Kind of hard to get him to agree to give up responsibility. Given that last year he blamed all the problems on the fact that he gave too much control to coordinators. He doesn't like to point fingers at himself.
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Nice to see someone say that. Thank you. All I'm asking is for people to be realistic.
So ... yes, and no. Yes, with Brown being malleable, it's not a bad time to do it. But no, it's not going to change much, even with a new QB/OC.
I.e., doing so means restarting, and that means whomever we bring in, needs to keep much of Gus' playbook for 2025 to have a chance.
One thing Heupel did do correct is keep most of Frost's playbook. To change it would have really hurt 2018's chances. Heupel just brought in a few plays, some of which destroyed Pitt and others.
And how many times have we done it already? Then switched back?
We run a RPO, which means it's on the QB quite a bit. I'm just glad KJ isn't running it any more. He clearly did not have much practice with the team, and could not execute fast enough.
Brown very much does. Brown reminds me of JRP, only bigger and even faster!
And this is why I’m all for firing. Gus wants to run the show…and the show is a shit show.
He exhibits zero accountability; talks like a politician without any specifics; there’s no reason as a fan that any of this improves. How on earth is this allowed?
The AD brought in an offensive coordinator last year with that intention Gus obliterated that after several games. I don’t know if it was the right offensive coordinator ( I’m sure Gus selected Hinshaw initially ) to bring in, but one does need to be brought in because Gus doesn’t have it.
I didn't get the impression of that at all. I only got the impression that he wants to call the offense, if he's going to get blamed any way. I don't (pun)blame(pun) him for that attitude.
KJ struggled to run his offense, and clearly didn't learn the playbook. Gus had to dumb it down for KJ, sadly enough. Brown will learn it. But it's not happening overnight. People need to be patient, new QB#1.
Treat Brown in 2024 like Milton in 2016.
Gus did the same thing at Auburn. Handed the play calling to his OC, only to take it back. I’m fine with that as at the end of the day he’s the HC, but the optics are bad. Looks like he’s rolling Hinshaw and his OCs under the bus.
But, I’m a Hinshaw fan and would like to see what he can do as the play caller. I think he’d do great and I’m not so sure he was ever calling plays last year.
But, I’m a Hinshaw fan and would like to see what he can do as the play caller. I think he’d do great and I’m not so sure he was ever calling plays last year.
1 Bad QB decision? This has to be a joke.
I defended JRP at great length, but Malzahn entered the program with Dillon Gabriel at QB. JRP was a huge downgrade to Gabriel, that's not even a question. He chased off Keene, he chased off Castellanos, who is better than anyone we have right now. And you can say well these weren't bad decisions, these guys were scared off by Gus' scheme and inability to develop QBs. Obviously, that in and of itself is a huge problem, and most certainly the main problem. You wouldn't be firing Gus over 1 bad QB decision, if you want to just focus on the QB position, the QB position has been a dumpster fire for the 4 years Gus has been here, and look at his track record at Auburn the last 5 years before we brought him in, a ton of QB talent just wasted during his tenure.
Castellanos is the only QB Gus has brought in out of high school that's had any sort of hype around him, and the dude was gone after 1 year. This is after 4 years at the helm. It's not acceptable, and I don't see how anyone could make the argument that it is.
Yes I’m the upper management that’s never done the actual job of the people under me, demanding it be done better and I’m telling you how to do it even though I’ve never done it. It’s easy to say do better, it’s harder when you’re the one doing it.Risk assessment has been my career. It very much is. You have to weigh to pros/cons. And given the statistics on the matter, it's way, way too early to even make that choice.
And the argument that we must fire Gus now, or we'll set the program back 5 years, is getting old. Even Auburn fans no longer say that. They realize they themselves -- or at least influential boosters -- set the program back with Harsin-Freeze. Freeze is looking far worse than Harsin, especially with recruiting and how the players are reacting to him.
With Gus, we have 1 player complaining about another staffer. Gus needs to address that, but he may only do it with the players. In fact, I fully suspect he might only do that. They trust him, as do parents.
Auburn fans are the ones that literally made me aware of that. Even the ones who wanted him fired.
You are the type of guys that take the A out of CIA, and crash my hundreds of billion dollar asset FSI servers. I then pick up the pieces, and you get read the riot act by Board Members after they read my risk analysis you ignored.
I know you guys. You scream about risk, but you don't stop to actually analyze it. You just do your 'checkbox,' then pass the buck when you make it worse. And you then hate me for it, because I not only ended up being right, but have it all documented.
Don't even have to say, "I told you so." Other people do it for me. But I'm an engineer, and I focus on risk and sustainment for 5, 10 even 20 years, not 6-18 months, or whenever I get a promotion.
I don’t care if Gus installs the offense, the game plans and calls the plays. He has that right. Just take the credit for the good and bad. The bad has outweighed the good lately.
Dillion left Oklahoma dude. He's now at Oregon. Gus had him a whole 3 games before he broke his collarbone. To DG's credit, Oregon is doing great in the Big 10 with him, so ... credit DG for moving on.
And how many QBs are staying with their first school these days?! I'll wait.
I don't remember Gus chasing off Keene. I remember Keene redshirting instead of starting the CCG. He saw JRP as the future, and Keene wanted to lead. I don't know what to tell you. He also committed to Power school before that, if you remember, then moved on (when he wasn't going to be the starter there either!). I.e., it was 'family related' IIRC.
Sorry, but no ... only 1 bad QB decision with KJ. I'm sticking to that.
You can stick your head in the sand and ignore all the QBs transferring all over in college football. It's happening everywhere, especially as our talent pool has gone up. We're basically having the same problem as Alabama, among others, now ... especially with the new rules that just took effect when Gus got here.
Don't believe me?! Guess you'll find out with the next coach! Then, I'm going to 'call you out' on it too! Of course, you 'won't remember,' or ... better yet ... you'll be saying why that coach needs to be fired too!!!
Even Gus' replacements at Auburn have had the same issue! In fact, unlike Gus, Freeze is being chastized publicly by former players. Even Auburn fans who wanted to fire Gus wouild take Gus in a heartbeat over Freeze now. Gus didn't alienate players, let alone future recruits, and their parents.
People need to stop posting articles from 2019-2021 about Gus. Auburn fans are ticked off. Even if they didn't want Gus long-term, none of them will badmouth Gus when it comes to him as a person, and how much the recruits and their parents love him as a recruiter and coach. Even Prime does.
Malzahn didn't chase off Keene, but saw Plumlee as the future and didn't want Keene to lead the team? Who beat UF in a bowl game and won games for Plumlee that season (Cincinnati) when Plumlee was ineffective. Isn't that the definition of running a player off, refusing to acknowledge their successes as a team leader in favor of a player that never once matched the success.I don't remember Gus chasing off Keene. I remember Keene redshirting instead of starting the CCG. He saw JRP as the future, and Keene wanted to lead. I don't know what to tell you. He also committed to Power school before that, if you remember, then moved on (when he wasn't going to be the starter there either!). I.e., it was 'family related' IIRC.
Malzahn was going to use Keene for one game, and bench him again and tell him to be a backup. Malzahn was all in on Plumlee just like he was all in on Jefferson. Just Jefferson never got hurt so eventually Malzahn had to reluctantly bench him.
I usually don't stay with managers like that, or in my case of consulting, client managers. What the manager wants, is often not what the company needs. But I never 'usurp' my management, and try to help them 'do the right thing.' Unfortunately, many 'fight' me, thinking I haven't worked with me ... and it always takes 6 months.
E.g., I know one manager sh-- a brick in '12 when he realized the CTO and I had known each other since the '90s. He didn't know who he was, and walked up to me, and I introduced him.
I loved my VP I had 2016-2021. Unfortunately, there were other VPs of other divisions that caused issues. They also had massive turnover, and had to hire, or re-purpose, unqualified talent. I did my best to work with them, but when they would cover up their mistakes, after crashing systems, instead of working with me, when I made time, and documented how much time I made for them, they slit their own throats. I'm an immediate 'lead' for a reason, and no one even questions it in my chain. They find I'm an asset that self-documents and gives them everything they need, from the lowest levels to the C-levels.
When you're one company, you need to work together ... everybody. But you also need qualified leadership. Those that do not, have high turnover, and poor retention, including 'finger pointing.' I think HP was the worst experience I've ever had in my career. But that's why I did contract work and was sub'd to them a lot. Only once I took a direct position as a lead, and that ended up being Sales v. me, and then my VP. Sales eventually got my VP sacked, and I left, telling them they could do 2 things. They didn't listen until later, and sold the unit far too late, for far less money, to who I told them to.
Most of the time, it's made worse through multiple reorgs where we people of 12-20 years with the company are laid off. Now those managers and VPs ended up having a lot to answer for in all those cases! Many were terminated as a result. We're talking S&P500 companies that screwed up units. Sales and security are the two biggest culprits, sales wanting their quarterly commissions, and security literally being a basketcase of incompetence and, worse set, liability at times (covering up mistakes, not being honest about them).
My #1 issue has always been with new management who literally alienate people, and then they come to me. In every case, management has 2 options ...
1) Work with me, I'm trying to help, not badmouth them like everyone else, or ...
2) "Know your place Bryan," in which I just 'shrug,' "Okay, got it," and let them nose dive
In the latter case, one was used to hiring and firing hundreds of contractors, came in via an acquisition, which became -- what I call -- an 'in-source' (external company takes of an internal division). They took over a division much smaller, but who made the company 10x as much money as they did, in indirect upsell (over 10% of all revenue, directly, no sales involved, and up to 25-30% indirectly, sustaining sales -- none on commission). We were 'trusted advisors' that major accounts looked to.
They never understood that, and once they started alienating customers, sales was pissed. In fact, because I had helped save AT&T and other accounts, I was granted -- at the C-levels -- a stock bonus, since I could receive direct compensation. My managers didn't like that I had more stock than them too. You'd think they'd recognize maybe why I did?! Nope, I was 'too costly' in their view. OMG did HR 'read them the riot act' when I resigned (HR immediately marked them as liabilities), after they tried to put something in my file (no good deed goes unpunished, they were stupid to initate that)!
I resigned, and took a competitive position for almost twice as much money at HP, after 7 years with the organization. From when it was barely traded on the NYSE to S&P500. I helped grow it from a $0.3B/year company to a $3B/year, indirectly touching 10% of all revenue on a 5-site team. Of course, HP screwed up that initiative, after spending billions.
E.g., I know one manager sh-- a brick in '12 when he realized the CTO and I had known each other since the '90s. He didn't know who he was, and walked up to me, and I introduced him.
I loved my VP I had 2016-2021. Unfortunately, there were other VPs of other divisions that caused issues. They also had massive turnover, and had to hire, or re-purpose, unqualified talent. I did my best to work with them, but when they would cover up their mistakes, after crashing systems, instead of working with me, when I made time, and documented how much time I made for them, they slit their own throats. I'm an immediate 'lead' for a reason, and no one even questions it in my chain. They find I'm an asset that self-documents and gives them everything they need, from the lowest levels to the C-levels.
When you're one company, you need to work together ... everybody. But you also need qualified leadership. Those that do not, have high turnover, and poor retention, including 'finger pointing.' I think HP was the worst experience I've ever had in my career. But that's why I did contract work and was sub'd to them a lot. Only once I took a direct position as a lead, and that ended up being Sales v. me, and then my VP. Sales eventually got my VP sacked, and I left, telling them they could do 2 things. They didn't listen until later, and sold the unit far too late, for far less money, to who I told them to.
Most of the time, it's made worse through multiple reorgs where we people of 12-20 years with the company are laid off. Now those managers and VPs ended up having a lot to answer for in all those cases! Many were terminated as a result. We're talking S&P500 companies that screwed up units. Sales and security are the two biggest culprits, sales wanting their quarterly commissions, and security literally being a basketcase of incompetence and, worse set, liability at times (covering up mistakes, not being honest about them).
Or the lead who most look to.
My #1 issue has always been with new management who literally alienate people, and then they come to me. In every case, management has 2 options ...
1) Work with me, I'm trying to help, not badmouth them like everyone else, or ...
2) "Know your place Bryan," in which I just 'shrug,' "Okay, got it," and let them nose dive
In the latter case, one was used to hiring and firing hundreds of contractors, came in via an acquisition, which became -- what I call -- an 'in-source' (external company takes of an internal division). They took over a division much smaller, but who made the company 10x as much money as they did, in indirect upsell (over 10% of all revenue, directly, no sales involved, and up to 25-30% indirectly, sustaining sales -- none on commission). We were 'trusted advisors' that major accounts looked to.
They never understood that, and once they started alienating customers, sales was pissed. In fact, because I had helped save AT&T and other accounts, I was granted -- at the C-levels -- a stock bonus, since I could receive direct compensation. My managers didn't like that I had more stock than them too. You'd think they'd recognize maybe why I did?! Nope, I was 'too costly' in their view. OMG did HR 'read them the riot act' when I resigned (HR immediately marked them as liabilities), after they tried to put something in my file (no good deed goes unpunished, they were stupid to initate that)!
I resigned, and took a competitive position for almost twice as much money at HP, after 7 years with the organization. From when it was barely traded on the NYSE to S&P500. I helped grow it from a $0.3B/year company to a $3B/year, indirectly touching 10% of all revenue on a 5-site team. Of course, HP screwed up that initiative, after spending billions.
Oh no, I might get called out!Dillion left Oklahoma dude. He's now at Oregon. Gus had him a whole 3 games before he broke his collarbone. To DG's credit, Oregon is doing great in the Big 10 with him, so ... credit DG for moving on.
And how many QBs are staying with their first school these days?! I'll wait.
I don't remember Gus chasing off Keene. I remember Keene redshirting instead of starting the CCG. He saw JRP as the future, and Keene wanted to lead. I don't know what to tell you. He also committed to Power school before that, if you remember, then moved on (when he wasn't going to be the starter there either!). I.e., it was 'family related' IIRC.
Sorry, but no ... only 1 bad QB decision with KJ. I'm sticking to that.
You can stick your head in the sand and ignore all the QBs transferring all over in college football. It's happening everywhere, especially as our talent pool has gone up. We're basically having the same problem as Alabama, among others, now ... especially with the new rules that just took effect when Gus got here.
Don't believe me?! Guess you'll find out with the next coach! Then, I'm going to 'call you out' on it too! Of course, you 'won't remember,' or ... better yet ... you'll be saying why that coach needs to be fired too!!!
Even Gus' replacements at Auburn have had the same issue! In fact, unlike Gus, Freeze is being chastized publicly by former players. Even Auburn fans who wanted to fire Gus wouild take Gus in a heartbeat over Freeze now. Gus didn't alienate players, let alone future recruits, and their parents.
People need to stop posting articles from 2019-2021 about Gus. Auburn fans are ticked off. Even if they didn't want Gus long-term, none of them will badmouth Gus when it comes to him as a person, and how much the recruits and their parents love him as a recruiter and coach. Even Prime does.
The problem isn’t that QBs are transferring out. The problem is the QBs transferring in aren’t as good as the ones transferring out. Couple that with not bringing in QB talent out of high school and it’s a huge problem.
Just warning you. I can admit, I can be an a-hole at times, especially since 2021 (and just 'crass' before that).
Just remember, it's just on the board, and ... I actually agree with people more than I disagree, most of the time. I'm just play 'devil's advocate' regularly. If it's not obvious, I'm also
a staunch, almost anal, Libertarian-Capitalist that calls a lot of people out.
Actually, I thought we got a pair of solid freshmen QBs?! In fact, Gus started one over Brown against Cindi.
Everyone has this problem. QBs wanna play. Even RJ didn't come to UCF, because he wanted to be a QB, not a RB. And that wasn't exactly Gus who recruited him. And that's before the 'newer rules.'
It just is what it is. We'll see what happens over the final 6 games this year, and 6 games into next year.
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