Kind of hard to get him to agree to give up responsibility. Given that last year he blamed all the problems on the fact that he gave too much control to coordinators. He doesn't like to point fingers at himself.
Nice to see someone say that. Thank you. All I'm asking is for people to be realistic.I'm willing to give Gus one more year and reduce the buyout (which is going to happen anyway),
So ... yes, and no. Yes, with Brown being malleable, it's not a bad time to do it. But no, it's not going to change much, even with a new QB/OC.but Terry has to get him to give up play calling and bring in an innovative OC and/or QB coach.
And how many times have we done it already? Then switched back?yea, and we will have been demanding this for what, 3, 4 years?
And this is why I’m all for firing. Gus wants to run the show…and the show is a shit show.Kind of hard to get him to agree to give up responsibility. Given that last year he blamed all the problems on the fact that he gave too much control to coordinators. He doesn't like to point fingers at himself.
The AD brought in an offensive coordinator last year with that intention Gus obliterated that after several games. I don’t know if it was the right offensive coordinator ( I’m sure Gus selected Hinshaw initially ) to bring in, but one does need to be brought in because Gus doesn’t have it.I'm willing to give Gus one more year and reduce the buyout (which is going to happen anyway), but Terry has to get him to give up play calling and bring in an innovative OC and/or QB coach.
I didn't get the impression of that at all. I only got the impression that he wants to call the offense, if he's going to get blamed any way. I don't (pun)blame(pun) him for that attitude.Kind of hard to get him to agree to give up responsibility. Given that last year he blamed all the problems on the fact that he gave too much control to coordinators. He doesn't like to point fingers at himself.
1 Bad QB decision? This has to be a joke.I'm not going to fire Gus over 1 QB bad decision. Sorry, I'm not. JRP was a solid move. He just was. Brown looks really good, given his current, early limitations.
Yes I’m the upper management that’s never done the actual job of the people under me, demanding it be done better and I’m telling you how to do it even though I’ve never done it. It’s easy to say do better, it’s harder when you’re the one doing it.Risk assessment has been my career. It very much is. You have to weigh to pros/cons. And given the statistics on the matter, it's way, way too early to even make that choice.
And the argument that we must fire Gus now, or we'll set the program back 5 years, is getting old. Even Auburn fans no longer say that. They realize they themselves -- or at least influential boosters -- set the program back with Harsin-Freeze. Freeze is looking far worse than Harsin, especially with recruiting and how the players are reacting to him.
With Gus, we have 1 player complaining about another staffer. Gus needs to address that, but he may only do it with the players. In fact, I fully suspect he might only do that. They trust him, as do parents.
Auburn fans are the ones that literally made me aware of that. Even the ones who wanted him fired.
You are the type of guys that take the A out of CIA, and crash my hundreds of billion dollar asset FSI servers. I then pick up the pieces, and you get read the riot act by Board Members after they read my risk analysis you ignored.
I know you guys. You scream about risk, but you don't stop to actually analyze it. You just do your 'checkbox,' then pass the buck when you make it worse. And you then hate me for it, because I not only ended up being right, but have it all documented.
Don't even have to say, "I told you so." Other people do it for me. But I'm an engineer, and I focus on risk and sustainment for 5, 10 even 20 years, not 6-18 months, or whenever I get a promotion.
Dillion left Oklahoma dude. He's now at Oregon. Gus had him a whole 3 games before he broke his collarbone. To DG's credit, Oregon is doing great in the Big 10 with him, so ... credit DG for moving on.1 Bad QB decision? This has to be a joke.
I defended JRP at great length, but Malzahn entered the program with Dillon Gabriel at QB.
And how many QBs are staying with their first school these days?! I'll wait.JRP was a huge downgrade to Gabriel, that's not even a question. He chased off Keene, he chased off Castellanos, who is better than anyone we have right now.
Sorry, but no ... only 1 bad QB decision with KJ. I'm sticking to that.And you can say well these weren't bad decisions, these guys were scared off by Gus' scheme and inability to develop QBs. Obviously, that in and of itself is a huge problem, and most certainly the main problem. You wouldn't be firing Gus over 1 bad QB decision, if you want to just focus on the QB position, the QB position has been a dumpster fire for the 4 years Gus has been here, and look at his track record at Auburn the last 5 years before we brought him in, a ton of QB talent just wasted during his tenure.
Malzahn didn't chase off Keene, but saw Plumlee as the future and didn't want Keene to lead the team? Who beat UF in a bowl game and won games for Plumlee that season (Cincinnati) when Plumlee was ineffective. Isn't that the definition of running a player off, refusing to acknowledge their successes as a team leader in favor of a player that never once matched the success.I don't remember Gus chasing off Keene. I remember Keene redshirting instead of starting the CCG. He saw JRP as the future, and Keene wanted to lead. I don't know what to tell you. He also committed to Power school before that, if you remember, then moved on (when he wasn't going to be the starter there either!). I.e., it was 'family related' IIRC.
Yes I’m the upper management that’s never done the actual job of the people under me, demanding it be done better and I’m telling you how to do it even though I’ve never done it.
Or the lead who most look to.It’s easy to say do better, it’s harder when you’re the one doing it.
Oh no, I might get called out!Dillion left Oklahoma dude. He's now at Oregon. Gus had him a whole 3 games before he broke his collarbone. To DG's credit, Oregon is doing great in the Big 10 with him, so ... credit DG for moving on.
And how many QBs are staying with their first school these days?! I'll wait.
I don't remember Gus chasing off Keene. I remember Keene redshirting instead of starting the CCG. He saw JRP as the future, and Keene wanted to lead. I don't know what to tell you. He also committed to Power school before that, if you remember, then moved on (when he wasn't going to be the starter there either!). I.e., it was 'family related' IIRC.
Sorry, but no ... only 1 bad QB decision with KJ. I'm sticking to that.
You can stick your head in the sand and ignore all the QBs transferring all over in college football. It's happening everywhere, especially as our talent pool has gone up. We're basically having the same problem as Alabama, among others, now ... especially with the new rules that just took effect when Gus got here.
Don't believe me?! Guess you'll find out with the next coach! Then, I'm going to 'call you out' on it too! Of course, you 'won't remember,' or ... better yet ... you'll be saying why that coach needs to be fired too!!!
Even Gus' replacements at Auburn have had the same issue! In fact, unlike Gus, Freeze is being chastized publicly by former players. Even Auburn fans who wanted to fire Gus wouild take Gus in a heartbeat over Freeze now. Gus didn't alienate players, let alone future recruits, and their parents.
People need to stop posting articles from 2019-2021 about Gus. Auburn fans are ticked off. Even if they didn't want Gus long-term, none of them will badmouth Gus when it comes to him as a person, and how much the recruits and their parents love him as a recruiter and coach. Even Prime does.
Just warning you. I can admit, I can be an a-hole at times, especially since 2021 (and just 'crass' before that).Oh no, I might get called out!
Actually, I thought we got a pair of solid freshmen QBs?! In fact, Gus started one over Brown against Cindi.The problem isn’t that QBs are transferring out. The problem is the QBs transferring in aren’t as good as the ones transferring out. Couple that with not bringing in QB talent out of high school and it’s a huge problem.
Did TCU with Patterson?we can complain all we want but he's not going anywhere in part to our AD putting a massive buyout on him. If we want to be a serious program coaches have to be held accountable. When you have back to back years of losing streaks doesn't it scream future of college football.
Did TCU with Patterson?
Did Utah with Whittingham?
Patterson didn't work out the best long-term, but Whittingham very much has!
My point is ... it could be better ... it could be worse. This is about 50/50 here.I see losing streaks but good for them I guess.
My point is ... it could be better ... it could be worse. This is about 50/50 here.
The only thing that really gets me 'upset' is how people are saying the kids don't want to play for Gus, and he's hurting our recruiting. In that area, Gus is actually a gem in the top 10%, if not even smaller.
Auburn fans are reeling right now, and recognize this, even some don't want Gus back. Anyone posting articles from before 2024 really need to update themselves. Freeze is gettin major condemnation.
And the comparisons to Gus (all positive for Gus, negative for Freeze) in that regard, is absolute now.
When your not winning that doesn't help in your recruiting regardless. Could be good, could be bad, isn't my thinking especially when your paying players and a coach 4 mill a year. They take money like a pro so gotta take the hot seat that comes with it.My point is ... it could be better ... it could be worse. This is about 50/50 here.
The only thing that really gets me 'upset' is how people are saying the kids don't want to play for Gus, and he's hurting our recruiting. In that area, Gus is actually a gem in the top 10%, if not even smaller.
Auburn fans are reeling right now, and recognize this, even some don't want Gus back. Anyone posting articles from before 2024 really need to update themselves. Freeze is gettin major condemnation.
And the comparisons to Gus (all positive for Gus, negative for Freeze) in that regard, is absolute now.
I'll met you half-way, but there's a lot of crap out there.When your not winning that doesn't help in your recruiting regardless. Could be good, could be bad, isn't my thinking especially when your paying players and a coach 4 mill a year. They take money like a pro so gotta take the hot seat that comes with it.
I'm a huge fan of his, but ... he's just into his 1st season, and ... some talent was there already. It's difficult to tell. Time ... tells. It's hard to know. I mean ... JMU is still doing good without him. So ... it's hard to tell.And look at Indiana Cignetti turned that place around over night.
Agree that the better quarterbacks are leaving then the ones coming in. It’s his system. His system is high school at best and gets quarterbacks hurt also does not allow for qbs to throw the ball down field. This is all recipe for disaster.Oh no, I might get called out!
The problem isn’t that QBs are transferring out. The problem is the QBs transferring in aren’t as good as the ones transferring out. Couple that with not bringing in QB talent out of high school and it’s a huge problem.
He also brought a bunch of players from James Madison over there to implement the system, as well as to upgrade the talent level. I agree he turned that program around overnight. That’s a tough sale there too. It’s much harder there than in Florida.When your not winning that doesn't help in your recruiting regardless. Could be good, could be bad, isn't my thinking especially when your paying players and a coach 4 mill a year. They take money like a pro so gotta take the hot seat that comes with it.
And look at Indiana Cignetti turned that place around over night.
So ... JRP sucked, and was not the best QB option?!Agree that the better quarterbacks are leaving then the ones coming in.
I distinctly remember Frost saying his offense is 60% run too. But ignore me ... I just lie, right?!It’s his system. His system is high school at best and gets quarterbacks hurt also does not allow for qbs to throw the ball down field. This is all recipe for disaster.
And how do you think we would have done had Gus not had his transfers? Oh, that's right ... always better!He also brought a bunch of players from James Madison over there to implement the system, as well as to upgrade the talent level. I agree he turned that program around overnight. That’s a tough sale there too. It’s much harder there than in Florida.
This is the last time I'm going to respond to this nonsense. The situations are not comparable. Whittingham and Patterson's achievements at those schools led them to getting brought in to the P5. Malzahn did jack shit to get us to the Big 12. His biggest contribution is losing to us in the Peach Bowl.Did TCU with Patterson?
Did Utah with Whittingham?
Patterson didn't work out the best long-term, but Whittingham very much has!
He was the best option available. He was a huge downgrade to the QBs we had been putting out there the previous 4 years.So ... JRP sucked, and was not the best QB option?!
Did TCU with Patterson?
Did Utah with Whittingham?
Patterson didn't work out the best long-term, but Whittingham very much has!
I love how my posting history, out of fear of revisiting it, is called 'non-sense.' Same with vaccines or the Weimar Republic for that matter. You don't want to admit history.This is the last time I'm going to respond to this nonsense.
Which means they should have been fired ... sooner! I.e., if they failed to 'make the jump,' shouldn't they have been 'fired?' And in their hindsight, today, I hear some TCU fans saying Patterson should have been!The situations are not comparable. Whittingham and Patterson's achievements at those schools
I'm not going to harp on this, but for accuracy, I think you mean Pac-12 and Big XII, respectively, correct?led them to getting brought in to the Big 12.
Well, I see you have it all 'figured out' then, eh?Malzahn did jack shit to get us to the Big 12. His biggest contribution is losing to us in the Peach Bowl.
Really?! You mean ...He was the best option available. He was a huge downgrade to the QBs we had been putting out there the previous 4 years.
So ... how's that work, since Gabriel went to OU, to follow an OC?! That's Gus' fault?!Gabriel leaving was inevitable when Malzahn was brought in, but that in itself speaks poorly of Malzahn. Hire a coach who could make it work, Malzahn couldn't.
Malzone is done.Really?! You mean ...
That offense worked pretty ****ing well, all while we didn't have defensive depth, and haven't since mid 2019.
- The QB that nearly won the AAC, and would have, had he been healthy?!
- The QB that kept us in 5 of our 6 losses last year, 5 within a score?
This is what I mean by 'selective.'
So ... how's that work, since Gabriel went to OU, to follow an OC?! That's Gus' fault?!
You really don't think things through, do you?!
That's just horrible. Wow! Just wow!
You seemingly work in a 6-18 month world. I work in a 5, 10 and 20 year world.I’m not even going to bother quoting all that, but…
-In what world are you living in where previous success at your job gets you fired quicker than someone without that previous success?
So ... making it to the title game, after not doing so in 2019, and 2020 being a combo cluster ... is not?!-Almost winning the AAC is not an accomplishment.
Let's remove the AAC Championship, even if we keep the bowl, for 1:1 purposes.Losing 5 games in our last year of the AAC heading into the Big 12 is not acceptable.
No, but it does mean we were competitive. And it didn't help our QB wasn't 100% many, if not most, of them.Losing close games is not an accomplishment.
He had a preason and 3 games dude. He redshirted and was out-the-door. He did it to Oklahoma as well.-Malzahn had a year with Gabriel.
And JRP was the solution. It worked pretty good.You can’t tell me there was no coach that could’ve possibly swayed Gabriel to stay. Milton didn’t follow Frost and they were tight as could be. You find a way to make it work, Malzahn didn’t. That’s the bottom line.
Ah, it's starting to make sense now. I was wondering why every time I checked in I would see a dozen more maniacal, confrontational, red-font posts from UCF-BS. Now I know -- He's anti-vax guy. Get my news from youtube guy, tin-foil-hat-wearing flat-earther guy. "No one listened to me in 2016, but at least no one died then, I'll bet they're listening now, hahahahahahaha!!!" Paranoid government conspiracy guy who thinks there's a chip implanted in his brain to monitor his thoughts because he does his own research. Finally, an explanation!I love how my posting history, out of fear of revisiting it, is called 'non-sense.' Same with vaccines or the Weimar Republic for that matter. You don't want to admit history.
Which means they should have been fired ... sooner! I.e., if they failed to 'make the jump,' shouldn't they have been 'fired?' And in their hindsight, today, I hear some TCU fans saying Patterson should have been!
I'm not going to harp on this, but for accuracy, I think you mean Pac-12 and Big XII, respectively, correct?
Well, I see you have it all 'figured out' then, eh?
Me? I'm devil's advocate. And I have a pretty good track record here. And when I'm wrong, I'll admit it. But I do love people saying I'm wrong, for being right. That just never stops making me smiled.
Yes, I'm glad a couple people are admitting their ill advice from almost a decade ago. That's nice to see. But it's only been a couple of people. Most people don't like it. And they really don't like it when I predict things ... based on history.
I mean, one of the reasons I became more of an a-hole 2021+ is because I was posting things from foremost medical journals, and I was utterally @$$-****ed by people around here, saying I was killing people. And no one has ****ing apologized to me, among a handful of others. Heck, some people have literally taken it off-board, and even when I left the board, they wouldn't ****ing stop ****ing with me ... even pissing on the graves of others.
Same in 2015, and even defending Milton in 2016, when I utterly chastized. But at least no one died in those cases.
So ... call me an idiot all you want, say it's 'non-sense.' I have my reasons. They tend to be history and the related hysteresis, not 'knee jerking,' like many do. Or at least they 'hope,' kinda like with the vaccines, but that turned out to be too much 'absolutism.' And we ****ed the economy long-term with it.
Give me something other than 'knee jerking' or 'hope.' Give me something more solid. And I'm sorry, but saying Gus has destroyed recruiting, or that Frost wasn't a run-first offense, is the exact opposite.
And I wear it like a badge, just like Rand Paul is anti-vax too, right? He was an idiot that was wrong about everything from Masks to the Economy, right? *Ah, it's starting to make sense now. I was wondering why I every time I checked in I would see a dozen more maniacal, confrontational, red-font posts from UCF-BS. Now I know -- He's anti-vax guy.
Yep, like the BMJ and NIH. They are crackpot too! And don't forget idiots like Dr. Kesselheim and Krause! How dare they know better than Pfizer's CEO!!! Glad the administration forced Dr. Krause out, and Gruber followed, and Kesselheim has the most 'hit pieces' about him now! Well deserved! *Get my news from youtube guy, tin-foil-hat-wearing flat-earther guy.
Seriously now ..."No one listened to me in 2016, but at least no one died then, I'll bet they're listening now, hahahahahahaha!!!"
No, not my own resesearch. I just post the authorities instead ... when I'm not an expert on a topic. But you keep believing that US Media and what investors tell Big Tech to focus on.Paranoid government conspiracy guy who thinks there's a chip implanted in his brain to monitor his thoughts because he does his own research. Finally, an explanation!
Sadly, I'd say we're ****ed in 3 ... and I don't mean UCFAA, Inc.Yeah, it seeming more and more like this fella is disturbed. I'll give him the W, and stop responding, because I feel like I'm heading into a dangerous rabbit hole here.
Good luck in your 20 year world.
If the team struggles against BYU, the student section will be on full display on ESPN for recruits and country to see.
I was just mentioning to a group that we were winning when Hippo kept Frost's play calling!Nice to see someone say that. Thank you. All I'm asking is for people to be realistic.
So ... yes, and no. Yes, with Brown being malleable, it's not a bad time to do it. But no, it's not going to change much, even with a new QB/OC.
I.e., doing so means restarting, and that means whomever we bring in, needs to keep much of Gus' playbook for 2025 to have a chance.
One thing Heupel did do correct is keep most of Frost's playbook. To change it would have really hurt 2018's chances. Heupel just brought in a few plays, some of which destroyed Pitt and others.
And how many times have we done it already? Then switched back?
We run a RPO, which means it's on the QB quite a bit. I'm just glad KJ isn't running it any more. He clearly did not have much practice with the team, and could not execute fast enough.
Brown very much does. Brown reminds me of JRP, only bigger and even faster!