Obama wiretapped Trump Tower during election...

[Sir Galahad]

One other note on Snopes, their main political fact checker is Kim Lacapria, a self described "open left leaning"liberal.
She trashed the Tea Party as teahadists She called Bill Clinton “one of our greatest” presidents. She claimed that conservatives only criticized Lena Dunham’s comparison of voting to sex because they “fear female agency."

She once wrote: “Like many GOP ideas about the poor, the panic about using food stamps for alcohol, pornography or guns seems to have been cut from whole cloth–or more likely, the ideas many have about the fantasy of poverty.”

Lacapria even accused the Bush administration of being “at least guilty of criminal negligience” in the September 11 attacks. (The future “fact-checker” offered no evidence to support her accusations.)

There are so many examples of her liberal beliefs that you can't take Snopes for anything more than an apology website for liberals.

 

[Sir Galahad]

She was commenting on a NY Times article that had been published the day before. That was the topic of discussion. She wasn't outlaying any new bombshell info.

Than HOW did she know there was "so much more" when she left the DOD in 2015 before the FISA warrants were even asked? It's simple Bob, she was not even at the DOD when Trump announced his run for the presidency so how or why was she so concerned about his staff, most of which were not even part of this staff before 2016?

 

[knights of UCF]

There are so many examples of her liberal beliefs that you can't take Snopes for anything more than an apology website for liberals.

why not use ur brain, read the citations and determine how true the claims are? Conservative sites or dailykos type sites never cite anything. At least Snopes or Politifact provide facts behind their determinations.

Thats the problem with partisan politics these days, people are too lazy to use their brains and just assume everyone on the other side is lying. We can't even agree which facts (or alternative facts) are right to begin with.

 

[bqknight]

Spicer's handling of this is laughable. The issue here is the WH seems completely incapable of handling anything correctly. If there is nothing to hide - if there is nothing there - why don't you just follow the process and let things play out? Then it's the media who will have egg on their face.

Instead - they're cutting corners, not following process and anytime they are caught, they get to play the..."it's all fake" card they do ANYTIME anything negative comes out about the WH.

It's a giant joke. Sorry if you're too blinded to see it.

 

[Sir Galahad]

why not use ur brain, read the citations and determine how true the claims are? Conservative sites or dailykos type sites never cite anything. At least Snopes or Politifact provide facts behind their determinations.

Thats the problem with partisan politics these days, people are too lazy to use their brains and just assume everyone on the other side is lying. We can't even agree which facts (or alternative facts) are right to begin with.

I don't give snopes any credit because they spin their answers. They look for reasons why liberals do or say things and spin it. The fact that they tried to spin the for Ms. Farkas tells me everything I need to know about snopes.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Spicer's handling of this is laughable. The issue here is the WH seems completely incapable of handling anything correctly. If there is nothing to hide - if there is nothing there - why don't you just follow the process and let things play out? Then it's the media who will have egg on their face.

Instead - they're cutting corners, not following process and anytime they are caught, they get to play the..."it's all fake" card they do ANYTIME anything negative comes out about the WH.

It's a giant joke. Sorry if you're too blinded to see it.

bq, go ahead and spin it. Tell me that Ms. Farkas comments on MSNBC two days before Trump said Obama was wiretapping him is not the proof he was right?

 

[bqknight]

bq, go ahead and spin it. Tell me that Ms. Farkas comments on MSNBC two days before Trump said Obama was wiretapping him is not the proof he was right?

That has NOTHING to do what I wrote in my post. I said the WH hasn't been handling it right - even if there is nothing.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Spicer's handling of this is laughable. The issue here is the WH seems completely incapable of handling anything correctly. If there is nothing to hide - if there is nothing there - why don't you just follow the process and let things play out? Then it's the media who will have egg on their face.

Instead - they're cutting corners, not following process and anytime they are caught, they get to play the..."it's all fake" card they do ANYTIME anything negative comes out about the WH.

It's a giant joke. Sorry if you're too blinded to see it.

Do you have anything specific you're talking about? I hear a Spicer PC a few times a week when I'm in the car and all I ever hear is the media yelling at him and asking the same baited lib questions over and over. It was quite different when Earnest was in there, rarely ever a serious question and when there was the media lapped up the prepared answer without even a rebuttal.

 

[CommuterBob]

I don't give snopes any credit because they spin their answers. They look for reasons why liberals do or say things and spin it. The fact that they tried to spin the for Ms. Farkas tells me everything I need to know about snopes.

Everybody spins to some degree, including the right. Which is why you need to keep an open mind and look at a number of sources. Snopes at least publishes theirs.

I can't speak for this lady's motives exactly, but she did flat out deny she had been given any information. She was clearly taken out of context by the right wingers and best as I can tell the "there has to be more" comment was in the context of knowing how the intelligence community gathers data and what they usually get from such an operation.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Everybody spins to some degree, including the right. Which is why you need to keep an open mind and look at a number of sources. Snopes at least publishes theirs.

I can't speak for this lady's motives exactly, but she did flat out deny she had been given any information. She was clearly taken out of context by the right wingers and best as I can tell the "there has to be more" comment was in the context of knowing how the intelligence community gathers data and what they usually get from such an operation.

Bob, you're smarter than that. She said she knew there was more, that is obvious. She is toast, this isn't an Obama justice department.

 

[Poolside Knight]

 

[CommuterBob]

Bob, you're smarter than that. She said she knew there was more, that is obvious. She is toast, this isn't an Obama justice department.

You're parsing her words. You need to look at the context of the conversation.

 

[CommuterBob]

 

[chemmie]

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"Left wing activists"
LOL.

The house of cards is about to fall, hard. Thanks for the laughs, Trumpettes.

 

[Great2BAKnight2]

"Left wing activists"
LOL.

The house of cards is about to fall, hard. Thanks for the laughs, Trumpettes.

Just curious. What about this news makes you think it's significant? What house of cards?

 

[knights of UCF]

dems and repubs just came out and said the stuff nunes looked at didn't point to obama or rice doing anything unusual or illegal. Nunes needs to apologize immediately and should probably consider resigning to be honest. Trump needs to figure out that info wars and fox news aren't his best source for intelligence information lol.

Yet another outlandish claim by trump still yet to be proven. Imagine if any other prez in history had trumps track record for blatantly lying or peddling conspiracy theories with zero evidence?

 

[fabknight]

Imagine if any other prez in history had trumps track record for blatantly lying ?

 

[UCFWayne]

Its like he was born yesterday.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Soooo...about those tapped wires. We are just going to pretend like that didn't happen?

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

It did happen. Susan Rice admitted to it. It's still being investigated whether it was legitimate spying or not.

 

[knights of UCF]

Soooo...about those tapped wires. We are just going to pretend like that didn't happen?

its like the 3 million illegal voters, just stuck in a alternate reality of fake news from our president

 

[knights of UCF]

It did happen. Susan Rice admitted to it. It's still being investigated whether it was legitimate spying or not.

fake news -- remember when trump said rice committed illegal act and that in the next week its going to be a massive story, the biggest story ever.

Its been two weeks and.....

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...thing-wrong-say-both-dems-republicans-n747406

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

fake news -- remember when trump said rice committed illegal act and that in the next week its going to be a massive story, the biggest story ever.

Its been two weeks and.....

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...thing-wrong-say-both-dems-republicans-n747406

Don't confuse boob with facts.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Don't confuse boob with facts.

According to you opinions are facts as long as you agree with them...

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

fake news -- remember when trump said rice committed illegal act and that in the next week its going to be a massive story, the biggest story ever.

Its been two weeks and.....

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...thing-wrong-say-both-dems-republicans-n747406

More anonymous sources that don't want to stand behind their quotes.

When the investigation is complete and the report is released we'll know what happened.

 

[knights of UCF]

More anonymous sources that don't want to stand behind their quotes.

When the investigation is complete and the report is released we'll know what happened.

trump is king of zero sources at all (worse than anonymous sources). He just spouts conspiracy theories and then acts like they never happened a few weeks later when no evidence is provided.

Funny how you and other conservatives just ignore that trump said 3mil illegals voted and evidence would come out "within the next few weeks" but still believe every conspiracy he puts out.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

trump is king of zero sources at all (worse than anonymous sources). He just spouts conspiracy theories and then acts like they never happened a few weeks later when no evidence is provided.

Funny how you and other conservatives just ignore that trump said 3mil illegals voted and evidence would come out "within the next few weeks" but still believe every conspiracy he puts out.

I am more willing to believe what people say when they put their name after it unlike anonymous quotes and leaks. There is evidence that Trump and/or his surrogates were being spied on. Rice admitted to that even after lying about it for a couple months. They are investigating and hopefully we can get the truth.

I've called Trump an idiot on more than one occasion for saying dumb shit. Keep that broad brush going though.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

According to you opinions are facts as long as you agree with them...

Um, you're confusing me with Omni.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

More anonymous sources that don't want to stand behind their quotes.

When the investigation is complete and the report is released we'll know what happened.

And we'll see that it was nothing but a fake event from the amazing mind of the orange raccoon.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

And we'll see that it was nothing but a fake event from the amazing mind of the orange raccoon.

It's not a fake event. Susan Rice already said she was spying on people in the Trump campaign/transition team. I guess she could be lying again though.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

H

It's not a fake event. Susan Rice already said she was spying on people in the Trump campaign/transition team. I guess she could be lying again though.

FAKE!!! SAD!!!

 

[knights of UCF]

I am more willing to believe what people say when they put their name after it unlike anonymous quotes and leaks. There is evidence that Trump and/or his surrogates were being spied on. Rice admitted to that even after lying about it for a couple months. They are investigating and hopefully we can get the truth.

I've called Trump an idiot on more than one occasion for saying dumb shit. Keep that broad brush going though.

bob you are a few weeks behind in the news cycle. The evidence you are wishing for never developed and susan rice has already been cleared of any wrongdoing (see my link provided above) by both dems and repubs.

I'll believe anonymous sources over zero sources/evidence --which is what trump has provided to date about pretty much every outlandish claim hes made including this one.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

bob you are a few weeks behind in the news cycle. The evidence you are wishing for never developed and susan rice has already been cleared of any wrongdoing (see my link provided above) by both dems and repubs.

I'll believe anonymous sources over zero sources/evidence --which is what trump has provided to date about pretty much every outlandish claim hes made including this one.

For the 4th or 5th time, the article you linked is nothing, it's the definition of FAKE NEWS!!!. It has one anonymous Dem that saw the classified info and one anonymous Rep aid that does not know anything about the classified intel. If there was really nothing in what was reviewed Dems would be screaming from the hill tops. Instead you have two anonymous sources, one of which would not even have access to the information being reviewed. The last Rice quote is great too, insinuating the Trump people she spied on were trying to sell information or bombs to enemies, lol.

Susan Rice has in no way been cleared, the investigation is still ongoing. Again, I can't stress this enough, if there was really nothing there Dems would be releasing everything to prove Trump wrong. Instead, there is silence except from one anonymous source.

 

[knights of UCF]

For the 4th or 5th time, the article you linked is nothing, it's the definition of FAKE NEWS!!!. It has one anonymous Dem that saw the classified info and one anonymous Rep aid that does not know anything about the classified intel. If there was really nothing in what was reviewed Dems would be screaming from the hill tops. Instead you have two anonymous sources, one of which would not even have access to the information being reviewed. The last Rice quote is great too, insinuating the Trump people she spied on were trying to sell information or bombs to enemies, lol.

Susan Rice has in no way been cleared, the investigation is still ongoing. Again, I can't stress this enough, if there was really nothing there Dems would be releasing everything to prove Trump wrong. Instead, there is silence except from one anonymous source.

couldn't the same be said the other way though? Ever since trump claimed wire tapping there has been zero evidence to support? If there was evidence wouldn't repubs be screaming it from the hilltops rather than having secret meetings and then recusing themselves from the investigation?

What we know: Trump made outlandish claim -- looks like no evidence to back it up. Head of the investigation (nunes) lied and later recused himself from the investigation.

Once the results of the investigation come out (already been leaked) Susan rice will be cleared. All the while trump will just make another conspiracy theory claim to turn everyone's attention from this one.

This whole conspiracy theory is the definition of FAKE NEWS!!! an outlandish claim with no basis in reality and no evidence to support like many of his other conspiracies:

3 mil illegals voting, obama founding ISIS, obama not being american, Ted Cruz father being with lee harvey oswald, global warming is a chinese hoax, 30-34million illegal immigrants in the states, thousands of people in NJ celebrating the twin towers attack, etc.)

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Susan Rice admitted to spying on the Trump team after lying about it for months. How is that not evidence? Why was she lying about it?
What did Nunes lie about?
Why did Susan Rice unmask the names of Trump surrogates?

So what we do know -
Trump accused Obama of "wiretapping".
Susan Rice did "wiretap" and lied about it for months.
Nunes found evidence of "wiretapping" and passed that along to the press and Trump.
An investigation was started after Dems and Reps on the committee reviewed the info.

 

[NinjaKnight]

couldn't the same be said the other way though? Ever since trump claimed wire tapping there has been zero evidence to support? If there was evidence wouldn't repubs be screaming it from the hilltops rather than having secret meetings and then recusing themselves from the investigation?

What we know: Trump made outlandish claim -- looks like no evidence to back it up. Head of the investigation (nunes) lied and later recused himself from the investigation.

Once the results of the investigation come out (already been leaked) Susan rice will be cleared. All the while trump will just make another conspiracy theory claim to turn everyone's attention from this one.

This whole conspiracy theory is the definition of FAKE NEWS!!! an outlandish claim with no basis in reality and no evidence to support like many of his other conspiracies:

3 mil illegals voting, obama founding ISIS, obama not being american, Ted Cruz father being with lee harvey oswald, global warming is a chinese hoax, 30-34million illegal immigrants in the states, thousands of people in NJ celebrating the twin towers attack, etc.)

Nailed it.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

couldn't the same be said the other way though? Ever since trump claimed wire tapping there has been zero evidence to support? If there was evidence wouldn't repubs be screaming it from the hilltops rather than having secret meetings and then recusing themselves from the investigation?

What we know: Trump made outlandish claim -- looks like no evidence to back it up. Head of the investigation (nunes) lied and later recused himself from the investigation.

Once the results of the investigation come out (already been leaked) Susan rice will be cleared. All the while trump will just make another conspiracy theory claim to turn everyone's attention from this one.

This whole conspiracy theory is the definition of FAKE NEWS!!! an outlandish claim with no basis in reality and no evidence to support like many of his other conspiracies:

3 mil illegals voting, obama founding ISIS, obama not being american, Ted Cruz father being with lee harvey oswald, global warming is a chinese hoax, 30-34million illegal immigrants in the states, thousands of people in NJ celebrating the twin towers attack, etc.)

Very good. The orange raccoon has been pulling shit out of his ass for years. This wiretapping fake shit is just another in a long line from his dream world.

 

[Ace of Knights]

Just ignore Bob. Once upon a time he was against Trump but he's been pushed so far to the right and into pure lunacy that anything even resembling the truth brought to him by someone other than another right leaner is FAKE NEWS!! He's not interested in the truth he's interested in one side winning above all else.

 

[btbones]

I don't uphold everything trump says or does and have serious doubts about this . But to say that it has already been 100% proven false is the same as Trump pulling things out of his ass

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Just ignore Bob. Once upon a time he was against Trump but he's been pushed so far to the right and into pure lunacy that anything even resembling the truth brought to him by someone other than another right leaner is FAKE NEWS!! He's not interested in the truth he's interested in one side winning above all else.

Lol, Jeb and Marco are further right than Trump and I supported them first. I more anti-Dem than I am pro-Trump.