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Obama wiretapped Trump Tower during election...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443768/obama-fisa-trump-wiretap

Here's a better article on the subject. There was a server in Trump Tower that metadata indicated it had communicated with two Russian banks. The FBI submitted a FISA request for surveillance in June and was denied, but then again submitted a narrower request in October and was granted. The findings have yet to be released. It's really easy to think this is politically motivated an abuse of power, but it seems that could be jumping to conclusions, as nothing has been made of it yet.
 
CommuterBob said:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443768/obama-fisa-trump-wiretap

Here's a better article on the subject. There was a server in Trump Tower that metadata indicated it had communicated with two Russian banks. The FBI submitted a FISA request for surveillance in June and was denied, but then again submitted a narrower request in October and was granted. The findings have yet to be released. It's really easy to think this is politically motivated an abuse of power, but it seems that could be jumping to conclusions, as nothing has been made of it yet.
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But this is a far less sexy headline than, "Obama tapped Donald Trump's Phones".....
 
I have little doubt that this is no more than a ploy to refocus the media and attention away from Sessions.

As much as Trump claims to hate the media....he needs and uses them to refocus attention repeatedly. This is going to be a long 4 years between the administration and the media playing tug-a-war.
 
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This topic is getting legs ..... Uh oh .....
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I have little doubt it was done, the questions are why and how long was it done for. There might have been good reason to start it but it would not surprise me at all if it went on longer than it should have.
 
Well lets just look at facts.

We know that the Obama Administration used the IRS to punish people and groups that disagreed with them.

We know the Justice Department refused to investigate the IRS.
We know that the IRS Senior people pled the fifth in front of Congress.
We know the AG met with Bill Clinton on a private plane during the investigation of his wife.

What we know of the past administration is they were not shy of using agencies to do their political work. Is it that far of a stretch to think that they would not use the intelligence community? This story has legs and you can tell it could be serious by just how far the left is reacting to it.
 
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There's a long writeup on Reddit showing the overall timeline of everything. It's presented with a right leaning slant and is probably TLDR but here you go:

Drawing on sources including the New York Times and the Washington Post, Levin described the case against Obama so far, based on what is already publicly known. The following is an expanded version of that case, including events that Levin did not mention specifically but are important to the overall timeline.
June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.
July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.
October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.
October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.
January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.
January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.
January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the exisentence of “a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.
February: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — then a private citizen — and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama’s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them. Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.
February: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites “four current and former American officials” in reporting that the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims — and the Times admits that there is “no evidence” of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.
March: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Post reports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign — once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions’s Senate office. The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions’s testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the “dossier” of ongoing contacts. The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House “rushed to preserve” intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By “preserve” it really means “disseminate”: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies “to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators” and perhaps the media as well.
In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.
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Personally, I think this is a "Correlation does not imply causation" type of issue but this has the potential to grow legs if additional information comes out.
 
And this is why I refuse to "belong" to any "party". The sycophancy going on right now is truly mind blowing. I would expect that the libs/Obama lovers would be lapdogs to their people; but, I'm continually befuddled by the lack of objective thinking being perpetrated by Trump's base. Just sit back for a minute and think rationally, rather than doing infinite body shots of the Kool Aid off of his naked, orange body. I understand that we're in a precedent-setting era with his [adolescent] use of social media; but, stand up and demand some freaking evidence once in a while rather than constantly nodding your head in agreement like a fvcking automaton. You all might as well be Miscavige-followers at this point - too blinded by your own obsequiousness to think like the intelligent human beings you really are. He said himself to "question everything", so why aren't you doing it?
 
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knights of UCF said:
im still waiting for evidence of the wide spread voter fraud trump claimed to have back in January. My guess is his evidence of this so-called wire tapping will also never materialize and he'll come out with a new conspiracy soon to distract everyone from this one.
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I'm still waiting on evidence for a large number of things from both sides but instead I get another sensational headline (with no evidence) that redirects the news cycle. It's as if it's a political battle of propaganda. The winner may not be truthful, just better at manipulation.
 
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Great2BAKnight2 said:
I'm still waiting on evidence for a large number of things from both sides but instead I get another sensational headline (with no evidence) that redirects the news cycle. It's as if it's a political battle of propaganda. The winner may not be truthful, just better at manipulation.
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That's exactly what is going on. The media has been going hard after Trump and running with fake news and click bait headlines. They took the last eight years off so they're trying to make up for it. Trump is just hitting back.
 
Great2BAKnight2 said:
I'm still waiting on evidence for a large number of things from both sides but instead I get another sensational headline (with no evidence) that redirects the news cycle. It's as if it's a political battle of propaganda. The winner may not be truthful, just better at manipulation.
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The American people deserve answers on very important issues.

Why did Trump turn down the opportunity to fill out a March Madness bracket for ESPN?
 
Bob the Knight said:
That's exactly what is going on. The media has been going hard after Trump and running with fake news and click bait headlines. They took the last eight years off so they're trying to make up for it. Trump is just hitting back.
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Who GAF? Trump won the primary and general elections IN SPITE OF the media, right? They're the "opposition party", so why continue to legitimize their work if your belief is that they're 100% wrong? He obviously doesn't need them and those that voted for him obviously don't believe what's been put out by the media for years. There's no such thing as bad publicity, so why give the media the time of day? Put your fvcking head down, STFU and do the things you said you were going to do. One of my criticisms of Trump during the primaries was that he couldn't stop being a petulant douche for two seconds to focus on the issues. Well, he certainly hasn't cut that crap out. It's funny, the right are the ones that when it comes to "stop and frisk" and "extreme vetting" that say "well, if you don't have anything to hide then you shouldn't care". Same holds true for the Comb-over in Chief - if he or his staff don't have anything to hide with respect to the Russia stuff, then just sit back and wait to laugh your asses off when the final report is released and it shows that it was all a big waste of time.
 
EweSeaEff said:
Who GAF? Trump won the primary and general elections IN SPITE OF the media, right? They're the "opposition party", so why continue to legitimize their work if your belief is that they're 100% wrong? He obviously doesn't need them and those that voted for him obviously don't believe what's been put out by the media for years. There's no such thing as bad publicity, so why give the media the time of day? Put your fvcking head down, STFU and do the things you said you were going to do. One of my criticisms of Trump during the primaries was that he couldn't stop being a petulant douche for two seconds to focus on the issues. Well, he certainly hasn't cut that crap out. It's funny, the right are the ones that when it comes to "stop and frisk" and "extreme vetting" that say "well, if you don't have anything to hide then you shouldn't care". Same holds true for the Comb-over in Chief - if he or his staff don't have anything to hide with respect to the Russia stuff, then just sit back and wait to laugh your asses off when the final report is released and it shows that it was all a big waste of time.
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He's acting like he did during the primary and election. He is doing what he said he'd do on the campaign trail. Why do you expect him to change and/or not follow through on his promises?
 
EweSeaEff said:
Who GAF? Trump won the primary and general elections IN SPITE OF the media, right? They're the "opposition party", so why continue to legitimize their work if your belief is that they're 100% wrong? He obviously doesn't need them and those that voted for him obviously don't believe what's been put out by the media for years. There's no such thing as bad publicity, so why give the media the time of day? Put your fvcking head down, STFU and do the things you said you were going to do. One of my criticisms of Trump during the primaries was that he couldn't stop being a petulant douche for two seconds to focus on the issues. Well, he certainly hasn't cut that crap out. It's funny, the right are the ones that when it comes to "stop and frisk" and "extreme vetting" that say "well, if you don't have anything to hide then you shouldn't care". Same holds true for the Comb-over in Chief - if he or his staff don't have anything to hide with respect to the Russia stuff, then just sit back and wait to laugh your asses off when the final report is released and it shows that it was all a big waste of time.
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When it comes to Russia and alleged ties, he has to respond otherwise he won't be able enact his foreign policy as it applies to Russia. Oddly enough, Trump's position on Russia is really just a continuation of Obama's policy so it's comical and sad to see the two party politics in action.
 
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KnighttimeJoe said:
TRUMP NEVER SAID OBAMA WIRETAPPED!!!

I kind of feel sorry for Spicer. He has to spin the crazy 24/7. But he gets paid to do it. Boob just mindlessly does it for free.
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Didn't you hear? they used the microwave as a camera to spy on him
 
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