The ultimate insult will be when the Congress sets aside tens of millions to Afghanistan for foreign aid.
Remember that time we left Afghanistan
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I am confused.
Are we to be mad because they have to pay $2,000 or because they don’t have to pay?
BTW, I think intel showed Biden the same information they showed Trump: we were never going to be able to exit Afghanistan without it collapsing. Looks like both (or their minders) got to the sane conclusion.
going back to US citizens in Afg, they knew the US was leaving (supposed to be in May), WTF were they waiting for?
Are we to be mad because they have to pay $2,000 or because they don’t have to pay?
BTW, I think intel showed Biden the same information they showed Trump: we were never going to be able to exit Afghanistan without it collapsing. Looks like both (or their minders) got to the sane conclusion.
going back to US citizens in Afg, they knew the US was leaving (supposed to be in May), WTF were they waiting for?
It's called air support...enemies hate that.
Once Biden pulled that away, Taliban went full steam ahead.
It's funny how much China doesn't care, as long as they get their oil and resources.
Here's the thing ...
I really don't hold Biden totally responsible for either Afghanistan or the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic. What I -- and most Americans are -- holding Biden responsible for, is the messaging that is pure garbage, misinformation, deflection and blame at everyone else.
He made promises in his campaign, and when they didn't come true, instead of 'resetting expectations' and telling us 'what we should hear,' even if we disagree ... he's doing the aforementioned instead. And it's pissing off everyone, even all but the most loyal on the left, and even the US Media.
He's being as bad as Trump, possibly worse, because many times -- even if he had trouble understanding his advisors and screwed up in repeating it -- Trump was telling us what we should hear, and not what we wanted to hear, even though the US Media demonized it when it was right (as much as when he was wrong).
This is an extremely poor look for the administration.
I really don't hold Biden totally responsible for either Afghanistan or the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic. What I -- and most Americans are -- holding Biden responsible for, is the messaging that is pure garbage, misinformation, deflection and blame at everyone else.
He made promises in his campaign, and when they didn't come true, instead of 'resetting expectations' and telling us 'what we should hear,' even if we disagree ... he's doing the aforementioned instead. And it's pissing off everyone, even all but the most loyal on the left, and even the US Media.
He's being as bad as Trump, possibly worse, because many times -- even if he had trouble understanding his advisors and screwed up in repeating it -- Trump was telling us what we should hear, and not what we wanted to hear, even though the US Media demonized it when it was right (as much as when he was wrong).
This is an extremely poor look for the administration.
Not all contractors were intended to leave. A large part of the US fighting force in Afghanistan (possibly more than half) are private military contractors (mercenaries). So while we removed the troops for publicity reasons, many American contractors were to remain and assist the Afghan government and military in an ongoing role beyond the US military withdrawal. The US notified personnel in April of the pending withdrawal and told non essential personnel to leave the country. It didn’t sneak up on anyone. Those who remained had faith that they would have continuing roles in support of a hypothetical Afghan democratic state. That crumbled quickly and this is the fallout we are all seeing now.
Indeed. The anti-Trump, Trump hates China, messaging prevented the 'pressure' that was required from being applied until the late spring. This whole thing has been a complete messaging nightmare where people who were correct, even Trump in many regards, where censored or called stupid by the left.
And because the left did that, many on the right was pushing pro-vax in the hope -- as the left had lied -- about the mRNA vaccines significantly reducing the spread.
Yeah, this may be Biden's biggest issue with his own party, as well as allies, as well as a lot. This happened a lot faster than Vietnam.
I actually have to agree with this, in general ...
PMCs are in another category. PMCs that 'get into trouble' aren't always 'rescued' by US military personnel. Benghazi is a perfect, recent example, especially when working for the CIA and, as a by-product, State.
Of course, there are caveats to this too ...
In the case of Benghazi, they were protecting State personnel, even at the original compound (part of the reason why State, let alone CIA, didn't want the PMCs to leave), and the RoE there was supposed to be that the US military protects them. Even US agreements with Libya allowed such, but State screwed it up ... bad. The CIA 'walked out' on State over the 'talking points,' and that said everything ... it was a 'CYA' game, and they knew it.
Hence all the questions of why US forces in Italy, let alone the US had 50 ships, including 2 carrier groups (Enterprise and Eisenhower), all within support and direct striking range. There is a reason why no one likes Hillary on foreign policy, she's more 'America [knows better] first' (and gets people into wars) than Trump.
So what promises were given to PMCs in Afghanistan for support, let alone Afghani v. American contracts, who paid, etc... is all added considerations.
But that's the same argument with Vietnam. But Vietnam went on for just under 2 years more. This crumbled a lot faster, only 4-6 months, and ...
A lot of that has to do with Biden's engagement and messaging. One of the reasons the Taliban started violating certain agreements is because the Biden administration violated them first. If anything, Trump had very good advisors and secretaries, not just Mattis (totally owned ISIL), but others with and even after Mattis.
Biden's foreign policy has been utterly smacked around by objective Americans and most non-American analysts, but Afghanistan is the latest that even got the apologists and US Media to note.
Even in Iran, Biden has taken an even more 'hardliner stance' than Trump, which is pissing off Germany who is utterly dependent on foreign energy more than anyone else even close to their size in the EU. France is heavily nuclear, while Germany shut down all theirs, or are in the process and they are not producing power.
Germany is like California on the 'Sierra Club-like stupidity-level' of self-defeating energy policy. Although California takes the cake in costs as it's totally government and special-interst driven (the storage architecture is just dead special interest, 10x the cost, 1/10th the effectiveness), whereas Germany actually is trying to get the market to do things, and that will eventually result in less foreign dependency over 2030-2040.
Are you going to BDS all 4 years or will it die down at some point?As everything melts a live look into Biden on vacation. Imagine in August 2021 and supporting this regime.
Biden's 'free passes' are almost up. He's been a chronic f'up on both energy and foreign policy.
The second he asked OPEC to increase production, not only did everyone from the economics to the military itself start to question, but the lawsuits from the energy market started hitting.
Biden has repeatedly violated the law/treaties in many cases, all out of popularism, and often looked worse than Trump. He deserves everything he gets.
Pretty amazing to watch, though very sad. 1 year ago Trump had destroyed the Taliban and they controlled 1/3 of one city in Afghanistan. With 7 months of Biden, they They have taken over the entire country.
From total victory to total waste of effort in less than a year.
From total victory to total waste of effort in less than a year.
Then he is a MORON. If the Taliban “controlled 1/3 of one city”, why did he sign a treaty saying we were leaving in May?
Other than the Border, it's really not her job unless tasked.
Trump tasked Pence with far more.
Didn't Biden task her with the border issues? She go out there yet, seriously I got no idea.
I am sick of these fake concerns and crocodile tears from Republicans, Americans, and the media.
- American service members killed in Afghanistan through April: 2,448.
- U.S. contractors: 3,846.
- Afghan national military and police: 66,000.
- Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states 1,144.
- Afghan civilians: 47,245.
- Taliban and other opposition fighters: 51,191.
- Aid workers: 444.
- Journalists: 72.
The part you are leaving out is Trump signed an agreement with the Taliban to be out of Afghanistan within 14 months from the Feb 29, 2020 signing. The Taliban offensive began at the expiration of this peace agreement.
Trump already had a plan to pull us out of Afghanistan and Biden simply followed his plan. As 4 the Taliban, they arent dumb. They simply WAITED for is to leave. We spent $83 billion giving weapons to and training the Afghan army and they didnt even put up a fight. Do you really think 2500 soldiers would have made a difference? What is your gripe? Do you think we should have stayed in Afghanistan? Quit crying snowflake and be happy we will no longer WASTE anymore money or lose anymore AMERICAN LIVES at that place.
What about us Libertarians that questioned this within weeks after 9/11?
Just saying.
Does anybody have a lie counter going for Biden like they did for Trump? Seems like we would have to be in the hundreds by now.
The part YOU conveniently leave out is that the vast majority of Americans (you included) wanted to get the hell out of there. I argued with you and your buddies here that we should maintain a presence. But if Trump was still Prez, those Afghan soldiers would have stayed firm and our evacuation would have been easy-peasy, right?
Happy 4 year anniversary
Yet another reminder that we as a nation have seriously failed when the best we can come up with for the last two presidents are washed-up almost 80-year olds who are far too stupid to run a country.
yet we still got a few in here defending this administration while Joe Biden is literally lying to people's faces about Americans being beaten. Meanwhile in other news this week the FBI said there was not substantial evidence that the attacks on the Capitol were an organized insurrection. Rough week for the libs.Wonderful. The 10th century Taliban mocking us, taunting us and wearing our gear
Not sure why the Libs can’t just take the L with Biden. They didn’t like Trump not being presidential, the Tweets, handling of the pandemic and the “insurrection.”
However, most have said straight out that Biden wasn’t going to be a good president, so why defend him? He hasn’t done ANYTHING good for the United States which goes with his track record. Honestly, BIDEN may go down as the worst president ever when all is said and done.
Honestly, a new Amendment should be passed for the presidential age to be 40-70. Maybe even 65. I would not want a 35 year-old to be president nowadays and the job is too rigorous for anyone over 70. I liked some of Trump’s ideas, but he’s done as wellOf course he will. He has no cognitive function.
Afghanistan is going to haunt him, because it’s never going away. It’s going to get WORSE
the Media won't let him sink below their impressions of Trump.
However, I will say I never saw the media turning on him just 8 months in and it sure seems like that is happening.
Can't wait for the 25th amendment articles on WaPo or NYT.
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