get to market fast enough,' and the US FDA and others decided to forgo past, required 'liability/safety' in the 'hope' that it would stop the pandemic ... that the pandemic 'risk' was worse.

Which brings me back to youth ... Coronaviruses aren't like Influenza. They don't kill or cause illness in kids (at least 5+) like they do adults, let alone the elderly. So now the 'risk' is back on the vaccine, not the illness, when it comes to kids.


[NIH 2003] US NIH

Financing Vaccines in the 21st Century: Assuring Access and Availability.

the vaccine supply today is surprisingly fragile. Just how fragile it is was brought to national attention by severe vaccine shortages in 2001 and 2002, which affected 8 of the 11 routine childhood vaccines. Such shortages have the potential to result in serious outbreaks of disease and can erode public health programs and infrastructure that have taken years to build.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK221811/


[NRD 2017] Natural RD

mRNA vaccines — a new era in vaccinology​

the vaccine supply today is surprisingly fragile. Just how fragile it is was brought to national attention by severe vaccine shortages in 2001 and 2002, which affected 8 of the 11 routine childhood vaccines. Such shortages have the potential to result in serious outbreaks of disease and can erode public health programs and infrastructure that have taken years to build.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243


[NYT 2021-Jan] NY Times

Governments Sign Secret Vaccine Deals. Here’s What They Hide.​

Multibillion-dollar contracts give drug makers liability shields, patent ownership and leeway on delivery dates and pricing — and promises that much of it will not be made public.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/world/europe/vaccine-secret-contracts-prices.html


[FT 2021-Feb] Financial Times

Why the three biggest vaccine makers failed on Covid-19​

GlaxoSmithKline, Merck and Sanofi are left playing catch-up to upstarts with new technology
https://www.ft.com/content/657b123a-78ba-4fba-b18e-23c07e313331


[WUK 2021-Apr] Wired

A Covid breakthrough could fix the broken economics of vaccines​

Pharmaceutical firms have spent decades shunning expensive vaccines, but mRNA could change that for good
https://www-wired-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.wired.co.uk/article/mrna-vaccines-economics/amp
 
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Just got off the phone with my brother. His wife has covid for the 2nd time and the symptoms are worse than the first. She is vaccinated with the Moderna one.
 
That's 6 out of 6 in their household that are vaccinated but have since tested positive. Maybe they just got a bad batch of the vaccine.
Getting the vaccine shots lessens the chance you’ll get it, and keeps you from becoming seriously ill if you do, but it was never advertised as a cure.
 
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@Ucfmikes - please take this to heart. This 'proven' argument needs to die. What we have is 'hope.' It took a pandemic to cause this, no argument. But please stop acting like these vaccines are proven, approved and other things ... especially for kids.

We literally have 'new players' in a world where the 'established pharma' couldn't use traditional vaccines to 'get to market fast enough,' and the US FDA and others decided to forgo past, required 'liability/safety' in the 'hope' that it would stop the pandemic ... that the pandemic 'risk' was worse.

Which brings me back to youth ... Coronaviruses aren't like Influenza. They don't kill or cause illness in kids (at least 5+) like they do adults, let alone the elderly. So now the 'risk' is back on the vaccine, not the illness, when it comes to kids.


[NIH 2003] US NIH

Financing Vaccines in the 21st Century: Assuring Access and Availability.

the vaccine supply today is surprisingly fragile. Just how fragile it is was brought to national attention by severe vaccine shortages in 2001 and 2002, which affected 8 of the 11 routine childhood vaccines. Such shortages have the potential to result in serious outbreaks of disease and can erode public health programs and infrastructure that have taken years to build.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK221811/


[NRD 2017] Natural RD

mRNA vaccines — a new era in vaccinology​

the vaccine supply today is surprisingly fragile. Just how fragile it is was brought to national attention by severe vaccine shortages in 2001 and 2002, which affected 8 of the 11 routine childhood vaccines. Such shortages have the potential to result in serious outbreaks of disease and can erode public health programs and infrastructure that have taken years to build.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243


[NYT 2021-Jan] NY Times

Governments Sign Secret Vaccine Deals. Here’s What They Hide.​

Multibillion-dollar contracts give drug makers liability shields, patent ownership and leeway on delivery dates and pricing — and promises that much of it will not be made public.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/world/europe/vaccine-secret-contracts-prices.html


[FT 2021-Feb] Financial Times

Why the three biggest vaccine makers failed on Covid-19​

GlaxoSmithKline, Merck and Sanofi are left playing catch-up to upstarts with new technology
https://www.ft.com/content/657b123a-78ba-4fba-b18e-23c07e313331


[WUK 2021-Apr] Wired

A Covid breakthrough could fix the broken economics of vaccines​

Pharmaceutical firms have spent decades shunning expensive vaccines, but mRNA could change that for good
https://www-wired-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.wired.co.uk/article/mrna-vaccines-economics/amp
You don’t understand herd immunity. How are we ever going to achieve it without younger people getting vaccinated. There is no proof that the vaccines are more harmful than COVID in ANY age group. Show me one study
 
Not yet, fingers crossed. The SIL is having worse symptoms than the first time but I doubt it will lead to a hospital stay.
I will keep my fingers crossed for them too. The odds are in their favor because that’s what the vaccines are intended to help avoid.
 
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I will keep my fingers crossed for them too. The odds are in their favor because that’s what the vaccines are intended to help avoid.
Deaths are now almost exclusively in unvaccinated people. In May, Covid deaths were 99.2% in unvaccinated people
 
You don’t understand herd immunity. How are we ever going to achieve it without younger people getting vaccinated. There is no proof that the vaccines are more harmful than COVID in ANY age group. Show me one study
You don't necessarily need vaccines to reach herd immunity. Natural infection accomplishes the same thing.
 
Besides my brothers family, I know 4 others that have. Like I said, maybe this area just got a bad batch.
100% of conspiracy theorists know a physician who tells everyone that they shouldn’t get the vaccine and 100% of conspiracy theorists know a bunch of people who got sick or COVID after the vaccine. Amrite???
 
You don't necessarily need vaccines to reach herd immunity. Natural infection accomplishes the same thing.
However, we don’t know how long your natural immunity lasts in ANY age group and get this...

Drumroll....

You have to get COVID to get natural immunity 🙄😷🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
100% of conspiracy theorists know a physician who tells everyone that they shouldn’t get the vaccine and 100% of conspiracy theorists know a bunch of people who got sick or COVID after the vaccine. Amrite???
I know one person that has gotten sick after the vaccine. For that 1, I'm sure there are many more. It's stupid to think that there aren't.
 
I know one person that has gotten sick after the vaccine. For that 1, I'm sure there are many more. It's stupid to think that there aren't.
I got sick and now I’m better. Covid is worse

Have you been vaccinated?
 
However, we don’t know how long your natural immunity lasts in ANY age group and get this...

Drumroll....

You have to get COVID to get natural immunity 🙄😷🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
We have a better idea of how long immunity lasts from natural infection than from the vaccines.
 
You don’t understand herd immunity. How are we ever going to achieve it without younger people getting vaccinated.
Ummm, kids are not getting ill with SARS-CoV-2!!!
There is no change in spread!

Sigh ... show me one (1), single Coronavirus in history we have achieved even just 'effective immunity' with! Just one! That's all I ask. When you say 50-70%, and we achieve that, you deflect that we need 80%. Now it's all kids.

You will blundgeon everyone to get an UN-approved vaccine, instead of letting them decide themselves to wait for more knowledge -- all in the false believe it will lead to 'effective immunity.' You have been repeatedly wrong again and again and again and refuse to admit it. Because ....

Nothing you have stated has worked ... at all ... and usually been proven the opposite!

Guess what?! Kids getting the vaccine will not stop the spread. All the vaccines are doing is stopping mass illness in those 45+. Guess what, that's already been achieved! Stop 'moving the goal posts' to something that will never be achieved!

We never did it with even OC43-CoV! It still killed the elderly em masse! Kids spread it the most. Same with pneumonia! Kids are vaccinated, and far more killed, by pneumonia than anything else!

There is no proof that the vaccines are more harmful than COVID in ANY age group. Show me one study
Ummm ... the Israelis already did that! Are you actually asserting 1 in 5,000 kids -- and that's just inflammation alone -- would be hospitalized with SARS-CoV-2?! Or you are just assuming they are?!

Where is your outpouring of support for kids who get pneumonia?! That harms and kills more than SARS-CoV-2!!! Far more!

Approximately 25M kids are aged 12-17 in the US. In any given month, 0.6-2.1 (best-worst to date) out of 100,000 will be hospitalized with SARS-CoV-2, only 1/3rd of those requiring an ICU stay that lasts weeks. Do the f'ing math! That's 0.0006-0.0021%!!! And only 1/3rd of those go into the ICU (multi-week stay)!

Seriously ... we're done. We are so done.
 
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Ummm, kids are not getting ill with SARS-CoV-2!!!
There is no change in spread!

Sigh ... show me one (1), single Coronavirus in history we have achieved even just 'effective immunity' with! Just one! That's all I ask. When you say 50-70%, and we achieve that, you deflect that we need 80%. Now it's all kids.

Guess what?! Kids getting the vaccine will not stop the spread. All the vaccines are doing is stopping mass illness in those 45+. Guess what, that's already been achieved! Stop 'moving the goal posts' to something that will never be achieved!

We never did it with even OC43-CoV! It still killed the elderly em masse! Kids spread it the most. Same with pneumonia! Kids are vaccinated, and far more killed, by pneumonia than anything else!


Ummm ... the Israelis already did that! Are you actually asserting 1 in 5,000 kids would be hospitalized with SARS-CoV-2?! Or you are just assuming they are?!

Where is your outpouring of support for kids who get pneumonia?! That harms and kills more than SARS-CoV-2!!! Far more!
Show me one study that the death rate or severe illnesses from COVID is less than the vaccine in any age group
 
Where is your outpouring of support for kids who get pneumonia?! That harms and kills more than SARS-CoV-2!!! Far more!
Have them take the 95% successful vaccine that’s available to end the worldwide pneumonia pandemic then
 
How long is the natural immunity? Didn’t you say that you knew?
No, I didn't. Maybe if you can explain to me why a vaccine would invoke a different longer lasting immune response I could understand your point.
 
Show me one study that the death rate or severe illnesses from COVID is less than the vaccine in any age group
Hit the f'ing CDC!!! Again ...

Approximately 25M kids are aged 12-17 in the US. In any given month, 0.6-2.1 (best-worst to date) out of 100,000 will be hospitalized with SARS-CoV-2, only 1/3rd of those requiring an ICU stay that lasts weeks. Again, do the f'ing math! That's 0.0006-0.0021%!!! And only 1/3rd of those go into the ICU (multi-week stay)!

I can only post the CDC SARS-CoV-2 pages so many times. Will you please look at them?!?!?! Or are you going to continue to imitate Brian Williams?! ;)

I'm honestly done at this point. Honestly ... so done. Not responding again. @Ucfmikes gets his wish.
 
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